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conjurer (Anonymous)Tue 16-Aug-16 03:46 PM
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#64551, "I call BS"


          

Easy to claim something like that when PBF doesn't show the level of your victims. Show us logs, and be sure to include things like whether or not that the person 14 levels higher than you when you were pre-20 was fighting something else, blind, already badly hurt, or still wearing fine leathers and a practice weapon.

Here's what I found from your PBF (and some comparative data mining in a few places):

Mon Jan 4 12:21:31 2016 at level 15 (38 hrs):
Kaer moved to Ancient Emerald Forest (Outlander induction) <PK: 0-0>

Mon Jan 4 12:21:31 2016 at level 16 (38 hrs):
Inducted into OUTLANDER by Tanzer <PK: 0-0>

Pledged at 15, inducted at 15 which advanced you to level 16 from the Induction XP. No PKs yet. Now that you have Windwalk to move rapidly through wildnerness, you begin the PK hunting.

I see 17 solo kills when you were level 16. Almost all of those were in typical pre-20 ranking areas, suggesting that the victims were close to your level and were probably already or recently fighting something when you showed up. Ten of those 17 are in wilderness areas where you have vastly superior movement due to Windwalk. Of the remaining 7, 3 are in areas adjacent to low level, wilderness ranking areas where you used your superior movement to chase them down after catching them off guard while they were ranking. Of the remaining 4, 2 are in Voralian where they were likely fighting Commoners; and the area is pretty small so it's very easy to step into town, see PK nearby, rush in and trip/bash. The last 2 are Galadon and Hamsah, with Hamsah also being right next to Araile where someone was probably killing bandits leaving them hurt and nearly out of movement. None of these 17 appear to be any higher than level 20.

I see 5 solo kills when you were 17. Three of those 5 were in Arkham and back-to-back where the group was likely killing undead in the crypts and you caught them sleeping after a pass through the crypts. One kill was in Voralian City where the dude was probably fighting Commoners. One was on Eastern Road (not enough information to discern anything about it). You also had a couple kills where you had help from someone much higher in level (Darvoderis, Imperial Shaman. You jumped in on someone else's PK and landed the killing blow; Suustus, who I can't find out anything about when searching battlefield forum) and they did well over half the damage (not to mention potential tandem lagging (Suustus???) and someone else to tank for you).

So far, nothing to indicate you solo PK'ing anyone of a much higher level than you.

I see 6 solo kills at level 18:
Feb 18, 2016|Lv 18|Azreth Wood|Grahln vs 1: <18> Kaer (100%, molten smash)
---------Hunting taglos or female tresnores. Wilderness allows rapid engagement via Windwalk
---------to catch them while hurt or already fighting. Nothing to indicate higher level
Feb 18, 2016|Lv 18|Gol'Galath|Zulus vs 1: <18> Kaer (100%, wrath)
---------Mountains are EXTREMELY draining on movement w/out pathfind/Windwalk. A problem you
---------did not have. You probably caught them sleeping/exhausted, possibly hurt if they
---------were previously fighting in either Evermoon, Velkyn, or the orcs in the dwarven camp. Interestingly, this is a conjurer.
---------Still nothing to indicate much higher level.
Feb 20, 2016|Lv 18|Balator|Shevrath vs 1: <18> Kaer (100%, wrath)
---------Not enough information to go on.
Feb 23, 2016|Lv 18|Akan|Adhros vs 1: <18> Kaer (100%, caustic smash)
---------Hunting dwarves. Probably hurt or sleeping after a pass. Nothing to indicate much
---------higher level. Low 20s at best.
Feb 23, 2016|Lv 18|Hidden Forest|Jarnis vs 1: <18> Kaer (100%, blast)
---------Hunting trolls. Wilderness Forest allows rapid engagement via Windwalk while victim
---------has slower movement. Probably hurt from fighting. Nothing to indicate much higher
---------level. Low 20s at best
Feb 23, 2016|Lv 18|The Plains of Arendyl|Adhros vs 1: <18> Kaer (100%, caustic smash)
---------Hunting elves. Wilderness allows rapid engagement via Windwalk. Victim possibly hurt
---------from fighting. Victim was either low to mid-20s, or even lower but part of a group
---------of much higher level.


