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IsildurFri 30-Dec-11 12:43 PM
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#42239, "RE: my attempt at a solution (long)"


          

>Crazy as it sounds to you, I kind of think that IS the main
>balancing purpose of the current system. :p

Possibly. I didn't design it so I can't speak to the intent of the designers. Though, if that's the case, then I think it's a bad way to attempt to "balance" the "unbalancedness" of a mage who has found all of his sleek wands.

If mortals having the "slay" command would be unbalanced, then it would be unbalanced even if it were only given to 10% of them randomly and then only for the last 50 hours of the character's life.

>I mean, let me know if you played
>one and disagree with me - it'd be nice to hear a different
>view from someone who can PK.

None of my mages ever find their wands, so I can't comment. Your description sounds pretty accurate. Players who aren't that good at PK will still die with ASB. Good players will still (rarely) die with ASB (usually up against a huge gang). But it makes a huge difference. I'm not disputing that.

>I agree your way maintains the exploration element and I wish
>it wasn't buried in tongi's thread, but I think it makes
>full-time ABS even easier.

"Easier" is the wrong word. It makes it less likely that some mages will be without ASB because they just can't find the damn things. It makes it less likely that players will roll mages, find their wands, then delete because they perceive their locations to represent a severe disadvantage (relative to other mages w/ easier locations).

If you think "mage who has found ASB" is too powerful, then consider upping the repop timers on sleek wands so that even mages who have found their locations are forced to use the charges judiciously.

  

