I figured you must have played an invoker before as you knew a few tricks I didn't.. actually you knew a hell of a lot I didn't, thanks for showing me all that stuff. I remember Hashok, I think I traded a troll amulet for five-color mail to you. I still miss logging on and having fun, especially when I saw that Scions were causing so much trouble Outlanders look like they are on the upswing also... oh well.. a well played transmuter good luck on your next one.