I see 4 solo kills at 19.
Feb 23, 2016|Lv 19|Galadon|Vra vs 1: <19> Kaer (100%, cleave)
---------Not enough information to go on, but a small area and easy to rush someone and catch
---------them off-guard
Feb 23, 2016|Lv 19|The Past Grove|Ameenotep vs 1: <19> Kaer (100%, cleave)
---------Ameenotep was level 24 here based on your PK deaths for the same day. Also a thief,
---------so a 5 level advantage at this point is trivial.
Feb 27, 2016|Lv 19|Galadon|Hrugl vs 1: <19> Kaer (100%, infernal power)
---------Not enough information to go on, but a small area and easy to rush someone and catch
---------them off-guard
Feb 28, 2016|Lv 19|Outskirts of Galadon|Mauibach vs 1: <19> Kaer (100%, frigid chop)
---------Mauibach was level 37 on April 9th, which was 6 full weeks after you killed him here.
---------If he's only level 37 six weeks after this death, it's pretty reasonable to assume
---------that he was near your level at the time of your win. You, by contrast, were level 31
---------on April 7th, and we know you were leveling slowly for PK and possibly other reasons.
---------He only out-paced you by 6 levels in all that time, and anti-paladins have little to
---------gain by level sitting pre-unholy, meaning there's a good chance he could have actually
---------been of a LOWER level than you.


I'm sure I could go on, but I won't. The point is, you claim you were some powerhouse PK'er at low levels and offer that as evidence that conjurers are overpowered because 3 conjurers of VASTLY higher level than you handed your ass to you on a platter. But I see absolutely nothing in your PK record to indicate you were successfully mowing down people of equally high level to those 3 conjurers. On the contrary, I find in your PK death record an equal number of deaths to non-conjurers of similar levels as those three conjurers, and ample evidence in your PK win record that the majority, if not all, of your wins were vs characters of similar level to yourself, who you very likely caught while they were ranking and unprepared for a fight.

Moreover, the damage types indicated by your PK win record suggest that you did indeed have some very strong gear that you were using at the time, giving greater weight to all the arguments I have made thus far against your claims of being a low-level powerhouse. In case you forgot, I'll restate it: Uber-strong gear + bash pre-20 (in common ranking areas) does not make for a powerhouse, or give reason to believe you should have any chance at killing someone 14 levels higher than yourself.

  

