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elmeri_Tue 27-Nov-07 07:09 PM
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#19829, "I'm not talking about scaled effects though"


          

Simple things, like on/off whether there are any possible defenders, or nil. If nil, you get the shaft, since there's no real point in raiding (from funstick pov). In any other case just make them work the same whether it's 5 on 3, 5 on 1, or 2 on 6. Bottom line is, it would help all levels across the board if the inners were more about defense and giving defenders the tactical advantage, less about being omgwtfbbq in their own right (read: spamming disrupt organ). Basic idea, that the defenders are the actual problem you face.

And well, if the defenders do not know how to play their cards, they will be just as reamed in a defense situation. You know this. A major part of cf is PK, and well, I would imagine that even though they are not very skilled at it, they will want to fight.

I remember years ago in 99 or whatever when I was still very bad at pk, I had a character named Implagur, Sylvan tiger pre shifter split. With insects and pounce it was awesome. Even though I couldn't pk my way out of a paper bag, I was very lethal. And man did I ever try everything. I bet I died at least 20 times due to insecting myself off volley when raiding empire. And chargeset unspeaks ftw! But still, I liked to fight, even if it meant that I died a lot.

Bottom line, if cabal inners would be toned down in offense, given more defense, some tactical skills, and offensive power which only fires when no defenders are in the range of the raiders.

To give you couple of theme fitting examples:

Archmage with no defenders is in transmuter or necro mode. He will either scourge, blind, energy drain, mayby throw in even forget just be major pain.
Archmage with defenders (one is enough) will turn into some sort of defensive form (with not quite as much damage reduction ofcourse), and use intercept or distract.

Destructor with no defenders will be a flurry/pincer machine bashing to boot. To be really annoying, perhaps make him pick the non-bash protected target and bash;flurry
Destructor with defenders will utilise skills like eyejab, lash, cutoff, strip and various other utility skills. Also mayby double block for the defenders? He will also target people who are not fighting to bring them into combat.

Watcher with no defenders will be in aggressive paladin mode, and do all the things it does now, perhaps with a side dish of strike of faith, and higher frequency of divine ret/light of the heavens.
Watcher with defenders would be in defensive paladin mode, using perhaps a rescue spinoff that does not lag the defender, templars mid hiltsmash etc, perhaps dish out mend wounds to the defenders.

While doing all this, the base melee would be reduced some, to make them less scary. Ofcourse there's the issue that a newbie defender recieves a smaller boon, but isn't that the way it's with all things? I bet you will get way more mileage out of an unholy blessed sword stick than most people would . Also, since most effects are beneficial targeted skills to the defending group, the progs would have diminishing returns with the number of defenders. Right now with targetted offensive progs, the progs have a diminishing returns with the number of offenders.

Damn, the more I type the better this idea is starting to look! I should just keep on going

  

