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Not An ImmThu 29-Dec-11 09:25 PM
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#42182, "My thoughts..."


          

I both love and hate the wand system.

Love it because I have hit the ABS lottery on a couple of characters, and it made those characters pretty successful I think. They could certainly hold their own and go into most PK situations without worrying too much about dying. These are the characters I played out to 400+ hours and kept me interested in the game.

I hate it, because on another 15 or so "unsuccessful" characters, I could only find 1 (or in some cases none) of my ABS wands, causing me to lose interest and give up on otherwise viable characters after frustration sets in at the 100 hour mark. For these characters, every fight was a struggle since I was always up against foes that had the damage resistance, while I had to burn limited wands or avoid them entirely. Or I can dump tons of points into attunement edges and feel like I crippled my character that way.

That's at least 1000 hours of being cursed with poor ABS locations, or no locations at all, and it really kills my desire to play considering my already limited time.

I didn't mind sinking that trial and error exploration time in when I was failing out of college and grouped with mortal versions Twist or Nep or even Strahd back in the old days, but nowadays I can't commit to the thousands of hours it would take to get me on par with the people who share the lists and have the knowledge about these kinds of secrets.

I'm not sure what the solution is, as it's a pretty big part about why we all love CF in that it's so rich in detail and rewarding of exploration and persistence. But to keep the interest and appeal of an aging and dwindling player base, I think eventually some compromises are going to have to be made to narrow the gap between the knowledgable "Elites" and the casual players who just need to escape from the real world a few hours a week.

  

