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shokaiFri 15-Feb-02 07:06 PM
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#4548, "Clarifications, Advice, and maybe even a witty remark..."


  

          



I'm glad to see you're a recovering cheater, stick with the recovery plan..it makes the game a lot more enjoyable on both sides of the coin. One bit of advice I'll drop before I move on to some explanations of questions down below...(and Nicolette's post says pretty much what I'm going to)...with me, at least, redemption is always an option. There have only been like one or two people who have screwed up IC so badly that redemption was probably next to impossible. Redemption is never easy, but 99.9% of the time, it is possible...point of fact, some of my favorite characters I've interacted with are those who slipped up and then used that as a rp tool and worked themselves back to good. I refer you to two such cases: Nicolette and Selfren. (there have been many others, but these two stick in my head at the moment)


Now for some explanation of the word 'greed' when applied to Paladins...I'm not about to give anyone a formula here, so don't expect much. It all comes down to common sense....if you doubt your own common sense, then by all means...don't play a paladin.
Gathering gear is fine, building a very nice set of eq is fine....storing enough extras in your inventory that you could equip every paladin that stepped into the guild for three hours...is VERY bad.

In most cases, yes, you would recieve a warning before being unempowered. However, Ruairc (take this as advice by the way, since I'm not trying to publicly berate you or anything) wasn't exactly the most pious or virtous of paladins...so I figured instead of warning, I'd use the unempowerment as a warning. The thing that kinda irked me more than the greed factor was the fact that most of the gear-gathering ended up getting a groupmate or two whacked in the process...and that didn't jive well with what a Shokai paladin should be doing. So it was something of a double (or triple, depending on your viewpoint) whammy.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with your next character Ruairc...and if you do play another paladin, don't think in terms of "must kick people's ass!"...instead think in terms of "must make people think...'wow, there was a cool as hell paladin'". One thing I hate is hearing people (players and imms) grumble and mutter about how much goodies suck, and when I ask why, I hear 'because no one plays them correctly....they're just as bad as evils'. It's disheartening when that becomes the case.

  

