Tue Aug 21 21:24:23 2007

At 5 o'clock AM, Day of the Moon, 28th of the Month of Winter
on the Theran calendar Vhloughvang perished, never to return.

Edimus - I really thought your char was a bad ass. Always was worried whe n you were around. That one time in hamsah you caused the down fall of like 5 ragers at once. Good job all around

Kanaev - Scary dude for real. You proved just how nasty Evil conji¡¦s could be. Though I though that ¡§fear¡¨ was #### since it basically went off every fight with in the first 2-4 rounds and left you helpless a lot of the time even with COURAGE edge It cannot take away from the badassness of your char. GREAT JOB.

Criles ¡V Didn¡¦t see much of you, flat or not heh.

Sekhuroth ¡V Where did you go towards the end ? great char then poof

Zentril ¡V Nasty over all. Just a huge roadblock in the way of raiding or walking down eastern heh. A Great char and a great foe.

Laviter ¡V Ehh¡K Wish I saw more of you.. From what I got good stuff but I was feeling wanting not getting to mix it up too much with you.

Salvrazzar ¡V I had you saved for goodbyes but I forget who you were ƒ¼ I am sorry

Drezen ¡V You were a hard ass plain and simple. Give yourself more credit. 26 and 3 or something against ragers, wouldn¡¦t leave me upset with deathblow especially when they left my things. Also on a side note¡K if you don¡¦t want a subpar dressed rager to call blood on you there is a few things to avoid. 1) being the leader of the cabal sworn to use magic to destroy the world. 2) do not cast on them in combat because if you do you are not a warrior you¡¦re a mage 3) do not maledict them to the point they cant hold a weapon. *** 3) does not apply to you so much but the other too do for sure.

Rettis ¡V ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS A THORN in my side .. I hated you with a passion¡K I guess that means you did damn well!

Ravon - Wow you were a dirty dirty dog. Lashes was quite possiably the most powerful thing ever implemented in cf. But not on its own. With Slavemaster, with a nice whip, with good skill % and with a nasty unholy that is. Again that¡¦s all your doing so good work, but OUCH¡K 6 hits demoralize lag and drop your weapon all with 2 round lag for the user !? WOWIZERS

GREAT work.

Vic I already hit you up with goodbyes I think.. so those are what they are...

Vhloughvang, I played Shalif, and I thank you for the compliment. I tried my best, and we had some nice fights. Ended up with roughly equal ratio. Sadly I kind of have to agree, that you were not a really good sport. While your roleplay was probably excellent (never saw much of it, since I was on the opposing side), to me cf is primarily a PK game, and I hold sportsmanship to a high value. I am not the kind of guy who complains about rager gangs, but then again I like ragers being nice after ganging me, instead of looting me to the pies. Anyways, your char was real buff, and you deserve muchos respect for it.


On the other hand, I honestly think you recieved an unfair amount of credit. While yours was deserved, I think longevity vs. excelent performance is preferred too much. Example:

http://www.qhcf.net/cforum/logs/vpost.pl?55344

A log of me fending off 4 raiding ragers solo, w/o preps. Not three, four.

And the imm comments I get for fairly constantly pulling things like these off:
http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=31&topic_id=5561&mesg_id=5572&page=

When on the other hand, Vhloughvang gets 4k exp for killing 2 out of 3 raiders, at the D, which is arguably the best place to defend.


I am one of those dudes who always feels cheated when I read my imm comments. One of the main reasons (I hope ) is that I tend to play very short spanned characters, I have 4-5 weeks to play, and I use it to play a 300 hours char. I am sure there are others like me, who feel equally cheated. So, I would ask you, cf imms to at least consider working towards rewarding characters equally according to merits instead of the intirely humane reaction of preferance of long duration characters over flames that burn bright and quick.

Again, I am not saying Vhloughvang did now deserve his rewards, but I think a huge amount of players/characters (not necessarily mine) have a justified reason to feel kind of cheated and bitter.

That's ridiculous.

Even Hunsobo, with 200+ more hours, had only 22k. Can I change my sphere to follow Iunna and Ysaloerye so I can load up on the imm exp? Seriously.

There is such a disparity.

Izhulin. 600 hours. Only 2500 imm exp. Equal pks. Equal(ish) roleplay, at least from my perspective. I mean, what's the difference in GL playing GL and CD playing CD? They're both just roleplaying themselves. Equal amount of gafus. Equal amount of poor decision making or loose 'roleplay' decisions. Equal respect from the playerbase.

Hunsobo validates his imm exp. Doughboy doesn't. Way too high. Izhulin doesn't, either. Too low.

Your opinion will be given the consideration it deserves.

It's ok, I know you'd rather throw out a backhanded compliment than agree with me even though you do in fact agree, for the most part, with me. No one expects the United Immortal Front to admit that, hey, one of us went a bit overboard and it's too late to do anything about it.

Reminds me of something my boss told me once.. Your raise will become effective as soon as you do.




Cheers,
Jhyrb

I would say simply this. Look at the imm comments.
He has a role that was 3 chapters and pretty good.
I put in 9 chapters and won role contests.
He also had some pretty negative comments from some imms.
I think the worst comment on mine was "four villagers doing other things besides raiding gave em some fire to go raid from big D" type comment. There is 2-3 comments about me taking it solo to groups or defending like crazy and 2-3 comments about him multi killing weak people. Thats another difference with Pk #'s too I dont think I multi killed anyone like that

I think he prob deserved more then 3k exp but to say we were equal in the eyes of the imm's doesnt seem to add up. Sure some of the playerbase was unimpressed with me, some hate me, some hate all my chars. But alot of people who auctually interacted with the char didnt, and I would say that this was far from Kragathain RP. Ok, so my spelling and grammar sucks... Thats not RP. Both were ragers for totally differnt reasons, both were svirfs but one who char was dedicated to not being a svirf at all just being a runt abomination.

I am not saying I am better at this then anyone, but I think to say that we both deserved the same after those comments is not really accurate in my opinion(which is of course slightly jaded )

>There is 2-3 comments about me taking it
>solo to groups or defending like crazy and 2-3 comments about
>him multi killing weak people. Thats another difference with
>Pk #'s too I dont think I multi killed anyone like that

That's a fair point in general, actually, although I don't think Vhloughvang got XP for this kind of thing from me specifically?

One of the things we hand XP out for is play in a way that's disadvantageous to the character/player but generally good for the game.

Being able to raid Fortress as a Tribunal and 5 on 1 gang Scribes who have never won a PK in their life is its own reward, such as it is. There's no need for us to put a carrot out there to try to encourage it. Taking big risks when other people would avoid a fight or quit out, on the other hand, does.

nt

If you can dig up that log of our fight in front of the Fortress (Zunza was with you at the time), I'd greatly appreciate it.

I generally avoided you at all times for various, harmless reasons, but as that was likely my first and only interaction with you (30 mins long, at the least), I can only draw my conclusions about Vhlough from that.

I got about 9k worth of pages in word of logs. I will see what I can come up with. Though I dont know if I will be posting anything as I would like to stay off Dio's because its just a flame fest. Anyway majorty of the hard core dio-goers dont wana see them I would assume.

If I find it I will try to hit your email or something

Vhloughvang will be my last ride with CF. Thanks to everyone who made it worth while. I am sorry to anyone who is glad I am leaving, but I don’t especially care if your glad I am gone or feel relief or whatever so please do not bother trolling the goodbye threads (thank you but you can bring that #### to the other forums that is made for it)

I rolled Vhloughvang a long, long time ago and have been playing him as my only char since day one. Rolled up in November 2006 I believe around the 20th of November. Anyway Long story short It has been a long, long, long time with this char and a few times I have had things come up. Moving from home to school from school back to home and from home to my new apartment all cut into playing times. I would venture to say there was 1 full month in that time that I could not play at all due to connections maybe even a month and a half but I had, at those times always made sure I got on at least as much as I could with my printed out list of villager names and apps with checks on them with the numbers of recos and from who and ect. I think my longest dormant point was 14-16 days in a row which was moving from school to home and home to new apartment in one foul swoop. I apologize to everyone who got “shafted due to that.” I must say however that I put 600 hours on this char. Broken down on a ROUGH SCALE that’s 9-9.5 months. If we round up and say 31 days a month that’s 279 days. Take out one month for inability to play that’s 240 hours lets say. Now stretch it that’s still like 2 and a half still like 2 and a half hour’s a day. Granted there was times where I would be on for 7 hours straight and days I would not play at all but my point is that I put as much time as I could in to this char and I tried to make sure I kept tabs on everyone I could. Towards the end I asked brink and pretty much expected him to handle any inductions that he saw fit. The imm’s also helped with some peeps that were around when I was not for whatever reason but I had inducted a ton of villagers in my time. I also tried to make inductions something new and cool. Some of you like that others hated it. I am not sorry trying to mix it up. This build was designed to see how far I could push something that I know I am good at. People complain that oh its GL’s 20th svirf rager!! Well I have played 3. Wiglaf, Kragathian and now Vhloughvang. Vhloughvang was not RP’ed a svirf at all though and I only feel sorry for people who think that because I fail to use spell check and grammar check before I send tells to people that “its all the same as his last chars”. Those people need to remember that they are only one very small part of cf, and they are easily ignored. I Hope people realize too how pathetic they sound claiming I am an IMM or I know any Imms or I sleep with Imms or that I pay them off for my rewards. Vloughs role was not designed to be buddy buddy with foes and explain myself. As a player, I will let my PFB explain my char. What I am not happy with is a lot of the tweaking that went on mid char for me. That was just the luck of the draw. I do think however there would be far far more cries of unfair!! If the anti striking edge never came in and Armor changes never came in. Those too changes (in my own experience) nerfed my chars legacy’s hard.
I wont complain though. I had fun playing for the most part, there was some mortals who basically do everything they could to make CF not fun. Some succeeded a good deal others just got flat ignored. Again you cant say the player base is #### based on it though because there are a lot of really good players among the few spoiled rotten eggs.
I am not sorry about anything, nor do I care enough to read flames. So please keep them to yourself.
Thanks.
Oh and as for my village policies, I kept them pretty simple.
1. All magi and anyone who is part of a cabal that is led by magi are foes.
2. all zerkers are bound to the tablet before all else
3. you follow the code of the village or face the consequences
4. if you take the circle the argument ends there if you take it with the commander and lose, your hut is forfeit.

