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AdhelardWed 28-Nov-07 03:03 PM
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#19855, "RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?"


          

Now that I'm on the topic and remembering certain raids. There was this one funny/embarassing raid where Ktaar and an elite shadow went up against a solo Fortress healer at the Watcher. After, I don't know, 50 hours or more of fruitless head on fighting, I decided to just assassinate the healer and get him out of the way. And then the humiliation started... because Ktaar and the elite imperial shadow could not take down the Watcher before the healer unghosted and started healing it up again. At that point my free time had ended and I called off the raid. I expected a demotion at any time.

Clearly I need a PvM tutorial.

I'm not alone, though! There were plenty of times I watched a group of ragers (literally a group, and many of them competent players like Golhyr or Brinkmun) spend 50 hours or more taking down the Nexus inners.

>Beyond that... I've played a number of similarly built
>characters that didn't struggle with guardians as much as you
>seemed to, so I'm curious:
>
>1) What kind of strategy did you take in terms of how you
>were geared? What about weapons? For a felar assassin, I'd
>fight an awful lot of PKs with a one-handed sword, but I might
>well switch up to staff or spear to fight an inner unopposed,
>wanting that extra tanking over the backfist damage. Even
>though the tanking isn't exactly the problem, any damage you
>save is less damage bind wounds needs to keep fixing and more
>of the direct damage it can eat into. I'd have to try it both
>ways again to see if that still holds up.
>


Admittedly, I always used a one handed weapon and shield or just the one handed weapon. Never a staff/spear. For players, I figured the shield would work better for defense when laying on important maledicts. For mobs, the backfist damage like you said because I didn't see the melee damage as a factor. I guess there's a sliding scale of balancing offense and defense when fighting mobs.


>2) What about to actually fight the guardians?
>


Same. Would it really have dramatically shortened the time given the spells were causing the critical damage?


>3) Would using some non-dispellable DR have been a workable
>option? For example, let's say dispellable protection is easy
>for you to get. Might it have been worth your time to use it
>and reapply it after each successful dispel?
>


Yeah, I could count on unlimited protection against the Fortress. It would be suicide for me to take on the Watcher without it. And I could count on stoneskin against the Archmage/Spirit - it would be frustrating to take them without it, especially after the Archmage softens.

So the takeaway is.. bite the bullet and use DR preps, and balance out defense/offense?

  