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HOT TopicCabals [View all] , Daevryn, Sun 25-Nov-07 09:10 PM
Reply RE: Cabals, Eskelian, 03-Dec-07 02:49 AM, #100
Reply My thoughts..., trewyn, 27-Nov-07 11:03 PM, #72
Reply I agree that getting inducted should not be time consum..., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 09:33 AM, #77
Reply RE: Cabals, Doge, 27-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #60
Reply Changes to cabal raiding I would like to see, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 06:54 AM, #56
Reply Continued, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 10:06 AM, #59
     Reply I think this might have some merit, and is certainly ea..., Quixotic, 27-Nov-07 01:14 PM, #62
     Reply RE: Continued, _Magus_, 27-Nov-07 02:58 PM, #63
          Reply RE: Continued, Tac, 27-Nov-07 03:52 PM, #64
          Reply RE: Continued, Daevryn, 27-Nov-07 04:13 PM, #66
               Reply That's just the thing., elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 05:06 PM, #67
               Reply RE: That's just the thing., Daevryn, 27-Nov-07 05:14 PM, #68
                    Reply I'm not talking about scaled effects though, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 07:09 PM #69
                         Reply It's just... too complicated., Terwin05, 27-Nov-07 08:39 PM, #70
                              Reply Well, just ditch whatever I said about raiding empty ca..., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 03:54 AM, #76
               Reply Show me your log of you solo'ing the Scion Archmage ple..., trewyn, 27-Nov-07 10:52 PM, #71
               Reply I was able to solo the Archmage rather easily..., _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 03:02 AM, #74
               Reply I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 09:47 AM, #78
               Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 10:20 AM, #79
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 10:53 AM, #80
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 02:01 PM, #87
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #91
                         Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:35 PM, #96
                    Reply Not to get off on too much of a tangent, _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 02:20 PM, #88
                    Reply RE: Not to get off on too much of a tangent, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #89
                    Reply Builds that will destroy inners., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #90
                    Reply Ok, help. What am I missing?, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 12:50 PM, #81
                         Reply try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Trouble, 28-Nov-07 01:13 PM, #82
                         Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 01:21 PM, #84
                         Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 03:05 PM, #93
                              Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:26 PM, #95
                         Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 01:18 PM, #83
                              Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 03:03 PM, #92
                                   Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:23 PM, #94
                                        Reply Ok, thanks., Adhelard, 29-Nov-07 06:23 PM, #98
               Reply RE: Continued, TJHuron, 30-Nov-07 12:55 AM, #99
          Reply They would not be able to slay it at will, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 04:06 PM, #65
Reply Generalizing the problem, Terwin05, 26-Nov-07 02:09 PM, #42
Reply RE: Generalizing the problem, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 02:16 PM, #45
Reply RE: Outposts, DurNominator, 26-Nov-07 03:58 PM, #49
Reply I like Magus and Boon's combined Ideas., Dragomir, 26-Nov-07 01:45 PM, #38
Reply RE: I like Magus and Boon's combined Ideas., _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 02:04 PM, #41
Reply RE: Cabals, Twist, 26-Nov-07 11:21 AM, #22
Reply Another cause is pb caution, Theerkla, 26-Nov-07 11:31 AM, #23
Reply RE: Another cause is pb caution, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 11:40 AM, #24
     Reply RE: Another cause is pb caution, Torak, 26-Nov-07 01:05 PM, #30
Reply RE: Cabals, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 12:01 PM, #25
Reply Well there you go..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Well there you go..., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 12:41 PM, #27
     Reply You aren't the only one..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 12:57 PM, #28
     Reply RE: You aren't the only one..., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:12 PM, #33
     Reply Almost been there, done that.., Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:04 PM, #31
     Reply RE: Almost been there, done that.., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:10 PM, #32
          Reply Hmm, wonder where I got that from., Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:30 PM, #35
               Reply RE: Hmm, wonder where I got that from., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:43 PM, #37
                    Reply Heh, you missed the important part..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 02:11 PM, #44
                         Reply How about more rewarding in general? -nt-, Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 04:08 PM, #51
                              Reply I think there's been less rewarding since the installme..., _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 03:35 AM, #75
     Reply Nope!!, trewyn, 27-Nov-07 11:36 PM, #73
     Reply Dont do it please and here is why, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 01:01 PM, #29
Reply Glass Houses + Brick = goofy idea on retrieval, UncleArzzra, 26-Nov-07 01:52 PM, #39
Reply RE: Cabals, Kalageadon, 28-Nov-07 05:15 PM, #97
Reply RE: Cabals, Chalupah, 12-Dec-07 04:16 PM, #102
Reply RE: Cabals, incognito, 26-Nov-07 03:48 AM, #15
Reply I concur, ORB, 26-Nov-07 04:42 AM, #16
Reply I may be mistaken but, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 05:21 AM, #17
Reply I'm talking most people in the cabal by lvl 15. not an ..., ORB, 27-Nov-07 08:31 AM, #57
Reply RE: Getting back to the good ole' days:, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 08:17 PM, #55
Reply Eh:, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 08:58 AM, #19
     Reply RE: Eh:, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 09:38 AM, #20
     Reply The Five Magics, Twist, 26-Nov-07 11:00 AM, #21
          Reply Nice story..., Dervish, 26-Nov-07 01:13 PM, #34
          Reply RE: Nice story..., Twist, 26-Nov-07 03:38 PM, #48
          Reply The *real* Five Magics, Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:42 PM, #36
               Reply You were in charge of both..., Twist, 26-Nov-07 03:34 PM, #47
                    Reply Only if you use the phrase 'in charge' loosely., Trouble, 28-Nov-07 01:40 PM, #85
                         Reply Poofin..., Twist, 28-Nov-07 01:46 PM, #86
     Reply RE: Eh:, incognito, 26-Nov-07 02:38 PM, #46
Reply Some ideas for you, Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 01:39 AM, #13
Reply Is there any love for this idea? If yes, I will build o..., Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 04:03 PM, #50
     Reply I don't speak for everyone, but..., Twist, 27-Nov-07 09:06 AM, #58
Reply Suggestions, Torak, 25-Nov-07 11:24 PM, #9
Reply a few points and ideas, Quixotic, 25-Nov-07 10:43 PM, #6
Reply RE: a few points and ideas, Daevryn, 25-Nov-07 10:55 PM, #7
     Reply True., Quixotic, 25-Nov-07 11:05 PM, #8
Reply Two answers:, UncleArzzra, 25-Nov-07 10:25 PM, #4
Reply Re: Cabal Reputation, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 10:32 PM, #5
Reply RE: Cabals, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 09:52 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Cabals, Boon, 25-Nov-07 10:32 PM, #2
     Reply Cool. Thanks for expounding on the idea. ~, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 10:16 PM, #3
     Reply Your idea deserves merit at the least., Derexal, 25-Nov-07 11:26 PM, #10
     Reply RE: Your idea deserves merit at the least., _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 02:09 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Cabals, silencedstatik, 26-Nov-07 12:37 AM, #11
     Reply RE: Skill ideas?, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 01:01 AM, #12
     Reply I dont like it., Dervish, 26-Nov-07 03:31 AM, #14
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 08:56 AM, #18
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Amaranthe, 27-Nov-07 12:32 PM, #61
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Lyristeon, 26-Nov-07 04:26 PM, #52
          Reply Hey, said "A" say "B"?, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 04:57 PM, #53
               Reply RE: Unique bonuses, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 08:12 PM, #54
     Reply An added thought:, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 01:59 PM, #40
     Reply I don't like this..., Eskelian, 03-Dec-07 03:03 AM, #101
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