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HOT Topic(DEL) <None> Ruairc the Callous Guide, Obsessed by Gree... [View all] , Death_Angel, Thu 14-Feb-02 11:24 PM
Reply Good paladins, bad paladins, immortals and such things, Tom (Guest) (Guest), 16-Feb-02 09:25 AM, #26
Reply RE: Good paladins, bad paladins, immortals and such thi..., shokai, 17-Feb-02 02:47 AM, #47
Reply Shokai you cheater., Xanthrailles, 18-Feb-02 01:46 AM, #60
     Reply RE: Shokai you cheater., Falstaff, 20-Feb-02 04:59 PM, #75
Reply I don't even know why I'm bothering., nepenthe, 17-Feb-02 03:21 AM, #50
Reply and when a smugger assassinated you, you deleted! haha ..., Arolin (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 06:21 PM, #59
     Reply Heh. No., nepenthe, 18-Feb-02 11:04 AM, #62
Reply oww man.., Shinomori (Guest), 22-Feb-02 02:05 AM, #77
Reply Clarifications, Advice, and maybe even a witty remark....., shokai, 15-Feb-02 07:06 PM #22
Reply RE: Clarifications, Advice, and maybe even a witty rema..., uncle bob (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 07:40 PM, #23
Reply More clarifications, important topic included., JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 12:06 AM, #24
     Reply RE: More clarifications, important topic included., Nicolette (Guest) (Guest), 16-Feb-02 02:44 AM, #25
     Reply RE: More clarifications, important topic included., JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 01:07 PM, #30
          Reply RE: More clarifications, important topic included., ORB, 16-Feb-02 02:41 PM, #31
               Reply Your simple-minded conclusion doesn't convince me., JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 03:02 PM, #32
                    Reply It was your conculsion not mine, read your first post a..., ORB, 16-Feb-02 03:36 PM, #33
                         Reply I'm almost out of piss, when does the contest end?, JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 04:17 PM, #34
     Reply Did I say you were a gear hoarder?, shokai, 16-Feb-02 09:07 PM, #39
          Reply Cool, a response!, JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 10:17 PM, #42
          Reply and another!, shokai, 17-Feb-02 12:28 AM, #43
               Reply RE: and another!, Isildur (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 01:19 AM, #44
          Reply A small question for Yourself and Nepenthe., Xanthrailles, 18-Feb-02 01:50 AM, #61
Reply RE: (DEL) <None> Ruairc the Callous Guide, Obsessed by ..., Nydeikon (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 04:36 PM, #20
Reply We could have been Greed-Brothers!, Albaszn (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 03:39 PM, #14
Reply Clarification..., Isildur (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 09:33 AM, #10
Reply Consider it clarified..., Boldereth, 15-Feb-02 10:00 AM, #11
     Reply RE: Consider it clarified..., Isildur (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 03:59 PM, #15
          Reply RE: Consider it clarified..., Nicolette (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 04:21 PM, #17
          Reply This was my warning., JAH (Guest), 15-Feb-02 04:34 PM, #18
          Reply Oh, another thing..., JAH (Guest), 15-Feb-02 04:36 PM, #19
               Reply RE: Oh, another thing..., ArChaos (Guest) (Guest), 16-Feb-02 11:02 AM, #27
                    Reply RE: Oh, another thing..., Valguarnera, 16-Feb-02 12:00 PM, #28
                         Reply My bitter or ArChaos's?, JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 12:38 PM, #29
                         Reply How odd, I thought something was here just a second ago..., JAH (Guest), 16-Feb-02 07:30 PM, #35
                         Reply RE: How odd, I thought something was here just a second..., Valguarnera, 16-Feb-02 08:54 PM, #37
                         Reply RE: Oh, another thing..., Aubrey (Guest) (Guest), 16-Feb-02 08:54 PM, #36
                         Reply RE: Oh, another thing..., Valguarnera, 16-Feb-02 08:57 PM, #38
                         Reply Aubrey...shut up., shokai, 16-Feb-02 09:20 PM, #40
                         Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., A newbie (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 03:40 AM, #51
                         Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., Heh (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 01:47 PM, #63
                         Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., Aubrey (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 06:01 PM, #67
                              Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., Isildur, 18-Feb-02 06:09 PM, #68
                              Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., Valguarnera, 18-Feb-02 06:57 PM, #70
                              Reply Hmmm, DwE (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 10:50 PM, #72
                              Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., Falstaff, 20-Feb-02 10:21 AM, #74
                              Reply RE: Aubrey...shut up., Wemnar, 19-Feb-02 06:37 AM, #73
                              Reply Compulsive lie much?, nepenthe, 18-Feb-02 06:52 PM, #69
                         Reply Wake up!, Strohm (Guest) (Guest), 16-Feb-02 10:14 PM, #41
                              Reply Gotta respond to this..., Isildur (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 01:42 AM, #45
                              Reply RE: Gotta respond to this..., Valguarnera, 17-Feb-02 02:10 AM, #46
                                   Reply RE: Gotta respond to this..., Isildur, 17-Feb-02 03:01 AM, #48
                                   Reply RE: Gotta respond to this..., Valguarnera, 17-Feb-02 05:58 AM, #52
                                   Reply To Brotmin, Valg and Isildur., Strohm (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 06:09 AM, #53
                                        Reply RE: To Brotmin, Valg and Isildur., Isildur (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 10:41 AM, #55
                                        Reply RE: To Brotmin, Valg and Isildur., JAH (Guest), 17-Feb-02 01:30 PM, #56
                                        Reply RE: To Brotmin, Valg and Isildur., Falstaff, 20-Feb-02 05:22 PM, #76
                                        Reply I'd drop you a post that might encourage you, incognito, 17-Feb-02 03:04 PM, #57
                              Reply Cabal corruption, Brotmin, 17-Feb-02 03:20 AM, #49
                              Reply That goes for me too., Warborf (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 02:14 PM, #64
                              Reply Strohm I feel so sorry for you., Goapa (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 03:00 PM, #65
                                   Reply Well, Strohm (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 03:57 PM, #66
                         Reply Yes, but leika had an immortal in the past, haha, nothi..., Smugger (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 05:37 PM, #58
Reply RE: (DEL) <None> Ruairc the Callous Guide, Obsessed by ..., Thornheart (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 07:05 AM, #8
Reply but I'd have to say that you were well rounded when I s..., JAH (Guest), 15-Feb-02 02:39 PM, #12
Reply Well Sorry to see you go ya got me most of the way let ..., Salezan (Guest) (Guest), 14-Feb-02 11:51 PM, #3
Reply Damn was I greedy., JAH (Guest), 14-Feb-02 11:50 PM, #2
     Reply Oh yeah, my favorite round..., JAH (Guest), 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM, #1
     Reply Forgot me eh? heh, Ajoul (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 12:21 AM, #4
     Reply You bastard! And I thought it was Enbuergo all along....., JAH (Guest), 15-Feb-02 12:24 AM, #5
     Reply RE: Damn was I greedy., nepenthe, 15-Feb-02 02:59 AM, #6
     Reply RE: Damn was I greedy., ORB, 15-Feb-02 03:41 AM, #7
          Reply good paladins counted on one hand, jasmin (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 02:54 PM, #13
     Reply well, I didn't mind dying the FIRST time, Daurwyn (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 07:59 AM, #9
     Reply Callous? Greedy?, Anborankein (Guest) (Guest), 15-Feb-02 04:16 PM, #16
     Reply Thanks, JAH (Guest), 15-Feb-02 04:39 PM, #21
     Reply Considering your remark., Sancella (Guest) (Guest), 17-Feb-02 10:26 AM, #54
     Reply RE: Damn was I greedy., Fristapholin (Guest) (Guest), 18-Feb-02 08:56 PM, #71
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