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HOT TopicCabals [View all] , Daevryn, Sun 25-Nov-07 09:10 PM
Reply RE: Cabals, Eskelian, 03-Dec-07 02:49 AM, #100
Reply My thoughts..., trewyn, 27-Nov-07 11:03 PM, #72
Reply I agree that getting inducted should not be time consum..., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 09:33 AM, #77
Reply RE: Cabals, Doge, 27-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #60
Reply Changes to cabal raiding I would like to see, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 06:54 AM, #56
Reply Continued, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 10:06 AM, #59
     Reply I think this might have some merit, and is certainly ea..., Quixotic, 27-Nov-07 01:14 PM, #62
     Reply RE: Continued, _Magus_, 27-Nov-07 02:58 PM, #63
          Reply RE: Continued, Tac, 27-Nov-07 03:52 PM, #64
          Reply RE: Continued, Daevryn, 27-Nov-07 04:13 PM, #66
               Reply That's just the thing., elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 05:06 PM, #67
               Reply RE: That's just the thing., Daevryn, 27-Nov-07 05:14 PM, #68
                    Reply I'm not talking about scaled effects though, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 07:09 PM, #69
                         Reply It's just... too complicated., Terwin05, 27-Nov-07 08:39 PM, #70
                              Reply Well, just ditch whatever I said about raiding empty ca..., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 03:54 AM, #76
               Reply Show me your log of you solo'ing the Scion Archmage ple..., trewyn, 27-Nov-07 10:52 PM, #71
               Reply I was able to solo the Archmage rather easily..., _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 03:02 AM, #74
               Reply I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 09:47 AM, #78
               Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 10:20 AM, #79
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 10:53 AM, #80
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 02:01 PM, #87
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #91
                         Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:35 PM, #96
                    Reply Not to get off on too much of a tangent, _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 02:20 PM, #88
                    Reply RE: Not to get off on too much of a tangent, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #89
                    Reply Builds that will destroy inners., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #90
                    Reply Ok, help. What am I missing?, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 12:50 PM, #81
                         Reply try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Trouble, 28-Nov-07 01:13 PM, #82
                         Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 01:21 PM, #84
                         Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 03:05 PM, #93
                              Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:26 PM, #95
                         Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 01:18 PM, #83
                              Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 03:03 PM #92
                                   Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:23 PM, #94
                                        Reply Ok, thanks., Adhelard, 29-Nov-07 06:23 PM, #98
               Reply RE: Continued, TJHuron, 30-Nov-07 12:55 AM, #99
          Reply They would not be able to slay it at will, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 04:06 PM, #65
Reply Generalizing the problem, Terwin05, 26-Nov-07 02:09 PM, #42
Reply RE: Generalizing the problem, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 02:16 PM, #45
Reply RE: Outposts, DurNominator, 26-Nov-07 03:58 PM, #49
Reply I like Magus and Boon's combined Ideas., Dragomir, 26-Nov-07 01:45 PM, #38
Reply RE: I like Magus and Boon's combined Ideas., _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 02:04 PM, #41
Reply RE: Cabals, Twist, 26-Nov-07 11:21 AM, #22
Reply Another cause is pb caution, Theerkla, 26-Nov-07 11:31 AM, #23
Reply RE: Another cause is pb caution, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 11:40 AM, #24
     Reply RE: Another cause is pb caution, Torak, 26-Nov-07 01:05 PM, #30
Reply RE: Cabals, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 12:01 PM, #25
Reply Well there you go..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Well there you go..., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 12:41 PM, #27
     Reply You aren't the only one..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 12:57 PM, #28
     Reply RE: You aren't the only one..., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:12 PM, #33
     Reply Almost been there, done that.., Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:04 PM, #31
     Reply RE: Almost been there, done that.., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:10 PM, #32
          Reply Hmm, wonder where I got that from., Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:30 PM, #35
               Reply RE: Hmm, wonder where I got that from., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:43 PM, #37
                    Reply Heh, you missed the important part..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 02:11 PM, #44
                         Reply How about more rewarding in general? -nt-, Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 04:08 PM, #51
                              Reply I think there's been less rewarding since the installme..., _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 03:35 AM, #75
     Reply Nope!!, trewyn, 27-Nov-07 11:36 PM, #73
     Reply Dont do it please and here is why, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 01:01 PM, #29
Reply Glass Houses + Brick = goofy idea on retrieval, UncleArzzra, 26-Nov-07 01:52 PM, #39
Reply RE: Cabals, Kalageadon, 28-Nov-07 05:15 PM, #97
Reply RE: Cabals, Chalupah, 12-Dec-07 04:16 PM, #102
Reply RE: Cabals, incognito, 26-Nov-07 03:48 AM, #15
Reply I concur, ORB, 26-Nov-07 04:42 AM, #16
Reply I may be mistaken but, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 05:21 AM, #17
Reply I'm talking most people in the cabal by lvl 15. not an ..., ORB, 27-Nov-07 08:31 AM, #57
Reply RE: Getting back to the good ole' days:, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 08:17 PM, #55
Reply Eh:, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 08:58 AM, #19
     Reply RE: Eh:, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 09:38 AM, #20
     Reply The Five Magics, Twist, 26-Nov-07 11:00 AM, #21
          Reply Nice story..., Dervish, 26-Nov-07 01:13 PM, #34
          Reply RE: Nice story..., Twist, 26-Nov-07 03:38 PM, #48
          Reply The *real* Five Magics, Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:42 PM, #36
               Reply You were in charge of both..., Twist, 26-Nov-07 03:34 PM, #47
                    Reply Only if you use the phrase 'in charge' loosely., Trouble, 28-Nov-07 01:40 PM, #85
                         Reply Poofin..., Twist, 28-Nov-07 01:46 PM, #86
     Reply RE: Eh:, incognito, 26-Nov-07 02:38 PM, #46
Reply Some ideas for you, Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 01:39 AM, #13
Reply Is there any love for this idea? If yes, I will build o..., Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 04:03 PM, #50
     Reply I don't speak for everyone, but..., Twist, 27-Nov-07 09:06 AM, #58
Reply Suggestions, Torak, 25-Nov-07 11:24 PM, #9
Reply a few points and ideas, Quixotic, 25-Nov-07 10:43 PM, #6
Reply RE: a few points and ideas, Daevryn, 25-Nov-07 10:55 PM, #7
     Reply True., Quixotic, 25-Nov-07 11:05 PM, #8
Reply Two answers:, UncleArzzra, 25-Nov-07 10:25 PM, #4
Reply Re: Cabal Reputation, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 10:32 PM, #5
Reply RE: Cabals, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 09:52 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Cabals, Boon, 25-Nov-07 10:32 PM, #2
     Reply Cool. Thanks for expounding on the idea. ~, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 10:16 PM, #3
     Reply Your idea deserves merit at the least., Derexal, 25-Nov-07 11:26 PM, #10
     Reply RE: Your idea deserves merit at the least., _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 02:09 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Cabals, silencedstatik, 26-Nov-07 12:37 AM, #11
     Reply RE: Skill ideas?, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 01:01 AM, #12
     Reply I dont like it., Dervish, 26-Nov-07 03:31 AM, #14
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 08:56 AM, #18
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Amaranthe, 27-Nov-07 12:32 PM, #61
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Lyristeon, 26-Nov-07 04:26 PM, #52
          Reply Hey, said "A" say "B"?, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 04:57 PM, #53
               Reply RE: Unique bonuses, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 08:12 PM, #54
     Reply An added thought:, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 01:59 PM, #40
     Reply I don't like this..., Eskelian, 03-Dec-07 03:03 AM, #101
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