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HOT Locked TopicRe: Archon and dirt kick from mobs [View all] , Destuvius, Sun 14-Aug-16 07:48 PM
Reply Thread locked., Umiron, 16-Aug-16 06:57 PM, #69
Reply Clarification Within:, Umiron, 15-Aug-16 06:08 PM, #38
Reply RE: Archon and dirt kick from mobs, conjurer (Anonymous), 14-Aug-16 08:37 PM, #3
Reply Put it this way, Bemused, 14-Aug-16 08:45 PM, #4
Reply RE: Put it this way, Umiron, 14-Aug-16 08:54 PM, #5
     Reply Fortunately, I am not Bemused or anyone like him, conjurer (Anonymous), 14-Aug-16 09:15 PM, #6
     Reply RE: Put it this way, Bemused, 14-Aug-16 10:14 PM, #7
     Reply You need to stop., Aereglen, 15-Aug-16 11:34 AM, #17
          Reply +1 (n/t), N b M, 15-Aug-16 11:44 AM, #19
          Reply You know whats strange?, Beront (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 11:57 AM, #20
          Reply RE: You know whats strange?, Umiron, 15-Aug-16 12:15 PM, #21
          Reply I'm talking on the subject, I don't need to read his of..., Beront (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 12:23 PM, #22
          Reply It's Valg change, one that he was widely criticized for, Kstatida, 15-Aug-16 12:42 PM, #23
               Reply The problem that it WAS WORKING but, Beront (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 12:45 PM, #24
                    Reply Easy, Kstatida, 15-Aug-16 12:52 PM, #25
                    Reply Look for ranking areas., Beront (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 01:01 PM, #26
                    Reply This is just not true, at all, conjurer (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 02:13 PM, #28
                         Reply Didn't see Umiron's post about blind mobs, conjurer (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 02:22 PM, #30
                         Reply RE: Didn't see Umiron's post about blind mobs, incognito, 16-Aug-16 11:16 AM, #55
                              Reply I doubt that, Kstatida, 16-Aug-16 12:26 PM, #57
                         Reply Sounds like you don't know how to fight mobs?, incognito, 15-Aug-16 04:01 PM, #32
                         Reply RE: Sounds like you don't know how to fight mobs?, conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 03:20 AM, #47
                         Reply Dude you're making things up to prove an invalid point, Kstatida, 15-Aug-16 05:00 PM, #33
                              Reply RE: Dude you're making things up to prove an invalid po..., conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 02:48 AM, #45
                                   Reply Unfortunately, Kstatida, 16-Aug-16 04:45 AM, #48
                                        Reply You're being very ridiculous in your arguments, conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 05:56 AM, #50
                                             Reply RE: You're being very ridiculous in your arguments, Kstatida, 16-Aug-16 09:28 AM, #52
                                                  Reply RE: You're being very ridiculous in your arguments, conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 09:33 AM, #53
                                                       Reply The change is not recent, Kstatida, 16-Aug-16 10:17 AM, #54
                                                       Reply erroneous post nt., conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 12:33 PM, #58
                                                       Reply How is this REMOTELY a good example of conjurer "god-mo..., conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 12:34 PM, #59
                                                       Reply Thank you for proving my point, Kstatida, 16-Aug-16 12:46 PM, #61
                                                       Reply I call BS, conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 03:46 PM #62
                    Reply This, mage, 15-Aug-16 12:58 PM, #27
          Reply RE: You know whats strange?, N b M, 15-Aug-16 03:05 PM, #31
               Reply RE: You know whats strange?, Umiron, 15-Aug-16 05:15 PM, #34
                    Reply Eh., Lhydia, 15-Aug-16 05:31 PM, #35
                    Reply Only problem I have re: mob AI..., TMNS, 15-Aug-16 07:24 PM, #39
          Reply You miss the point, again., Aereglen, 16-Aug-16 02:00 AM, #43
               Reply You started the Offtop, Beront (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 02:53 AM, #46
                    Reply Look again., Aereglen, 16-Aug-16 04:07 PM, #63
                         Reply My congratulations, Beront (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 05:03 PM, #64
                         Reply Let me get this straight, Bemused, 16-Aug-16 05:24 PM, #65
                         Reply Look at what they said., Aereglen, 16-Aug-16 06:25 PM, #67
                              Reply Your constant pandering to the immortals has made you n..., Bemused, 16-Aug-16 06:55 PM, #68
                         Reply This topic is not about bugs. n/t, Lhydia, 16-Aug-16 05:57 PM, #66
          Reply RE: You need to stop., Bemused, 15-Aug-16 05:37 PM, #36
               Reply RE: You need to stop., Destuvius, 15-Aug-16 06:04 PM, #37
               Reply Oh, thats why you anathemed me?, Beront (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 12:43 AM, #40
                    Reply Sorry I RPed with you on an RP mud. nt, Destuvius, 16-Aug-16 04:45 AM, #49
                         Reply Hah, N b M, 16-Aug-16 07:11 AM, #51
               Reply RE: You need to stop., Aereglen, 16-Aug-16 01:59 AM, #44
     Reply Question re: this change, Tac, 15-Aug-16 10:42 AM, #14
          Reply Because that would make archon conjies unPKllable, Kstatida, 15-Aug-16 11:07 AM, #15
Reply So what's stopping you, incognito, 15-Aug-16 01:28 AM, #9
Reply Mobs also redirect now., TMNS, 15-Aug-16 02:19 AM, #10
Reply Archon morale, conjurer (Anonymous), 15-Aug-16 05:44 AM, #11
     Reply Umiron, thiiiiiiiiiiiisssss! n/t, Lhydia, 15-Aug-16 09:07 AM, #12
     Reply Well argued, incognito, 16-Aug-16 01:28 AM, #41
Reply RE: Archon and dirt kick from mobs, Umiron, 15-Aug-16 11:43 AM, #18
     Reply RE: Archon and dirt kick from mobs, Jormyr, 16-Aug-16 01:47 AM, #42
          Reply RE: Archon and dirt kick from mobs, stlucian1992, 16-Aug-16 12:26 PM, #56
               Reply I would 100% endorse this. n/t, conjurer (Anonymous), 16-Aug-16 12:39 PM, #60
Reply erroneous post nt., conjurer (Anonymous), 14-Aug-16 08:35 PM, #2
Reply Because it is stupid and makes the class mostly unplaya..., Lhydia, 14-Aug-16 08:17 PM, #1
     Reply I played before and after the change and I like it., laxman, 14-Aug-16 10:16 PM, #8
          Reply Can NPCs target the archon while blind?, lasentia, 15-Aug-16 09:18 AM, #13
               Reply RE: Can NPCs target the archon while blind?, Umiron, 15-Aug-16 11:21 AM, #16
                    Reply RE: Can NPCs target the archon while blind?, lasentia, 15-Aug-16 02:14 PM, #29
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