I did 4 because I do not want a village of wana be tough guys who don’t listen to orders. It’s a village with a leader not a free for all. If you don’t like it tough #### sorry. Don’t think you can walk up to a general in the army and kick him in the nuts and have him pat you on the back, you will be killed and buried as a casualty of war.

Imms.

Twist: Thanks for the cool ending. Thank you for letting me finish the legacy and so on. Also thanks for that little fun we had with you stealing and me impaling and you holding me underwater and all that. Interactions like that make a char come to life. The Echos in the end were great and thanks for all that as well. It has always been awesome getting to leave something behind. Thank you.

Kasty: Ahhh Kasty ƒº sometimes I knew you were watching and I just had to smile. Other times I knew you were busy and I had to smile anyway. The Events are always fun, and the talks in your shrine. I think that was you with the whole dreams thing but I don¡¦t even know its been so long. Shame with the sappers never making it, I think the idea we came up with was pretty freaking awesome. Even with the minor um entry problems it might have induced haha. I hope I didn¡¦t disappoint you in anyway with Leadership, I know we had few emails back and forth when I moved into my own place and was stuck playing on a on telenet at the girlfriends house which sucked. Hope the muckraking of the few doesn¡¦t murder my shots for the pillar. (after all, who had made twist bleed?? Hahah)
Thanks for everything as usual.

Yean: wow, I tried to play it off like my visions and everything had me knowing you were guna Imm. I actually really wanted you to. Mortal life was so much more fun though. I know you been crazy with the responsibly stuff now but it was damn good drinking with you the one or two times we had just chilling out and reminiscing about the older times. Our whole first crew passed except me and brink and I really lost a lot of drive with the char. It took me a week or so and I think I got right back into it. Hope I didn¡¦t let you down heh. It was always good times, and I am sure I will be chatting with you again in the future. I still hate you cus I have yet to pull off a worth while battle bard. ƒº

Ysal: you dirty hoe!! ƒº hahah, I was always trying to check in to see how the numbers were doing. Some times I would get the no induct more vibe sometimes I would get the cut some lose threads vibe. Sometimes I would get the hells do what you want to vibe. I love how your slowly inch by inch taking up the ¡§thror, the hardass dwarf role¡¨. Its def needed in the village at times. Sorry you had to step in that one time with that dip#### defender. I was pretty sure I would be able to pull it off in the long run but I was stunned and couldn¡¦t say or do anything to let you know I could handle it. Again great times all around and I am guna miss ya.

Nep: Thanks for digging the role, and if you had anything to do with the whole realization thing and aftermath. That was pretty freaking sweet heh people on the CB were bugging out cus I was going insane and attacking everyone around me. Not sure if that was you but thanks for taking the time to consider the role anyway. Also Thanks for Cabdru, its as simple as that.

Iunna: AHHH you¡K you you you¡K I will never forgive you for finding out that Brink got your tat so quickly while I had been having 4-5 meetings with you and doing lessons and studying and fighting and heh, well I guess I cant complain hahaha ƒº You were crazy fun to interact with. Sorry about the hunter that time hahah but you said bring a knife. Hahaha I tried to work my role into a lot of how we interacted. Sorry you were chosen as #2 and not the final master but at the time I thought Grurk was going to remain active and had hoped to take him on as #3. I think it had more to do with me never actually interacting with you before with any chars so I was nervous that it might turn out to be a dead end. Wow was I wrong ƒº haha I cant say enough about how awesome the whole experience was. Thank you for everything.

Grurk: you son of a !!! hahah damn. Sad to see you go. Would have been some good times had I been able to run the last part with you. Our first fight was sick and I had hoped to be able to use that for a stepping stone. Good luck with all the RL stuff and if you even get a chance to read this no hard feelings at all ļ thanks for the fight on the death mount and for making me feel like a bad ass that day heh.

Zesam: Congrats Nexties sure could use you, not to take away from anyone but its always sweet having a hero Imm to knock stuff around with. You were one PAIN IN THE ASS as a mort. I mean that in a huge compliment way. Sorry if we never really got to play out the talks as much as I know some of the other nexian leaders had but I hope you at least got some enjoyment out of our bouts.

Anyone behind the scenes: of anything that went on Thank you guys so much.
Seriously if the imm had not been as cool as they are. I would have left a long time before now¡K

I hope I didn¡¦t forget anyone that really I should not have ƒº If I did sorry.

>Kasty: Ahhh Kasty ƒº sometimes I knew you were watching and I just had to smile. Other times I knew you were busy and I had to smile anyway. The Events are always fun, and the talks in your shrine. I think that was you with the whole dreams thing but I don¡¦t even know its been so long. Shame with the sappers never making it, I think the idea we came up with was pretty freaking awesome. Even with the minor um entry problems it might have induced haha. I hope I didn¡¦t disappoint you in anyway with Leadership, I know we had few emails back and forth when I moved into my own place and was stuck playing on a on telenet at the girlfriends house which sucked. Hope the muckraking of the few doesn¡¦t murder my shots for the pillar. (after all, who had made twist bleed?? Hahah) Thanks for everything as usual.

Well, it's about time! Man, you were leader for a long time. I felt that you did a fine job; you weren't always on, but you were very forthcoming with letting us know when you wouldn't be around, so I always knew you'd be back. And when you were on, you did a very solid job as Commander. I gave you plenty of rope, knowing that you were good enough to know how far you should let the Village go. Overall, I was definitely not disappointed.

No doubt you were a tough PKer...surprisingly enough, I don't think I gave you anything extra that didn't come with just being Commander. I also watched plenty of your fights, both from a mortal and Immortal perspective. I did notice that you occasionally let your frustrations come through when you lost; you were also pretty quick to blame yourself when your actions led to the defeat. I think, to some folks, that might have come across more as you stealing "credit" for a good kill on their part. Basically saying "You didn't kill me, the only reason I died was because I made a mistake." even though they had done an excellent job of whooping up on you. I chalk that up to human nature more than anything else, and only point it out because I think that sort of reaction might be what annoyed people about you from a PK perspective.

I agree with Nep that you were consistently solid over the entire course of your character's life...far, far more on your RP game than off. I'm glad you enjoyed the character, and I'm glad you enjoyed your time on CF. I totally understand RL taking priority - step back gracefully from the game and make a classy exit. If you do get the bug again, we'll be here.

As for the watchtower...I still like the idea. It might happen, but I can't help thinking that, as currently envisioned, it has some holes that I'll need to identify and plug before it would go live.

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I would agree with the fustrations thing. I know was def a weak point on this char a few times. It def was a problem with somefoes as for god knows what the reason they got under, or I let them get under my skin way too deep. I do apologize for that, I hope It didnt taint the char as far as some people claim.
Thanks for giving me alot of rope, I tryed not to hang my self or hang anyone else too much but I also had a goal of giving alot of people a shot that prob shouldnt have had one. I think that this was good for CF but bad in a reflection of me. We had alot of people who had no idea how to choose there path in the village or how the veil worked. I am glad I got them involved in things for the most part. There were a few bad eggs but for the most part they either got the boot or just stopped showing up. Also for 3-4 months straight everyone complained about how the village was so stuck in a rut, so I tryed to make inductions more hands on and less memorize the past. I hope that didnt get misconstreued in my change of induct style. Some people liked it some people hated it. Change is always good and bad. Thanks for everything, with Vhloug, and with alot of my other chars.

Oh and if I can be so bold...
Any idea if the sappers are guna be making some new cuts?

I liked your fate rp..and you made it work out real good too. Drinking and chilling with you was a blast. You were one of the very few people left that I ran around with as a mort, so it felt nice that you lasted as long as you did. I do remember some of the crazy #### we did as mortals..Whistlewood for one(uhm, that was you wasn't it? With Eulinda and me)..and I believe I ran with some of your past chars too. Those I encountered, including Vhlough, were all awesome in my book. Good times, I definitely had fun with your char, as a mort and heroimm both!

RAGERS:

So many of you, please don¡¦t hang me for forgetting anyone.

Thrak ¡V You were a maniac, BALLS OUT. It was good times.

Golanth- You big ####er, You were a lot of fun traveling with, always cool checking out someone with some talent with some new perks or class stuff. We has some funny times with skeletons while I was helping you guys get ranked up heh. That time we snared EVERYONE in the village was ####ing classic. It was like 9v3 then it turned into a slaughter house haha good times.

Drak ¡V ahh man, you were my hommie way way back. I missed you damn good after you were gone. Hope you had fun while it lasted.

Taelina ¡V I cannot say enough about it. ST was crazy fun and at the same time nerve racking. Hahah Taelina points up to the sky and cringes. Hahah my only regret with this char is trying to get a drillmaster and captain position placed back in the village and saying brink for drillmaster and you for captain cus the captain thing got shot down and I feel like I really ####ed you. I am sorry friend.. I hope I made it up to you somehow.

Eulinda ¡V you SOB I shouldn¡¦t have mangled with you in the Kasty competition so early but I was just trying to make it fair and have no real alliances. Also I figured go after the toughest bastard first. That was you. Your RP was ill received by some but from our side I found it refreshing. Sorry though I could not make power puff a drillmistress. Hope you forgive me one day.

Nharrpos ¡V You were a huge bad ass always great to have you around and you always made raiding the damn nexians a lot easier .. hope you had fun with the char. Sorry your PT dropped in the end.

Pesh ¡V Dude, you were great. I know you didn¡¦t like me all that much but the RP was so on edge I never knew what to do with you. You have had one of the best RP¡¦s for that build I have ever seen. Thank you for the interactions. I am a huge fan.