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HOT Locked TopicWand lists, etc. [View all] , tongni12, Tue 03-Jan-12 03:22 PM
Reply A suggestion, Krathreal, 04-Jan-12 02:54 AM, #138
Reply Don't worry..., Jhyrbian, 03-Jan-12 02:56 AM, #136
Reply RE: Don't worry..., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:59 AM, #144
Reply Don't worry..., Zulghinlour, 29-Dec-11 07:54 PM, #100
Reply Rolling a rager. nt, Artificial, 29-Dec-11 07:58 PM, #2
Reply Right on lets do dis #### nt, Runaktla, 31-Dec-11 10:07 PM, #107
Reply Ah, the Napalm strategy., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 07:59 PM, #3
Reply I'm not joking..., Zulghinlour, 29-Dec-11 08:04 PM, #4
     Reply On the contrary, it's a win/win, Tsunami, 29-Dec-11 08:07 PM, #6
     Reply I love you, so please don't take this as argumentative., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 08:11 PM, #7
     Reply RE: I love you, so please don't take this as argumentat..., Isildur, 29-Dec-11 08:36 PM, #13
          Reply Again, this involves treating the symptoms, not the dis..., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 08:53 PM, #16
               Reply RE: Again, this involves treating the symptoms, not the..., Isildur, 29-Dec-11 09:01 PM, #17
                    Reply Sulye would have been nerfed or denied under what I pro..., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 05:04 AM, #35
                         Reply RE: Sulye would have been nerfed or denied under what I..., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:47 AM, #42
                              Reply Forgive me. I was drunk last night. Thank god I didn'..., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 01:21 PM, #78
     Reply I like this idea, Elerosse, 29-Dec-11 08:24 PM, #10
     Reply Depends:, tongni12, 29-Dec-11 08:40 PM, #14
     Reply RE: Depends:, Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 12:19 AM, #28
          Reply And you say we players are emotional., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 05:09 AM, #36
          Reply Its like the doomsday switch, Oldril, 31-Dec-11 05:36 PM, #101
     Reply Best. Santa Zulg. Ever., Scrimbul, 29-Dec-11 11:15 PM, #24
     Reply Yep, AXera, 29-Dec-11 11:53 PM, #26
          Reply This is assuming a LOT., Tesline, 04-Jan-12 01:42 PM, #139
     Reply How is this any better than just making the prep knowle..., Gaplemo, 29-Dec-11 11:41 PM, #25
     Reply RE: How is this any better than just making the prep kn..., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 12:18 AM, #27
          Reply RE: How is this any better than just making the prep kn..., Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 12:49 AM, #29
          Reply Of course, Gaplemo, 30-Dec-11 01:21 AM, #32
          Reply Why not just stop all the secrecy then?, Oldril, 31-Dec-11 05:37 PM, #102
               Reply That's naive, incognito, 01-Jan-12 07:08 AM, #110
                    Reply Of course., Oldril, 02-Jan-12 12:54 AM, #120
                         Reply RE: Of course., incognito, 02-Jan-12 07:03 PM, #133
     Reply It's about damn time, Grudan, 30-Dec-11 05:01 AM, #34
     Reply I like this idea IF.... You leave the store bought prep..., Alston, 30-Dec-11 10:06 AM, #45
     Reply RE: I'm not joking..., The Heretic, 30-Dec-11 04:08 PM, #91
     Reply Longer fights, Lightmage, 02-Jan-12 11:44 AM, #130
     Reply Please see my newbie boosts on Gameplay, incognito, 02-Jan-12 07:28 PM, #135
     Reply Please remove preps for a week or two., Void, 25-Jan-12 09:44 PM, #140
     Reply RE: I'm not joking..., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:48 AM, #142
Reply It doesn't sound like a horrible idea., Lhydia, 29-Dec-11 08:15 PM, #8
Reply DO IT, Gaspar, 29-Dec-11 08:17 PM, #9
Reply I like that people race for it, incognito, 02-Jan-12 03:48 PM, #131
Reply Hahaha!, Conundrum, 29-Dec-11 10:31 PM, #22
Reply Please come back. We miss you Panda., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 05:10 AM, #37
Reply Please don't punish us for a few jerks :(, highbutterfly, 30-Dec-11 03:55 AM, #33
Reply I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., DurNominator, 30-Dec-11 07:19 AM, #39
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Rayihn, 30-Dec-11 09:16 AM, #41
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Elerosse, 30-Dec-11 09:50 AM, #43
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:51 AM, #44
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Rayihn, 30-Dec-11 10:31 AM, #52
Reply Actually, I'm not sarcastic. , DurNominator, 30-Dec-11 10:49 AM, #55
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., JoeCloud, 30-Dec-11 01:12 PM, #77
     Reply What about strengthening detect artifact?, JoeCloud, 30-Dec-11 04:03 PM, #90
Reply Add more wand locations and the advantage of having a w..., DurNominator, 30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #49
Reply Horrible idea, Cenatar_, 30-Dec-11 01:40 PM, #84
Reply I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Amberion, 30-Dec-11 10:48 AM, #54
Reply RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 10:57 AM, #57
     Reply RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Elerosse, 30-Dec-11 12:04 PM, #70
     Reply RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Kamuela_, 31-Dec-11 08:41 PM, #104
     Reply As someone who likes to play elves and dark elves, incognito, 02-Jan-12 03:52 PM, #132
Reply Umm, incognito, 02-Jan-12 07:17 PM, #134
Reply RE: Umm, Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 05:11 AM, #145
Reply I endorse this solution., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:44 AM, #141
Reply Wow, this whole thing really got out of hand., TripHitNdip (Anonymous), 30-Dec-11 07:02 PM, #97
Reply The only time people complain about sleeks ..., Bell, 30-Dec-11 04:58 PM, #93
Reply More solutions, Anghwyr, 30-Dec-11 04:25 PM, #92
Reply Another solution, MoetEtChandon, 30-Dec-11 01:32 PM, #81
Reply RE: Wand lists, etc., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 11:02 AM, #60
Reply Ok, I'll bite., tongni12, 30-Dec-11 11:43 AM, #68
     Reply RE: Ok, I'll bite., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 01:00 PM, #76
     Reply No, but I remember them, tongni12, 30-Dec-11 01:28 PM, #80
          Reply RE: No, but I remember them, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 01:41 PM, #85
               Reply Both those were clouds I thought., lasentia, 30-Dec-11 06:04 PM, #96
                    Reply RE: Both those were clouds I thought., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:24 PM, #99
     Reply RE: Ok, I'll bite., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 11:59 AM, #137