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HOT Locked TopicWand lists, etc. [View all] , tongni12, Tue 03-Jan-12 03:22 PM
Reply A suggestion, Krathreal, 04-Jan-12 02:54 AM, #138
Reply Don't worry..., Jhyrbian, 03-Jan-12 02:56 AM, #136
Reply RE: Don't worry..., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:59 AM, #144
Reply Don't worry..., Zulghinlour, 29-Dec-11 07:54 PM, #100
Reply Rolling a rager. nt, Artificial, 29-Dec-11 07:58 PM, #2
Reply Right on lets do dis #### nt, Runaktla, 31-Dec-11 10:07 PM, #107
Reply Ah, the Napalm strategy., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 07:59 PM, #3
Reply I'm not joking..., Zulghinlour, 29-Dec-11 08:04 PM, #4
     Reply On the contrary, it's a win/win, Tsunami, 29-Dec-11 08:07 PM, #6
     Reply I love you, so please don't take this as argumentative., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 08:11 PM, #7
     Reply RE: I love you, so please don't take this as argumentat..., Isildur, 29-Dec-11 08:36 PM, #13
          Reply Again, this involves treating the symptoms, not the dis..., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 08:53 PM, #16
               Reply RE: Again, this involves treating the symptoms, not the..., Isildur, 29-Dec-11 09:01 PM, #17
                    Reply Sulye would have been nerfed or denied under what I pro..., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 05:04 AM, #35
                         Reply RE: Sulye would have been nerfed or denied under what I..., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:47 AM, #42
                              Reply Forgive me. I was drunk last night. Thank god I didn'..., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 01:21 PM, #78
     Reply I like this idea, Elerosse, 29-Dec-11 08:24 PM, #10
     Reply Depends:, tongni12, 29-Dec-11 08:40 PM, #14
     Reply RE: Depends:, Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 12:19 AM, #28
          Reply And you say we players are emotional., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 05:09 AM, #36
          Reply Its like the doomsday switch, Oldril, 31-Dec-11 05:36 PM, #101
     Reply Best. Santa Zulg. Ever., Scrimbul, 29-Dec-11 11:15 PM, #24
     Reply Yep, AXera, 29-Dec-11 11:53 PM, #26
          Reply This is assuming a LOT., Tesline, 04-Jan-12 01:42 PM, #139
     Reply How is this any better than just making the prep knowle..., Gaplemo, 29-Dec-11 11:41 PM, #25
     Reply RE: How is this any better than just making the prep kn..., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 12:18 AM, #27
          Reply RE: How is this any better than just making the prep kn..., Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 12:49 AM, #29
          Reply Of course, Gaplemo, 30-Dec-11 01:21 AM, #32
          Reply Why not just stop all the secrecy then?, Oldril, 31-Dec-11 05:37 PM, #102
               Reply That's naive, incognito, 01-Jan-12 07:08 AM, #110
                    Reply Of course., Oldril, 02-Jan-12 12:54 AM, #120
                         Reply RE: Of course., incognito, 02-Jan-12 07:03 PM, #133
     Reply It's about damn time, Grudan, 30-Dec-11 05:01 AM, #34
     Reply I like this idea IF.... You leave the store bought prep..., Alston, 30-Dec-11 10:06 AM, #45
     Reply RE: I'm not joking..., The Heretic, 30-Dec-11 04:08 PM, #91
     Reply Longer fights, Lightmage, 02-Jan-12 11:44 AM, #130
     Reply Please see my newbie boosts on Gameplay, incognito, 02-Jan-12 07:28 PM, #135
     Reply Please remove preps for a week or two., Void, 25-Jan-12 09:44 PM, #140
     Reply RE: I'm not joking..., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:48 AM, #142
Reply It doesn't sound like a horrible idea., Lhydia, 29-Dec-11 08:15 PM, #8
Reply DO IT, Gaspar, 29-Dec-11 08:17 PM, #9
Reply I like that people race for it, incognito, 02-Jan-12 03:48 PM, #131
Reply Hahaha!, Conundrum, 29-Dec-11 10:31 PM, #22
Reply Please come back. We miss you Panda., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 05:10 AM, #37
Reply Please don't punish us for a few jerks :(, highbutterfly, 30-Dec-11 03:55 AM, #33
Reply I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., DurNominator, 30-Dec-11 07:19 AM, #39
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Rayihn, 30-Dec-11 09:16 AM, #41
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Elerosse, 30-Dec-11 09:50 AM, #43
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:51 AM, #44
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., Rayihn, 30-Dec-11 10:31 AM, #52
Reply Actually, I'm not sarcastic. , DurNominator, 30-Dec-11 10:49 AM, #55
Reply RE: I have a better idea, for sleeks in particular., JoeCloud, 30-Dec-11 01:12 PM, #77
     Reply What about strengthening detect artifact?, JoeCloud, 30-Dec-11 04:03 PM, #90
Reply Add more wand locations and the advantage of having a w..., DurNominator, 30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #49
Reply Horrible idea, Cenatar_, 30-Dec-11 01:40 PM, #84
Reply I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Amberion, 30-Dec-11 10:48 AM, #54
Reply RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 10:57 AM, #57
     Reply RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Elerosse, 30-Dec-11 12:04 PM, #70
     Reply RE: I can sense the temptation in that, but..., Kamuela_, 31-Dec-11 08:41 PM, #104
     Reply As someone who likes to play elves and dark elves, incognito, 02-Jan-12 03:52 PM, #132
Reply Umm, incognito, 02-Jan-12 07:17 PM, #134
Reply RE: Umm, Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 05:11 AM, #145