Fhaen --- You really grew on me. You were always ready to mix it up. That was cool

Kaasi --- Not sure what happened. Hope you had fun.

Brody --- I hate you for giving up, but It seemed like you were having more frustration with the char then pleasure so I don¡¦t blame you, my Battle bard was like that too

Brinknum ¡V I don¡¦t need to say a word. Some of the funniest things ever like the big talk with Hunso and the imp trying to start #### and us causing havoc. Wow, I know your time is closing in. Enjoy it man. I also know you edged me out on the PK list too but not by much, and only in the very end I think. Heh at least by the tabs I was keeping. See you in the fields brother

Malavar --- Sorry you dropped through the cracks, wanted to see what more you could pull off.

Abulin ¡V I don¡¦t have anything to say to you.

Rakror --- you were a tough bastard we would gather things like madd haha good times always.

Chamois --- the name I could never get over heh sorry bout that. But it was only after a bunch of muckrakers dragged it all over the forums ƒ¼ sorry for that.

Feiaina --- You deserved a lot more I think. Great char all around Sorry things didn¡¦t pan out as well as they should of.

Maantis --- didn¡¦t see enough of you really, always seemed to be ready to mix it up though.

Mcgrok --- You sodding land lubber hahha. I was a HUGE FAN. I loved the pirate RP anyone who got offended or cried about you using all CAPS is petty and didn¡¦t deserve interaction. GREAT JOB

Bogba ¡V you were a big oaf !! damn I wish we got more ass kicking in before it was over.

Nvranjol ¡V you were such a tough tank for mobs, shame you didn¡¦t have as much fun with the char as It looked like you were.

Nathus ¡V I always liked you, not sure why but there was always something about your presence that was unnerving but as the same time you felt it was good heh. Hope you had fun.

Khadrun !! haha you fat faced beast haha what couldn¡¦t we take down huh ??

Yudran solid zerker all around

Roklem hahaha you beast. Always loved mixing it up with you around

Istilion I loved the RP. I know sometimes I busted your #### about keeping the village before the gods but I loved the RP great job.

Zalfazyk --- what happened to you ??

Luden --- you were one of the best scouts in the village hands down ļ

Bayanil and bsobek you two were such dedicated defenders I was always glad to have you guys log in on our side¡K true devotion to our kin

Jiachaii ¡V you drunk bastard.. I laughed out loud so many times it was stupid when I was walking about with you some days. Keep it up man. You Rock

Armonk ¡V Hands down one of my top 5 favorite villagers in my chars career *and your competeing with some pretty big names** you were a stand up villager all around. Thank you for being a good friend.

Dejebi ¡V our times were ####ty for matchups but you seem pretty solid and I always had my peeps watching you ƒº

Awk ¡V not sure what the hell you were thinking challenging for leader ship. I would thank twist if I were you, for your hut. Sorry but you wouldn¡¦t have stood a chance from what I have seen in logs, and as was my policy anyone who goes circle with commander and loses is walking from the village till they learn to cull there pride. Good luck with the rest of the char though; glad it didn¡¦t turn out real sour in the end.

I never really saw any of the negatives people are pasting on you - I always thought you were up for an adventure, and willing to tangle it up with anyone. I appreciate you thinking that I didn't get as much as I deserved. I would have liked to get Veteran status, but I really didn't need it. I'm not a kid anymore, so I don't let that kind of stuff bother me much - especially since I know there are times when I can't log on as much as I'd like (which is one of the reasons I deleted).

I always thought you were a bit too nice with letting people into Battle. Some days I'd log in and see 5 or so new people... and then never see them again. But I will say, you did give people a shot who might never have had a Battle char with a more strict commander.

Towards the end of Feiaina's life I never really saw you around much, but then again, neither was I. But I did know if you and Brink were around, there was sure to be some fun going on.

Glad you and I could have some fun duels - I sure did whoop you

I could complain about you. Heck, we could complain about every character.

But! I thought you played out V's life really well and it was a benefit having you as a Villager and leader (for the most part). You had great understanding of real life conflicting with CF, you played a great berserker, had an enjoyable attitude, and it's a shame you think you might retire.

Here's to hoping you come back in a few weeks. : )

Take care!

The Forsaken

Vhlo was a tough char and opponent to many. I really liked your RP and what not, but my only wish was that I had seen you more. Oh well, we play when we can right. Personally my times are cut down pretty bad with all the crap going on in my RL right now, but that should all shake down in a few weeks. Anyway, good job again!

Dejebi

Sorry I didn't get around to this sooner. Thanks for the comment on Istilion. I think you did a great job as leader, I never saw too many of the bad things people talk about. I won't get into any of that though. You did a fine job all around, leader, RP, PK. You were always up for a fight, and weren't afraid to eat a death. I enjoyed you a whole lot as with Ulthinius and Aelisoc when you were Krag, and a whole lot as Eled and Istilion when you were Vhlough. You and Brink were awesome for the Village. Also the last two from that very impressive crew that Eled had the honor of being a part of. Like I said to Gerylanst, I'm back in a couple days and need someone competent to offset my PKing, or lack thereof. Don't leave the game. It's the internet, create a new persona, stay off the forums, and just play the game, I think we need players like you. Anyway, hope to see you on the pillar as well with my next, and if you don't come back, good luck with the real world.

> Mcgrok --- You sodding land lubber hahha. I was a HUGE FAN. I loved the pirate RP anyone who got offended or cried about you using all CAPS is petty and didn¡¦t deserve interaction. GREAT JOB

Thanks for the induction and all... Too bad I never got to hero mcgrok (as usual)... Thought you did a good job. Your name cracked me up. Honestly.. admit that it was minotaur speech for "blow wang". Anyway hope to see you back one day (i'll be back once i get my life in order)

cheers
/M

I was not really challenging you, since we didnt mesh alot you dont understand the humor in this char. But its ok, Ive interacted with you over several chars within Vhloughvangs time and with Kragathian as well. I just think your style is very transparent and thats what people latch on to. Saw some pretty crappy things looting wise and some RP. If you do cf I hope you enjoy it but I feel like alot of what you do is to please the imms take it as constructive criticism, good luck with life.

Heh, I am sorry I missed that. I am also sorry our times didn't mesh so much. I think what makes it more transparent is my ####ty tendicy to post current char stuff. That is a huge reason why I do not read/post on Dio's anymore. Looting wise not sure what your talking about, I think I tryed hard to leave alot of things alot of the time. I dont think I full looted anyone really even though some people I wanted to full sac. I wont be comming back to CF I do not think, but I will also say I dont think I ever did anything for the Imm's. I write roles and act the way I do because I enjoy that aspect of cf as much as I enjoy the pk. I dont think I have played a mindless pk player in about 5 years. Every char I have had in the last 2-3 years has had Roles, even if they were not implimented text input in the game they were written out or outlined and I tryed to stick with it. Sometimes the playerbase gets the better of ya and with this char there was sometimes which that def did happen but I am pretty positive that it was kept directed to the same 4-5 people that have always been that way.

Good luck with everything.

But I cant read or understand half of what you have typed.

Empire

Hunso ¡V Don¡¦t think I need to say anything more then I already have. Great char thanks for being a bad ass. Wish we had a few more face to faces in our prime. No love lost ƒº


Thos ¡V I don¡¦t think we saw very good things from eachother. Few times I was like this dudes a chump, then you started whipping serious rager ass and I was like ok this guys got skills. It was obvious that you know CF and that you can roll with the big dogs. What happened to ya you fell off the face of thera ?


Seriistian ¡V Wow, bad ass shadow then poof anathema ? what happened. I chose one of my edges for you and you alone ƒº


Ahiviln ¡V Great char, creepy and powerful.

Shalif ¡V Where did you go ?? you were always trouble then just stopped being around.


Ktaar ¡V You managed to get me after I saw you step out twice¡K Do you have the luck edge ?!?!! hahah You were always in the back of my head I seemed to always know when you were there but I couldn¡¦t shake you.

Siilthlyzrin ¡V Good char from what I gathered, Wish I had more interaction with you.





Draktel ¡V Never much got to mix it up with you I don¡¦t think, or cant remember. From what I seen you were quality though ƒº

Vezrith - You were a beast. At first I was like who the hell is this guy, then I was like ok I see you prep for fight asap and be ready to impale!! Haha gooood brawls and great char over all.

Kharghurln ¡V I don¡¦t think anything needs to be said. Great Char, and AWSOME fights we had 1v1 a few times I left your weapon but a few times I just didn¡¦t want to see another beast like Cabdru ƒº sorry for that.

Waserax - Great char, well played you were so F¡¦in slippery at times and so dark and creepy at others. I never knew what was up with you, weather to expect attack or try to jump the gun and hit ya or what.

Tribunals:

Kholav- I never wanted the first war but I was def not going to stand idle while you and 5 other tribunal come with scion empire nexus ect ect to “get criminals”. When you put your self in the wars expect war to come of it. I told you a few times I didn’t want to keep at it with tribunal and I didn’t. War with tribunal had no place in my role or the direction I was trying to take the village. Sorry that we just didn’t get through to each other in a way RP could have worked out. I just found you to be completely unapproachable when our times did match up.

Taqutin – You were a beast.

Nuloh – I am very sorry for the way things turned out for us. Basically everything that happened between us was bitter and annoying for both of us. I really Wish that neither of us ever interacted in the first place. You talked so much #### it was out of control, I must have done the same, Then ooc #### starts flying and I posted a log of you acting like a wanker in my opinion and me acting like a wanker in your opinion. I wish I never had and I feel that it was the start to a huge negative hit for both chars. After you were gone and I read your PBF it was obvious there was a lot of #### I did not see. More the reason I just gave up on trying to justify #### on Dio’s. The place is a sewer. As for me brink and that other little fella killing you. You had like 100 charges and there was no way in hell a single village would have been able to take you out unless you basically gift wrapped it. You nearly killed two of us in that bit and you even had a chance to get away but you worded instead of teleported. The single and only point of that was to take you down and get your weapon. Sorry but no villager leader or otherwise wants or can justify letting another Cabdru walk around.