          Reply It has been a great run., Alston, 30-Dec-11 12:08 PM, #71
          Reply Hah CF on Ebay!, Rayihn, 30-Dec-11 12:10 PM, #72
               Reply I'd like for you and Daevryn to know, Alston, 30-Dec-11 12:20 PM, #73
               Reply RE: I'd like for you and Daevryn to know, Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 12:24 PM, #74
                    Reply RE: I'd like for you and Daevryn to know, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 01:24 PM, #79
                         Reply I blame Isildur! And a lack of Imm fest!, lasentia, 30-Dec-11 06:00 PM, #95
                              Reply RE: I blame Isildur! And a lack of Imm fest!, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:23 PM, #98
               Reply #### a college fund, Zulg needs beer money :), TMNS, 30-Dec-11 01:33 PM, #82
               Reply RE: Hah CF on Ebay!, Grudan, 30-Dec-11 01:59 PM, #86
          Reply Please don't give up on CF, Valkenar, 30-Dec-11 03:08 PM, #89
          Reply I think your premise is wrong..., Tac, 30-Dec-11 05:03 PM, #94
          Reply Not to sound like a jerk but...., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:53 AM, #143
Reply my attempt at a solution (long), Isildur, 30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #50
Reply Thumbs up from me, Jad_Hoven, 30-Dec-11 10:47 AM, #53
Reply Sleeks already have a level requirement, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 10:56 AM, #56
Reply RE: Sleeks already have a level requirement, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 11:20 AM, #64
     Reply With the illusionary change, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 11:22 AM, #65
          Reply RE: With the illusionary change, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 11:26 AM, #67
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 11:02 AM, #58
Reply So if I want to completely ruin a strong char, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 11:01 AM, #59
Reply RE: So if I want to completely ruin a strong char, Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 11:11 AM, #61
     Reply I can only think of a few items, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 11:19 AM, #63
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Knac, 30-Dec-11 11:15 AM, #62
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Isildur, 30-Dec-11 11:25 AM, #66
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 11:59 AM, #69
     Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Isildur, 30-Dec-11 12:43 PM #75
     Reply I agree with Malakhi., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 01:39 PM, #83
Reply Don't like this., fist-law, 31-Dec-11 06:15 PM, #103
     Reply RE: Don't like this., Daevryn, 31-Dec-11 09:12 PM, #105
     Reply I say quit ####ing around and go for it. Threats and th..., Lhydia, 31-Dec-11 09:17 PM, #106
     Reply That doesn't change the fact, incognito, 01-Jan-12 07:06 AM, #111
          Reply Exactly. Which is why it won't ever actually happen and..., Lhydia, 01-Jan-12 10:44 AM, #112
               Reply RE: Exactly. Which is why it won't ever actually happen..., Rayihn, 01-Jan-12 11:06 AM, #113
                    Reply You're telling me to be less abrasive? , Lhydia, 01-Jan-12 11:53 AM, #114
                         Reply RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? , Daevryn, 01-Jan-12 12:23 PM, #115
                         Reply That makes sense on all counts. , Lhydia, 01-Jan-12 12:35 PM, #116
                         Reply Listen to your condescending comments, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 01:07 AM, #123
                         Reply RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? , N b M, 01-Jan-12 08:14 PM, #118
                              Reply RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? , Isildur, 02-Jan-12 12:25 AM, #119
                         Reply Man you have an ego the size of a battleship Jalim, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 01:06 AM, #122
                         Reply You are getting your worlds mixed up again. , Lhydia, 02-Jan-12 10:11 AM, #127
                              Reply Except nobody is selling anything..., Twist, 02-Jan-12 10:16 AM, #128
                                   Reply There you go again Twist, saying it better than me, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 10:48 AM, #129
                         Reply ~~ n/t, Alston, 02-Jan-12 04:29 AM, #124
     Reply RE: Don't like this., Isildur, 01-Jan-12 12:07 AM, #108
          Reply Twist threw out his back. nt, Artificial, 01-Jan-12 12:23 AM, #109
     Reply RE: Don't like this., Malakhi, 01-Jan-12 07:38 PM, #117
          Reply RE: Don't like this., fist-law, 02-Jan-12 04:33 AM, #125
               Reply RE: Don't like this., Malakhi, 02-Jan-12 04:55 AM, #126
Reply I like this solution, Cenatar_, 30-Dec-11 03:04 PM, #88
Reply ZULG: Please remember that we all love this game., Alston, 30-Dec-11 10:16 AM, #48
Reply Well said, MoetEtChandon, 30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #51
Reply I long ago decided mages do NOT need wands., Alston, 30-Dec-11 10:13 AM, #47
Reply RE: I long ago decided mages do NOT need wands., Cenatar_, 30-Dec-11 02:46 PM, #87
Reply RE: Wand lists, etc., Ghuljun, 30-Dec-11 10:06 AM, #46
Reply is anyone else annoyed, laxman, 30-Dec-11 09:05 AM, #40
Reply I've changed my view a bit, incognito, 30-Dec-11 01:11 AM, #30
Reply One thing that just seems odd to me from your post, Puhguly, 29-Dec-11 09:55 PM, #20
Reply RE: One thing that just seems odd to me from your post, tongni12, 29-Dec-11 10:34 PM, #23
     Reply I like to think I've competed, incognito, 30-Dec-11 01:12 AM, #31
     Reply Not intended as a jab, Puhguly, 30-Dec-11 05:32 AM, #38
Reply My thoughts..., Not An Imm, 29-Dec-11 09:25 PM, #19
Reply I'm with this guy. Less lottery?, Lhydia, 29-Dec-11 10:00 PM, #21
Reply RE: Wand lists, etc., Isildur, 29-Dec-11 08:31 PM, #11
Reply I'm really glad you started this thread., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 07:51 PM, #1
     Reply There isn't a problem, Tsunami, 29-Dec-11 08:04 PM, #5
     Reply RE: I'm really glad you started this thread., tongni12, 29-Dec-11 08:33 PM, #12
          Reply I can jive with your explanation., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 08:43 PM, #15
          Reply People see what they want to see:, tongni12, 29-Dec-11 09:23 PM, #18
          Reply This is a great great post!, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 12:56 AM, #121
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