Maethron- I wish we had more RP and less silence from eachtoher. I basically hated you because you were the knock out steal all your #### run away type and were damn good at it. Also I think your traps were so F’in powerful it was retarted. I remember having like -38 dex for 44 hours or something at one point. I wish you would have tried to interact more then just say “you started it” at the second war. You were leader but never spoke out as one and the magi were running the spire. Again I hope there is no real hard feelings.

Izuhlzin – I bitched you out one day cus you would always complain about villagers just fighting cus were bored. I was told at the time that you had summoned and locked ragers in all the time and you had done so that time too, you didn’t bother to explain that it had nothing to do with you, I understand role wise why could you be bothered reasoning with a brute. And when I found out that the village who was stuck was ####ting me about how he got stuck I chewed his ass out for a good while. Sorry about that.

Everyone else in tribunal: I don’t have anything to say. For the most part it was just painful listening to the rants about how villagers were attacking you for no reason. When I would explain why, it wasn’t good enough and the pestering would continue, 90% of you would show up with massive gangs and full loot every chance you could too. Then flip out for a hour if you got killed and Other people took your stuff, half the time it was your own “allies” who looted your corpses but somehow It was always my fault...
Sorry you guys feel that way.

I was killed by an Outlander shapeshifter just minutes before Battle Raided with them and it was me and Neh on.

The only one I recall being pretty interactive was Xinrithil.
Besides that there was one annyoning fella who got me after a fight with Hunso/Khar I forget which but I was pretty mangled and he sealed it. After that I think he never faught me again but over all I heard good things about the char so I brushed off all the #### talking.


Xinrithil-- You simply were one Class Act. Great char I only wish we could of done more in hell heh. Time constraints suck. Great char. Good luck with everything.

Linaeren-- Great char as well, just stand up all around

I liked your gruff demeanor and the sense that you knew your way around the park. It would have been nice to have spent more time with you, but our lives didn't interesect often enough. Come back when and if it feels good for you to do so.

Niheriva --- Love hate man, Love hate. Loved you, your char, your RP, and your guts. Hated you wacking ragers left and right with me standing there telling you I was guna kick yer butt if you did it again hahaha. I always knew you were pickin off evils left and right by the village and I respected you for standing up to me when I would make threats. A few times I just had to protect the kids though and Layed a spear into you. As we both knew through tons of talks and stuff that we prob never would get a kill if we faught even a thousand times. Great char all and all. Hope my "keep it up and yer a dead man" attitude wasnt too over the top. I tryed to keep it at a angle you could push your role and we could still throw some jibs back and forth but it was fun not trash like some people do. Hope I kept that line with you, as you were one of the people who could seemingly dish it out and take it all within RP and have fun. Good luck with the char.


Nilian -- Good char all in all.

Enarn -- you were ANNOYING!!! in a bad ass transmuter that is always in the right place at the WRONG time kindaway. Great char. I hated you (as I should have) with a passion.

Hrudgir -- we had a few good talks and were mostly very civil towards eachother.

Mendecirith --- Great char, good work all around.

Niela --- Never saw you much without a huge group but thats what I would expect with a fort voker.

Soayel -- I hate healers You did a fine job keeping your friends alive.

This time around in the fort I was really determined not to be on a semi-war footing with outlander and battle. It so often happens and IMHO shouldnt. The people who see team fortbattleoutlander have obviously never played any of the three.

Vlough seemed much better than my experiences with your former chars, so good on you. It was obviously you, but the things I didn't like in Kragathain etc I didnt see in Vlough nearly as much. You also didn't #### talk as much as you seemed to with priors, which was nice. Good luck on the pillar!

Tsyda: GREAT CHAR.. Always a pain in the ass. Fighting you at the inners was DREADFULL. Solid all around.


Nanorab: My favorite nexian by far. Your RP was great, you were a mean mother while fighting, and I always had to watch my ass super close while you were around. I dont know how many times I was just waiting for the assassinate with Entwine ready hoping to catch you but it was alot. That one time you caught me I thought I was going down but I ended up just barely beating you. We had some SICK SICK Fights. I got tons of logs too. Maybe I will post them on officals log or something.


Tumarellen: Wow, I was a huge fan. You were a GREAT char, and TONS TONS OF PROPS I really cant say anything more then damn good job.


Zesam: Check the imm's goodbye

Xilia: Annoying as all hell, but doing exactly what you should. Nice work, keep it up.

Random shifters there were so many of you its hard to keep track of who is who and who had what forms and so on. All of you made things very difficult with your inners being so F'in nasty. For the most part the shifters were pretty cool.

Ranger Cave dude - I forgot your name but I felt bad that you got hosed so many times in your own enviroment. As you said though, I was the only one who could beat you down there so I hope that didnt burn to bad You drifted off though, wish you had stuck around.

Random warriors: for most part alot of you were speed bumps one on one. There def was exceptions to that rule and no matter what all of you got tough as hell when bonded with pretty much anyone.

I know I forgot alot of Nexties. Sorry

I liked Vhloughvang alot, of course you had plenty of shortcomings but those pale in comparison to what you did right, and ultimately that is why I see you as rewarded as you are and what the trollers are complaining about. I must admit some things in your PBF make me say 'what the?' but that doesn't detract from my very favorable impression of this character. This impression was solidified after the great courtesy you showed me after the Clam Bake. Ultimately a great character and at the very least, he sure has people talking.

--Tsyda, aka Quezzumpliet, aka NastyPope

Will forever go down as my favorite memory in CF. Not because of the gang, not because of how insanely funny that you were basically indestructable in that form, and not because we finally like what 6 of us got you... but because you showed in that 10 mins exactly what some people will do in there char's mindset. You reverted and saved a member of the nexus who was undoubtedly going to die with out your help. You could have saved your self, you could have done nothing and both of you would die, but instead you saved your friend and ally, knowing it ment death for you. That had to hurt as a player saying ohhh this is guna be ugly... revert;c 'word' friend;cringe;wake... shakehead healer;CB well you owe me one! haha

I pretty much tryed to do anything I mix it up with you and keep interacting with you, because you were the type of char that was just a great addition to cf.

You will forever be rememberd clambake

I really would of impaled and killed anyone who tryed looting #### from you after that... but I would venture to say the villagers at that time were a damn good bunch of guys and gals and all felt the exact way I did.

Coolest. Altruistic. Move. Eva.

Yhorian

I thought Vhloughvang was kick-ass. Loved the actions more-so than the speech, of course....But damn. You were awesome.
I was fine with the whole "you have many weapon skills"-thing, as it fit you and you probably deserved it. You were the Commander of the Ragers for IMM's sake, you better be a good fighter.
You kicked my ass all the time, and all over Thera, and I loved every moment of it.
Not to mention, that whole not taking all from my corpse was nice.

Lastly, and once again, kick-ass character.

Didnt mean to short you on the lovin... You were one of the only chars that would consistantly mix it up and not just in the wave of nexus crushing style . I think we had some sick battles and I repsected you alot thats why I hardly ever took anything. I for the most part tryed to steer away from taking anything from alot of people unless I knew for certain it would change the veil (even then I didnt like doing it cus that change lasts for like 5 mins) or it was replaceable... ie wands.

Sorry I shorted you, by all means you deserve madd props

Was that your brother?

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=34699

Well having been around Wiglaf Krag and Yvonne Vhloulovoung (obscure tennis ref) for many moons I will say kudos. Definitely improvements on many sides, grammar and spelling aside *fistshake* I think you did a great job setting and playing your role, yeah ok some minor floofies along the way, but on the whole a damn solid char from all that I saw.
As for that "intellectually challenged" lad and the whole circle thing, I was already getting set to smack him before the circle challenge. If he had fought it straight up I might have pulled back, even if he had done as he was told when I said enough, it might still just have been a severe dressing down, but no-one sasses the Biddy, especially when she's in a foul mood (ie sober). So while you could have probably won the fight I just wasn't prepared to stand there all day.

Anyway, as Kasty said, when you are ready, we will be here.

as I said in my good bye you did a really cool interview with me, perhaps my second most memorable. The first being when kasty vised for an app asked him why he wanted to join the village, then when i was halfway through typing my answer, Kastellyn says, 'Oh my you have killed a lot of mages!' you have been inducted.

For vhlough I fought against you and with you and I think you did a good job. Your def getting better and this is a huge improvement over your previous svirf villager in terms of pk fighting and role play. I am kinda curious as to how you got so many spec skills, I think it was cool you did I wonder the backstory though.

Next time try and just step down from leadership, you left the cabal unatended for far far too long I think.

You were def a good pal to have around for some head splitting. I was always wondering what you would get mixed up in next. As for you killing mages, you were damn good at that haha. As for Spec Skills and stuff It wasnt anything that people are claiming. Last count I had six specs, five legacys, all the edges in the game, two leader weapons and + 5 in stats to max, I also slept with Nepth, and his wife and child and I am Zulgs Bastard son. None of which is true. I dont think any of the speculation anyone had was correct at all in the numbers. I did have some perks, but nothing that was insane, and some of them auctually made things harder haha

I am looking back and I think I might have forgotten you on the RAGERS goodbye, which is silly because you def were a big part of Vhloughs character for a while.

Good luck with everything, sorry if you felt gyped with me leader. take care buddy

I really didn't see anything special about this character, in fact, I saw many things that really made me dislike this character.

I remember killing you and then bleeding to death, then you looting me. Glad you're dead.

I'll wait 'til he's posted to comment, though.

I saw a lot of ugly stuff with this guy too.

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That the cocky/bitchy player behind the character leaked through quite a bit. You pretty much had a Graatch syndrome about arguing and not just wanting but NEEDING to be right every single time. You would tirelessly push stupid crap in such a way, even easy going people felt the need to be incredibly stubborn.

Not only that, but if you won versus Vhloughvang it was 'unfair' in every possible circumstance and bitched about it. When you play a fate character, for godsake accept part of fate is losing - it sounded like you were trying to talk a win out of everything. Any character who really believed Fate had pre-written events wouldn't constantly look to see how their opponent had 'cheated' to win but instead would look to how this loss played into the greater picture.

I accept that this view might be stubbornly influenced by my own sphere Fate Village Commander but thankfully that was my only bad comment. So lets leave it at that.

I loved the roleplay, really liked the angle and thought it came across very well in playing overall. This is one of the few svirfs who didn't feel like 'pincer svirf no.345' - and I know it's possible entirely from experience for one to feel like a pincer svirf despite not being axe specced The one tag-line you had 'I am the whiteborn, da da da' really did work quite well. Well played, and good job on making one tough nut. See you in the fields!

Yhorian

You know, I heard a lot of people say that, but I never personally saw anything bad so I mostly wrote it off as sour grapes.

I am sure the PBF will speak for itself. That and the fact that every great char (Nanorab Cabdru Kharg Hunso Taelina Eulinda the list goes on) to pass in Vhlougvang's 600+ hour lifetime had good things to say about him, I would argue that alone speaks voulumes for his character. I wonder how many of the seemingly hateful reflections of his characters life spent time with him rather then against him.

I spent a good hundred or so hours in village with him, still hated him

Vhloughvang is an interesting case in terms of imm loving in that he didn't get what I would call a lot of loving from anyone, but he got a little bit of loving from a pretty wide variety of imms. For example, he was one of the winners in the role contest Rayihn and I ran in mid-February; I don't think he got much else out of either of us ever.

The character's, what, about 9 months / 600 hours old, having been a generally high profile character and Battle leader most of that time? High profile characters with decent longevity nearly always are reward magnets.

A lot of you are probably like me in that you never play a character that long; if so, there's a lot of your answer to "Why don't I get that much stuff?"

(Additionally, I'd expect to see at least 6 times as many bad IC calls or moments of retardation out of a 600 hour character as a 100 hour character.)

I'm not going to tell you Vhloughvang was perfect, but at his best he was a very cool character, and I didn't see much that wasn't up to that standard.

I think he was just a poor sport when it came to PK. He was a REALLY poor loser, and if you ever beat him and he managed to either beat you later, even with help, he punished you for being able to kill him. Dude could carry a grudge and act like a HUGE cock over a loss like nobody I've seen in a good long while. To be honest, after a while it got to the point where I just tried to avoid having to deal with fighting him because, win or lose he was just going to be a real asshole about it. I never got to see much of his RP otherwise, because his PK-behavior was just so piss poor and it put me off of wanting to interact with him.

Who was your char? Since your so open about how bad he sucked and so blatent he was ooc or whatever after fights do you have any logs? Or is this more of a witch hunt cus you have nothing to blame the imms for ruining your life (which is CF) for this time.

Honestly, its not just you. Couinture or whatver went on a rampage about how Vhloug sucked, but then when he explained it, it was obvious he had a personal grudge cus he didnt get what he wanted from a specific point of view. With a char I might add that never amounted to anything.

It seems like what someone else said is true. Most if not all, big name players to go down in the past 5-9 however long he has been around months had nothing but nice things to say. Then you have a bunch of piss ant style chars that all bad mouth him.

I really hope he or someone else picks up his PBF.

I am curious as to see if your all as big crybabies as you look on this and othe forums, or if this guy really was just a huge type asshole. I am willing to bet it on the first and not the latter.

Muckrakers are like flys in ####.
Buzzing around all together happy go lucky, but when it comes down to it, their worthless.

Your diction, punctuation, spelling, vocabulary, and general style aren't terribly easy to miss. Just post some goodbyes instead of anonymously defending yourself. I'm sure a good number of people honestly want to see them: I for one am among them. You were certainly a worthy enemy, though aggravating at times, as Mendecirith.

(edited to not sound like a butthead)

I have a live, a Job, a girl, and other obligations.

Over 9 months I think it was, I will post my goodbyes. They are indeed complex. Most of the people that deserve mention will get it, most that dont will not. I am likely going to post once here after this and then never post again. I am fairly certain I am done with CF. It has nothing to do with the game it self, It has to do with simple fact that I do not wish to become like some of the people who do nothing but be misirable because of it. RL is just too important. I had to post form work and I dont remember my password hence the annomous on this page. I will say I will not bother to even read anything on the other forum as it is mostly just dog#### players badmouthing eachother. I am done with that phase of my life. Your right I still cant spell and my grammar is ####, but my imagination and my people skills have made me very sucessful as of late, and I plan to keep creating more sucess that way... Bickering with simple minded dregs that live in IT closets is not the way I wish to spend any more of my time.

Thanks, my posts will be up soon enough.
As for PBF I know my own numbers, and I dont have to prove my self to anyone. If someone picks it up I am sure the IMM comments will be worth the 5 $ in an of itself.

What exactly is an IT closet? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not labeling the entire info tech industry to be simple minded dregs - especially since none of the people who complained about your character are in IT to my knowledge.

dude we all play this game we are all dorks. I was not being insanely critical and 100% truth be told, my simple point was there are some assholes that arent worth realy going on and on about things with on a forum when in RL who cares ?? and I work in a little ass room with 10 other people each with 5 monitors and its 900 degrees and i been pulling doubles all week so the IT closet thing is more a refrence to my own job right now and the room that has no F'in windows...

Jesus lighten up.

I wasn't taking it to heart, I just thought it was ironic (namely that Vlad, etc, work outside whereas Nep is in IT, heh).

Anywho, g'luck with everything. Hard work always pays, though at times it can be a drag.

You go champ, I wish you much success in your 'life'

And I can't comment on the character more than I already have. As far as OOC stuff goes, I recall you posting quite a bit under the guest nickname of Commander (at least I did not think it was registered here), so I don't really buy the bit about you forgetting the password. In addition, you make it seem as though you are disgusted with the playerbase's comments on Dio's, and I can't help but wonder if you have ever done a search for posts by you. Just look at the subject headings. You contributed as much to that "vibe" as the people you are probably thinking of when you say that they just badmouth eachother.

That being said, if you are genuine about being "done with that phase of your life," then I say "More power to you." I totally believe people can change, and if you are determined to do it, I am glad. I won't hold anything against you. Just don't be one of the guys who swears to be reforming and then goes back to the same ol' crap in a few months (possibly under a new guise). Anyway, good luck with it.

The upper half of this post probably sounded harsh, but hey, it is the truth as I see it. Just remember the bottom half is also the truth.

I am disgusted with alot of the #### I have done and contributed to on dio's. Flat out as I posted last when I left dios for good is that I hate the place cus all it does is ruin an otherwise fun game. I was def a #### on everyones parade kinda guy there and I stopped posting cus its just not worth it. That and it was making me into a spiteful and degrading person all the time. I dont post on dios anymore. And as for posting from work, I am seeing now you can post here with any name so sorry for not just putting it was me. I though you needed to log in and all my stuff has been saved by my comp username passwords stuff. Either way my point was simple. I am not happy with the way I act and I think it honestly cost this char a good deal. I do not want to be involved with the petty #### anymore and you can trust I meant that. No I will not be comming back under a new guise. I will not be comming back at all.

I had fun, but I have alot of other things to worry about now. I hope I am back one day. I hope that the playerbase is still 90% cool. and I hope I am not too rusty to pk some of the haters

but I am pretty sure I wont be back at all.

Green lantern is offically retired from being a loud mouth forum junkie.

As for which characters, my last 2 mages were publicly claimed. Unlike some, I attach my name to my posts as well and own them. My character list is public knowledge.

That being said, enough people were in agreement with me that I think my point stands. Others may have interacted with you on a more friendly level, and thus had better impressions of the character. Speaking as someone who only interacted as an enemy, the bitching before and after combat and the piss poor sportsmanship no matter if it was a win or a loss made me not want to spend the time to get to know your role any better.

Had a few encounters with Vhlou, but it all ended very sour on my end. Alot of whine/rant/piss talk. It wasn't pleasant so I simply avoided talking to him at all. It could be within his character's role and personality. But having to face that every single time I talk to him, simply tells me that I do not and should not want to talk to him if I want an enjoyable time on CF.

I killed the guy several times and not once did he react badly.

I found this character quite complex. For example, he tended to behave one way prior to fighting (cocky and aggressive) and another way once people had earnt his respect in a fight (respectful distaste/hostility).

Everything I have seen of this character as Victoria was very good. There was one thing I saw as my previous character that at the time I thought was very weak, but Vlough was still a lowbie back then.

>I killed the guy several times and not once did he react
>badly.

I killed him several times and nearly every one got a temper tantrum.

>I found this character quite complex. For example, he tended
>to behave one way prior to fighting (cocky and aggressive) and
>another way once people had earnt his respect in a fight
> respectful distaste/hostility).

Thats your experience with him, and thats fine.

>Everything I have seen of this character as Victoria was very
>good. There was one thing I saw as my previous character that
>at the time I thought was very weak, but Vlough was still a
>lowbie back then.

It's entirely possible his play style changed after he heroed and got commander, but I wouldn't know. When I was fighting him we were both coming up through the ranks and I saw a lot of the stuff that you probably would consider weak. By the time he was a hero I was already so disgusted with his behavior, I just went out of my way to avoid having to interact with him so I can't honestly say what he was like by then.

I saw some #### pre hero I didnt like, which was the first 1/6th of his chars life and I didnt bother talking to him after that or rping with him after that yet 500hours later I am going to post a bunch of degrading #### about him based on the lowbie interactions. That seems tres lame. As for bad reactions, If you didnt deserve respect you didnt get it. If you ganked, I talked smack about your win because you were a gankmember (not saying you just giving circumstance) If you beat me and I think that It was basically me ####ing up or noobing out when I should of done things differently I didnt give you a pat on the back cus it was more my fault. Your talking about the RP from a char that suposedly SAW THE FUTURE. When things didn't go the way he saw them going, he was not going to be happy and cheerful to his enemies. You say people agree with you, that is obvious some due, but look at who they are. A villager who got uninducted by a imm when we had a disagreemnt. A villager who got chewed out by me and almost booted by me for his RP. A bunch of tribunals who would talk tons of smack to the char and full loot supergank every chance they had, yet you say I had grudges? Bottom line is I stuck to my day 1 as a commander, lead by mage = foe. Sorry tribunal that you had 2 of 3 leaders as magi. As for the "there not leaders" argument well thats just silly. I didnt play this char for my foes to like me, I didnt play for the imms to like me, I did play to enjoy it and go out with something that I knew I could do well with.

As for your super public char list, I dont know any of them. Nor do I care. I generally dont give a #### who plays who cus I enjoy characters for what they are not who plays them. Only reason I even asked was to try to figure out where all the hate was comming from.
Even that you turned into a pissin contest. Maybe if could share some insight on to why you have such harsh feelings I could explain why things were done, or maybe you just enjoy being sour.

This will be my last response to you unless you come up with something that is auctually worth responding to, rather then just more "you suck you suck I am better then you your wack" type typical posts.

Oh and about me not being public about my chars. I am pretty damn sure everyone knows who I play and I dont care for the most part. Its the people who change how they interact with a char because they think they know who plays the char thats lame in my eyes. CF is about characters not about the faces behind them.

I guess I am just rambling or wasting my breath.

>I saw some #### pre hero I didnt like, which was the first
>1/6th of his chars life and I didnt bother talking to him
>after that or rping with him after that yet 500hours later I
>am going to post a bunch of degrading #### about him based on
>the lowbie interactions. That seems tres lame. As for bad
>reactions, If you didnt deserve respect you didnt get it. If
>you ganked, I talked smack about your win because you were a
>gankmember (not saying you just giving circumstance) If you
>beat me and I think that It was basically me ####ing up or
>noobing out when I should of done things differently I didnt
>give you a pat on the back cus it was more my fault. Your
>talking about the RP from a char that suposedly SAW THE
>FUTURE. When things didn't go the way he saw them going, he
>was not going to be happy and cheerful to his enemies. You say
>people agree with you, that is obvious some due, but look at
>who they are. A villager who got uninducted by a imm when we
>had a disagreemnt. A villager who got chewed out by me and
>almost booted by me for his RP. A bunch of tribunals who would
>talk tons of smack to the char and full loot supergank every
>chance they had, yet you say I had grudges? Bottom line is I
>stuck to my day 1 as a commander, lead by mage = foe. Sorry
>tribunal that you had 2 of 3 leaders as magi. As for the
>"there not leaders" argument well thats just silly. I didnt
>play this char for my foes to like me, I didnt play for the
>imms to like me, I did play to enjoy it and go out with
>something that I knew I could do well with.

I actually interacted with you quite a lot as Spenner, and found you to be uberdouchey. It wasn't just the rager/mage dynamic at play, since I can't recall any other villager being as big a ####bag when it came to PK as you. I was clearly far from the only one, you might want to look at why.

>
>As for your super public char list, I dont know any of them.
>Nor do I care. I generally dont give a #### who plays who cus
>I enjoy characters for what they are not who plays them. Only
>reason I even asked was to try to figure out where all the
>hate was comming from.

From you being a douche. I thought that was pretty clear. I didn't really consider it a lot of hate. I said pretty clearly I didn't know much about the character beyond the douchebaggery that made me not want to spend time knowing more. You could have een the most stupendously wonderful guy on the planet when Pk wasn't involved, but that one aspect of your persona was so off-putting that I just didn't want to spend the time to know more.

>Even that you turned into a pissin contest. Maybe if could
>share some insight on to why you have such harsh feelings I
>could explain why things were done, or maybe you just enjoy
>being sour.

My feelings really weren't overly harsh. I didn't say the character was trash, I didn't say you had no RP. I didn't go anywhere near the extremes some others did in badmouthing you. I said the way you acted when it came to PK made me not want to get to know you further. I really didn't know enough about your characters rp, and said as much, and gave the reasons why. Take it for whatever you want.

>
>This will be my last response to you unless you come up with
>something that is auctually worth responding to, rather then
>just more "you suck you suck I am better then you your wack"
>type typical posts.

I gave you the specific reasons for not liking the character and not wanting to interact with him, and others said much the same. You just don't seem to be comprehending.

>
>Oh and about me not being public about my chars. I am pretty
>damn sure everyone knows who I play and I dont care for the
>most part. Its the people who change how they interact with a
>char because they think they know who plays the char thats
>lame in my eyes. CF is about characters not about the faces
>behind them.

Dude, you made a third person post about your character as if it wasn't your own character you were posting about. Thats lamer than the people who change how they interact with a character because they think they know who plays it.

>
>I guess I am just rambling or wasting my breath.

Rambling.

Hope you dont think I didnt mean you when I was talking about "big name players" cus you def are up there among the MEAN MAMAJAMA's hahah Great char all round. You will def be up with the Scion Goodbyes.

Giving the benefit of the doubt here. I know that this player has done some awesome characters. Maybe it's role.

Vhloughang
Thu Mar 22 18:49:28 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (382 hrs):
An Immortal added 3000 exp for: Awesome defense against a sword spec, armadillo and healer. Killed the dillo and warrior and wore the healer out. Given some nice clothes made from their hides and a few echoes.

An Immortal added 4000 exp for: Sweet fight against two tribs and an imperial who jumped him. He killed two and the third barely got away. Great use of thirst on that fight

An Immortal added 2000 exp for: Rolecontestering!

An Immortal added 4000 exp for: For response to maddening dream, which make his goal to crazy-mad run his spear through the wombs of female mages. (See role)

Fri Jan 5 13:43:28 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 50 (139 hrs):
An Immortal added 4000 exp for: Throw down with me.

Hunsobo
Mon Jan 22 21:29:13 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (251 hrs):
An Immortal added 2000 exp for: Tons of Fort raiding for him. He runs in and bashes one down and ducks back out. Hunsobo yells 'you too stupids' Hilarious

Mon Jan 29 20:12:36 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (274 hrs):
An Immortal added 2000 exp for: Ok, so we've got a super pimp set of gear... but to hit the Fort and recover with 4 Fort in range, 3 of which showed up, and a bunch of Battle also in our range on is gutsy.

Thu Feb 22 21:50:22 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (344 hrs):
An Immortal added 500 exp for: 10 random snoops going and this guy is the RP standout.

Mon Apr 2 00:01:30 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (478 hrs):
An Immortal added 1000 exp for: March RC runner up!

Wed Dec 27 23:16:24 2006 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (177 hrs):
An Immortal added 1000 exp for: Good religion chat + tattoo. Yay, an imperial!

Mon Jan 22 22:46:36 2007 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (251 hrs):
An Immortal added 1500 exp for: Illithid quest...great showing!

I have nothing against or for either of these characters. It does seem to me that V got some sick rewards (hamstring on an axe/whip berserker?!), and consistantly higher xp rewards than others (for equivalent success) and I'm not sure why. But I wasn't familiar with the character, and maybe he really was just that good. It's also very difficult to really compare immortal rewards based on the pbf. That said, Hunsobo, who seems to have been a well-regarded character all around didn't get nearly this level of bonuses.

To me, this is a shrug your shoulders kind of situation, and a natural consequence of a subjective rewards system. Nothing to throw a fit over, but not really ideal either.

(Edited to add point #4)

>I have nothing against or for either of these characters. It
>does seem to me that V got some sick rewards (hamstring on an
>axe/whip berserker?!),

I think getting hamstring as an axe/whip guy is a really good reward in the sense that it's highly unique, but in terms of actual toughness... eh.

I mean, don't get me wrong, hamstring is a good skill, but:

1) If you're Vhloughvang and you're using that, you're not using either your whip or axe spec. This is okay in a situation in which maybe hamstring is the answer and neither of the other specs skills are (and there are those!), but in any given fight there's always a tradeoff for using it. You're eating a hamstring instead of a pincer or strip or weaponbreaker or entwine or whatever.

2) You now need to keep at least a third kind of weapon around to use. Whether you choose to make this a non-limited bargain basement dagger you can stuff in a sack or a really good dagger, there's going to be some kind of tradeoff there, and it's going to extend your regear time somewhat.

3) To actually use the skill, you need to wield a dagger. In a lot of fights, this is just begging for a bash-down. Dagger is generally about the worst weapon in the game to tank with and easiest ones to tank. The main reason this disadvantage doesn't constantly kill real dagger specs is that, one, they're usually built to be dagger specs and have a high dex (Vh, not so much), and two, they have concealed, which Vh didn't.

4) Hamstring looks like a really good skill to me as, say, d-elf warrior. Svirf? Eh.

You look at something like vital area and man, that's even further gone. (No ironhands!)

Very cool, but it just doesn't seem that tough to me, compared with, say, an extra legacy or something else that would make you even tougher fighting the way your character was built to fight, vs. adding some nice versatility at a high price.

>To me, this is a shrug your shoulders kind of situation, and a
>natural consequence of a subjective rewards system. Nothing to
>throw a fit over, but not really ideal either.

Yeah, I think some imms are too conservative with handing out XP, and I think others in the past have gone a bit overboard with it, but really, I'd rather have them watching people and handing out rewards and having a good time with it than trying to enforce much more in the way of order there. I just can't see any way to throw the baby out without also losing the bathwater.

But my oh so mild tirade still stands. And the standing is ridiculous. Not on the tirade, though, of course.

And if you're sitting at the Destructor defending against raiders, uh, hamstring is a friggin great skill to be throwing out. Hamstring and whirl just killed most shifters and dex build melee classes, especially after you throw in the entwine. Four round and you're not going anywhere and sure aren't moving while you wish you could go somewhere.

Hamstring.
Whirl.
Entwine.

I'd rather have immortals handing out imm exp, too, but especially to those deserving of it. Like...me!

>Hamstring and whirl just killed most shifters and dex
>build melee classes, especially after you throw in the
>entwine. Four round and you're not going anywhere and sure
>aren't moving while you wish you could go somewhere.

If he's still standing there and not dead or running for his life after those four rounds (and, depending on what you are, if it only takes four rounds and not more because you're lagging him) including at least two daggering at you, you f'ed up and deserve to die if you do. Sorry.

That we're talking about the hero ranks? And we've got a svirf zerker with resistance and most likely stone skin? So those few additional rounds where you lag Vhoulghvang while he is wielding a dagger in primary and a shield or something, whether in a raid situation or 1v1, aren't going to do a whole lot, right? So someone times a pincer, trip, or ms kick to tack on and make it four rounds before he can switch weapons...I'm not really seeing your point here.

Sorry. Contrary to Jaraffazar or Hunsobo, bash doesn't always win. And I imagine someone with a bit of pk savviness knows when to go for the hamstring or not (like, GL).

Why try to downplay how awesomely awesome the hamstring skill is when coupled with two other specializations? It's like, +1 int or something!

>That we're talking about the hero ranks? And we've got a
>svirf zerker with resistance and most likely stone skin?

Yes and yes.

> And I imagine someone with a bit of pk savviness knows when to go for the hamstring or not (like, GL).

Sure. If he's not going for the hamstring, then it's a moot point. If he does try to bust the hams/whirl combo and entwine you, he's given you a plenty big opening to kill him. It's tantamount to bringing the goalie and all the defenders up past midfield in soccer to try to score -- possibly big payoff, but oh, so much risk.

If you're not in a position to capitalize on that big of an opening, you've made an enormous mistake by even trying to raid against him.

I am completely cool with passively disagreeing with you about the risk involved. I don't think it is risky at all to throw in the hamstring and enjoy the -10 dex.

Nice to know other people are bored enough at work to post a lot. I am. So I'm going to leave early!

Cheers.

Did you read the PBF or just going off of dio's ? heheh no seriously though. Hamstring was great, but worked about 50% of the time. and when it missed I got chewed up and tryed to flee and throw it out again, which got me chewed up again. I got it at hero at 75% and no I was not going to pratice it for a few hours, also helping others rank did nothing for vital or hamstring cus 99% of the time it was on skeletongs woe is me. Right on to vital. It got me WAXED alot prob the best thing about vital was getting dirted after entwine, but vital didnt change anyhthing for me getting wacked to #### as a blunt vlun... Vital also missed so much it made baby jesus cry. I missed something like 7 in a row in one fight. (yes I am a stubborn bastard) and it got me killed heh. Having no ironhands was hard, I would try to throw out a vital in pk and eat a round or two or three of getting raped. One perk the imm's didnt figure on was me become unthrowable that was fun. But nano started kicking alot more then throws.

I am not trying to down play that it was cool having them or that in some times it helped alot alot. But For most of my pk's I never used either skills. I just stuck with SPEAR or flails pugils were my got to. Charge impale or just impale to go to work, entwine, if dirted then vital and get beat on till i could throw on a staff and pugil.

In retrospect I would have given up both for a legacy of my choosing. I also would have liked to get my third legcay from battle not from the role contest but I ran with it cus it was more role related.

Also If I had waited and used my edge points for warrior stuff not generall stuff I would have been ALOT BETTER OFF ohh well right heh

Heh, I meant impale in stead of whirl. But you noticed!

And the point isn't that you didn't deserve things. You were just, well, obviously overcompensated on a level far above anyone else yet. That's my point.

And, with knowing that, all of us powergamers are simply going to gun for immortals prone to dole out massive amounts of imm exp and ignore those who don't. Because we're powergamers.

"And, with knowing that, all of us powergamers are simply going to gun for immortals prone to dole out massive amounts of imm exp and ignore those who don't. Because we're powergamers."

I'd appreciate it in the future if you refrained from speaking for me on what I will or will not do.

But I dont agree so much heheh.
I figured you ment impale but I didnt want a whole nother war on "if he can whirl how come its not in his list!! immspearicy!!" hehe no but I just wanted to make sure you knew. I do think I was generously Compensated but again I put in ALOT of time (not just hours to char and death but alot of those hours were RP with imms and other people). I dont think I was gifted any of that out really. My exp from stuff that wasnt so major was 500 here 500 there... it was things like role contest winner 4k fighting off a Dillo, warrior, with a HEALER, +big exp. I dont think that your off in saying I got some lucky lovin, but another thing to consider is it wasnt one easy Imm. Iunna was a huge part - prob 300 hours of my chars life - of my role and whole direction with the char. Other imms saw stuff and hit me off but never did anything again.

...the baby out, but not the bathwater?

Baby-hater.

Oops, he's not an axe spec anyway. He was spear/whip. Not sure what I was thinking. Principle applies though. We can pretend we're talking about someone who is an axe/whip, or we can just forget it. But I wrote all this so nyah, here it is.

>I think getting hamstring as an axe/whip guy is a really good
>reward in the sense that it's highly unique, but in terms of
>actual toughness... eh.

I see your point, and you're probably right. But...

How in the world can you say that "If he's still standing there and not dead or running for his life after those four rounds .. you f-ed up"? That just doesn't jive at all with my experience of fights at hero. 4 rounds to kill a hero warrior? One with high-hp and excellent damage reduction? Maybe if his blunt vuln wasn't covered, and he was totally unprepared, but otherwise I'm just not seeing that as being a reasonable expectation. Bear in mind this is a character that can entwine, call bloodthirst and kill people bare-handed. Seems to me this guy should be able to do decently in straight-up melee while wielding daggers. If the fight started with a hamstring, well, so much more to his advantage.

Doesn't hamstring does play fairly well to his strengths? Being able to finish people is a strength of his combo, and hamstring means that it's harder to escape effectively. There's also the bleeding, though that's not too huge. Even if not, I think there's a lot to be said for shoring up weaknesses. An axe/whip spec is relatively weak on maladiction, a shortcoming that hamstring (and vital) shore up some.

>You look at something like vital area and man, that's even
>further gone. (No ironhands!)

I agree vital is not that impressive of an add.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that hamstring on axe/whip svirf is totally unreasonable and beyond anything that should ever be given out. Just that it's the jewel in the crown of hamstring, vital, extra legacy he did get. And he got all that, along with largish xp rewards, while being a character who people seemed to find less well-RPed than Hunsobo, who get much less overall.

>Very cool, but it just doesn't seem that tough to me, compared
>with, say, an extra legacy or something else that would make
>you even tougher fighting the way your character was built to
>fight, vs. adding some nice versatility at a high price.

Meh, I guess I just prefer significant shoring up of weaknesses to incremental boosts to strengths.

> I'd rather have them watching people and
>handing out rewards and having a good time with it than trying
>to enforce much more in the way of order there. I just can't
>see any way to throw the baby out without also losing the
>bathwater.

I agree with that.

>How in the world can you say that "If he's still standing
>there and not dead or running for his life after those four
>rounds .. you f-ed up"? That just doesn't jive at all with my
>experience of fights at hero. 4 rounds to kill a hero warrior?
>One with high-hp and excellent damage reduction?

Keep in mind we're talking about enough of a force to raid Battle and kill the Destructor with at least one hero Battle warrior there. Given the way most people play, that's at least three people. (If you're one of the people that does it with less people, probably, you aren't struggling with a low-dex non-dagger spec hamstringing you.)

Keep in mind we're assuming there's at least one warrior or shifter in the raiding group. Probably, we're not busting out the hamstring on, say, an invoker -- yes, it does reduce how far he can run without running out of moves, but there's great odds that he can walk at least far enough to word, and in most cases he doesn't care all that much about losing some dex. (We could crunch through the thief/ranger/assassin cases too, but I think they're similar enough.)

An offensive shifter, played well, has an excellent chance of being able to slow down the successive moves after the hamstring, if not achieve total command denial. DR or no DR, it's going to be hard for Vh to avoid taking a huge beating if he tried to get that vaunted hamstring/switch/whirl/switch/entwine combo out. (If you're a defensive shifter who cares about their dex like mongoose/lemur, theoretically someone who isn't you is set up to do the damage or do something about this, or again, what are you doing there?) Utility's a more interesting case based on form draw but is also likely well set up one way or another.

If you're a dexy warrior instead: congratulations, you're the right size for optimal bashing of Vhloughvang. There isn't anything he can do about this. Most likely, you can trip him also -- and in the one rare case that you can't, that too opens up a further weakness you can exploit. Assuming you're geared to suck up at least some of the -dex from the hamstring (and you should be, unless you just died ten minutes ago, in which case what are you doing raiding Battle?) it's going to be easy for you to land dirt kick and slow down the change of weapons. If you anticipate what he's trying to do, drive opens up some excellent possibilities. And that's without even getting into your specs.

All of this assumes the other people raiding with you are more or less useless, too. If they're able to support you or put pressure on him in some way, it makes it just that much harder for the stars to align to the 'you're screwed' point.

All that, and odds are he missed the hamstring and has nothing to show for those two rounds but a free hit from you.

>Maybe if his
>blunt vuln wasn't covered,

It's pretty rare that a Battle character can keep the rare piece of armor that helps with that for very long.

>Keep in mind we're talking about enough of a force to raid
>Battle and kill the Destructor with at least one hero Battle
>warrior there.

We are? Animal farm was talking about that. I wasn't really, and you hadn't mentioned it in the post I was responding to. If you want to talk specifically about raids that's okay, but that wasn't my intent. Anyhow, I agree with your analysis of hamstring, raids and vhloughang. In those cases it's not a very useful thing most of the time. Then again, in a raid V can use the destructor to keep people from targetting him easily. So that should make it harder to put him down in 4 rounds unless you have some particular sorts of characters.

The kinds of fights I was thinking about were the 1-2 vs 1-2.

>It's pretty rare that a Battle character can keep the rare
>piece of armor that helps with that for very long.

Is it? Seems like every svirf or gnome villager I ever fight has one. And those wings too. Must be selective memory.

Having fought Vhloug as Drezen, I could see an obvious, nasty synergy with the skill(s) he was awarded. Hamstring to cut mv's in half and make moving more taxing, followed by an immediate entwine (both of which have now considerably screwed your dex and nuked dodging). That's fine, honestly. The part I don't like (and this was brought up on the other forum), is that the next move in this combo was to call bloodthirst against a single warrior. I would like Vhloug to post the log, because I think I lost it...but I don't recall hitting him hardly at all once I was entwined (and technically he should have been tanking like horsecrap at this point, having his main hand empty). To top it off, a pugil-deathblow killed me. Now, why is pugil able to land a deathblow? This is old territory here, but I can't help but wonder.

Back to the hamstring thing. Does DEX factor in to avoiding an entwine? If so, then obviously that's nasty.

I suppose I could take the thirsting as some kind of compliment, but from what I have read this guy tends to do that with every rager, and may well be a big part of why people have bitched about that very thing over the years. Of course, I cannot be sure about any of that, though the arguments were fairly convincing.

To get right down to it, how does the staff view situations like the fight I described above? Was any kind of "bloodthirst policy" tossed out the window because my character was a Scion leader? Because I had been doing well against ragers...what?

As far as I know, there is no bloodthirst policy.

dude I made a point to yell at rager who were thirst junkies... I tryed not to thirst as much as possiable. Some people I def needed it against, but thirst got me killed alot, and got a Ton of ragers killed way more then it helped... I posted a note about ragers using thirst to much... If you recall you RAPED me the first fight we had. Dagger specs ####ed vhlou up hardcore and you impale too. With out thirst there is not much of a chance. Also you were ripping ragers a new butthole for a long time so I have been seeing from CB what was that... "drezen kilt me" from pretty much half of the villagers at hero, waaayyy to much for my liking. You were the LEADER of SCION. Dude have some more respect for yourself. You were not a chump. You Punked me at your inners and I ran to a no recal area trying to get away barely alive. Healed up and you found me. Yea, I got lucky with the DB pugil but you were smart.. after entwine of COURSE I AM going to Thrist cus your waiting with the dirt. Now if I wear spear/staff whatever you dirt thats a wasted command and I then call blood but have been unarmed for a moment. If I call first then no matter if yo udirt or not I am thirsted for a BARE HAND round, when my stats are already ####... Drezen was a madd man, and after the statue... we got notes saying FIND THE CREATOR AND KILL HIM. I found out it was you and damn right I was guna do everything I could to kill you... that ment thirst... Sorry you felt you got shafted but your alot better of a char then most people with your combo you were an animal. As for me thirsting for all fights, look at my PBF imms make statments saying how I use thirst great in situations. Not that I am a thirst monkey.

I am starting to think the only way to get some respect is to just post all my logs and let people see how many fights I won with DB how much my super hamstring helped how much i used vital in a pk how often I stood up to 3-1 4-1 5-1 and made it out alive and how often I ate it 8/9/10 -1 and didnt but took someone down with me.

I put emphasis on PBF not because it defines a char, but because it gives people an idea of what Imms see. Imms have the ability to look at a char all the time from a THIRD PARTY non bias view and make calls on what they see.

Your a leader of a cabal dedicated to magic, you built a statue that descrated one of our most loved gods, you were one tough sob and killed a #### ton of ragers, you had a damn good shot at killing me if I didnt make sure I killed you. With all this in mind, What possiable reason would I NOT thirst?

Whoa there. I didn't realize I was getting that much PR from your cabalmates, honestly. I think my memory is a blur of being bounced around by various factions towards the end of Drezen's life, and Battle actually was not really in that part, so forgive me if my opinion of my own character's fighting skills seems somewhat marred.

And about you getting respect...man, post the logs. That's part of the purpose that logs have. I really, REALLY want to see these logs to purge my own negative thoughts about your history. (I went back and found two logs of me fighting you as Iramath...when you were using a duergar warrior of the same name...though you exchanged the "a" for an "e"), and was honestly a bit horrified at what I saw there. If you can show me the improvement that you say you made, please do it. That's not meant to be condescending. I really want to see.

Why not use the weapons given you as a villager? That's like asking Tribs not to use manacles on mages because it's too effective. You seemed to be a prep master, so you should know better then not prepping to fight a village berserker alone.

That's like asking Tribs not to use manacles on mages because it's too effective.

No, it's not. It's a rager berserker calling bloodthirst against a single warrior opponent.

I am not begrudging it. After Vhloug's post I understand his thought process. I have never been a fan of ragers calling thirst in situations that don't seem absolutely necessary. Given the difficulty I had in killing Vhloug when he came into the Chasm for me (obviously I had huge homefield advantage there), I don't personally think bloodthirst was needed. But again, I understand why he didn't see it that way, and it's cool. I just wanted to gab a little bit about it with him, and we did.

You are saying the power shouldn't be called sometimes because under certain circumstances it is overpowered and bad rp. Whether or not anyone agrees with your premise, at it's heart, you are trying to remove a tool from your opponents toolbox because you don't think it's appropriate for the given situation.

I think the better comparison would be that Tribunal using manacles on a non-criminal mage. Wait it can't be done.

Not that I necessarily agree - but that's what Mek is getting at.

Cheers,
Jhyrb

Right, but here's the difference. That trib power is hard coded to prevent misuse, deathblow is not hardcoded to prevent use against solo warriors. It's pretty easy to argue that doing so is not mis-use. It's just that Mek thinks it should not be used in that scenario.

We're talking about bloodthirst, which could easily be hardcoded not to work against warriors. Maybe it should be, maybe it shouldn't be.. not our decision. I didn't say I agreed with it because as soon as you slap haste on Drezen he pwns any non bloodthirsting rager who isn't spamming pugil.

Cheers,

In my defense, I had only had one cup of coffee when I posted that.

I don't think Battle berserker generally needs bloodthirst as a tactical option to fight mages.

I do think Battle berserker generally needs bloodthirst as a tactical option to fight super prep whore (or very well geared, or both) warriors. Drezen falls in one of those categories.

See I agree and disagree. hehe

For the most part I think magi do not need thirst, you need tatics and you need to plan it out or lul them in to finish. Most magi can just word and flying transulent magi can get away easy peasy. The amount of ways magi can get away is a long list. Thist just makes them hit that list alot faster. I feel like 7 our of 10 times thirst = flee teleport word whatever means to get revert word shapshift fly away whatever it may be. Thist triggers the fight/flight mode for flight alot quicker. The 3 times this doesnt happen is when you as a zerker are guna eat it... heh Smart magi know how to use lust to fudge you over hardcore or will play you to a point where you know your up ####s creek and tear off home. Either way the chances of you making it are slim to none.

My Theory on warriors is there is a time and a place to use it. For the most part its perferectly within any ragers role to thirst on a warrior. Your a warlord lunitic beserker and your in the midst of a fight... ummm Your supposed to be better then any other warrior hands down in thera... Your getting wailed on cus your droped strength and dex is working you over. Your Disgusted that this twerp magic wana be lacky prep whore thinks he can toss it up with you. Or this dude is badd ass and you need to give it all you got ect ect.

I Think I thirst when I know I can eat a #### stick in the fight, ie. I know he is guna dirt me when I entwine and I am guna eat some mean hurting, I entwine and cant wear my weapon cus of str loss, I know this guy has got the abilty to lag me out weaponless so on and so forth. This guy is prep whore there are a a few good reasons. I also find I thirst In RP mode even ranking and stuff or fighting mobs and getting my ass kicked by them.(this gets me killed alot by mob deaths) haha

I also find that I like to thirst out and die in pk here and there. Like when I know I am guna die... Thirst it raids where you could run and make it out alive maybe but its more fun to thirst and try to take some one with you... Thirst when your fighting a AP that you prob dont have a chance in hell to kill but you wana see how close you can get em... Thirst fighting the damn walrus on the water as a svirf cus you know if everything goes just the way you need it to you might maybe ok you have no chance to win! haha Those types of deaths I think make a char fun, the going for the glory when you know there is little to no hope. I guess alot of people do not feel that way though.

Just my 2 cents, half asleep cus I am the only smuck who had to work all day yesterday and then again today

I've played my fair share of village berserkers in the past and I can't remember it ever being frowned upon using bloodthirst except at the large crossroads just to pick fights with everyone who passed. I think you kind of have just decided in your head that it shouldn't be used against single warriors which is definitely not the case and if it was would have been hard coded. Besides there are tons of ways to deal with it if someone does call it on you or to avoid it so it's stupid for them to call it. Sorry I just can't agree with you on this one, and trust me I've been on the receiving end of it a lot.

I liked Kragathanian and hated this one because of what have happened with my gnome
However i like GL and can understand what he feels. Nobody says you suck. You didn't suck, that's for sure. However you wasn't great enough for so much imm exp, you must agree.

About hamstring:
Alone hamstring, boneshatter, impale, whirl and so on aren't that great. However, when you combine two of them (boneshatter + whirl or impale + hamstring) - it gives much much much greater results. We all (do we? i cannot gear myself without pk so well ) can gear for enough dex to ignore hamstring. But can any dexy warriors/assassin/thief gear himself to ignore hamstring and impale? Hamstring for hth/sword warrior would give much much lesser results than for warrior with impale. Now about vital ..... totally the same.
In this situation these 2 skills (not useful ones - you say) doubled his maladiction power. From almost useless impale it went into maladiction power like any good dexy dagger spec.

About murdering him while he hamstrings:
When you vital after you impale you won't take much blows - because you'll fight without ironhands against armed enemie not even a round (enemie drops his weapons right after you remove your weapons and vital him)
Same with hamstring and doge.

However, looking at the pk ratio it seems didn't help at all.