Reply I endorse this solution., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:44 AM, #141
Reply Wow, this whole thing really got out of hand., TripHitNdip (Anonymous), 30-Dec-11 07:02 PM, #97
Reply The only time people complain about sleeks ..., Bell, 30-Dec-11 04:58 PM, #93
Reply More solutions, Anghwyr, 30-Dec-11 04:25 PM, #92
Reply Another solution, MoetEtChandon, 30-Dec-11 01:32 PM, #81
Reply RE: Wand lists, etc., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 11:02 AM, #60
Reply Ok, I'll bite., tongni12, 30-Dec-11 11:43 AM, #68
     Reply RE: Ok, I'll bite., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 01:00 PM, #76
     Reply No, but I remember them, tongni12, 30-Dec-11 01:28 PM, #80
          Reply RE: No, but I remember them, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 01:41 PM, #85
               Reply Both those were clouds I thought., lasentia, 30-Dec-11 06:04 PM, #96
                    Reply RE: Both those were clouds I thought., Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:24 PM, #99
     Reply RE: Ok, I'll bite., Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 11:59 AM, #137
          Reply It has been a great run., Alston, 30-Dec-11 12:08 PM, #71
          Reply Hah CF on Ebay!, Rayihn, 30-Dec-11 12:10 PM, #72
               Reply I'd like for you and Daevryn to know, Alston, 30-Dec-11 12:20 PM, #73
               Reply RE: I'd like for you and Daevryn to know, Daevryn, 30-Dec-11 12:24 PM, #74
                    Reply RE: I'd like for you and Daevryn to know, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 01:24 PM, #79
                         Reply I blame Isildur! And a lack of Imm fest!, lasentia, 30-Dec-11 06:00 PM, #95
                              Reply RE: I blame Isildur! And a lack of Imm fest!, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 09:23 PM, #98
               Reply #### a college fund, Zulg needs beer money :), TMNS, 30-Dec-11 01:33 PM, #82
               Reply RE: Hah CF on Ebay!, Grudan, 30-Dec-11 01:59 PM, #86
          Reply Please don't give up on CF, Valkenar, 30-Dec-11 03:08 PM, #89
          Reply I think your premise is wrong..., Tac, 30-Dec-11 05:03 PM, #94
          Reply Not to sound like a jerk but...., Eskelian, 26-Jan-12 04:53 AM, #143
Reply my attempt at a solution (long), Isildur, 30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #50
Reply Thumbs up from me, Jad_Hoven, 30-Dec-11 10:47 AM, #53
Reply Sleeks already have a level requirement, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 10:56 AM, #56
Reply RE: Sleeks already have a level requirement, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 11:20 AM, #64
     Reply With the illusionary change, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 11:22 AM, #65
          Reply RE: With the illusionary change, Isildur, 30-Dec-11 11:26 AM, #67
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 11:02 AM, #58
Reply So if I want to completely ruin a strong char, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 11:01 AM, #59
Reply RE: So if I want to completely ruin a strong char, Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 11:11 AM, #61
     Reply I can only think of a few items, Artificial, 30-Dec-11 11:19 AM, #63
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Knac, 30-Dec-11 11:15 AM, #62
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Isildur, 30-Dec-11 11:25 AM, #66
Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Malakhi, 30-Dec-11 11:59 AM, #69
     Reply RE: my attempt at a solution (long), Isildur, 30-Dec-11 12:43 PM, #75
     Reply I agree with Malakhi., TMNS, 30-Dec-11 01:39 PM, #83
Reply Don't like this., fist-law, 31-Dec-11 06:15 PM, #103
     Reply RE: Don't like this., Daevryn, 31-Dec-11 09:12 PM, #105
     Reply I say quit ####ing around and go for it. Threats and th..., Lhydia, 31-Dec-11 09:17 PM, #106
     Reply That doesn't change the fact, incognito, 01-Jan-12 07:06 AM, #111
          Reply Exactly. Which is why it won't ever actually happen and..., Lhydia, 01-Jan-12 10:44 AM, #112
               Reply RE: Exactly. Which is why it won't ever actually happen..., Rayihn, 01-Jan-12 11:06 AM, #113
                    Reply You're telling me to be less abrasive? , Lhydia, 01-Jan-12 11:53 AM, #114
                         Reply RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? , Daevryn, 01-Jan-12 12:23 PM, #115
                         Reply That makes sense on all counts. , Lhydia, 01-Jan-12 12:35 PM, #116
                         Reply Listen to your condescending comments, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 01:07 AM, #123
                         Reply RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? , N b M, 01-Jan-12 08:14 PM, #118
                              Reply RE: You're telling me to be less abrasive? , Isildur, 02-Jan-12 12:25 AM, #119
                         Reply Man you have an ego the size of a battleship Jalim, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 01:06 AM, #122
                         Reply You are getting your worlds mixed up again. , Lhydia, 02-Jan-12 10:11 AM, #127
                              Reply Except nobody is selling anything..., Twist, 02-Jan-12 10:16 AM, #128
                                   Reply There you go again Twist, saying it better than me, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 10:48 AM, #129
                         Reply ~~ n/t, Alston, 02-Jan-12 04:29 AM, #124
     Reply RE: Don't like this., Isildur, 01-Jan-12 12:07 AM, #108
          Reply Twist threw out his back. nt, Artificial, 01-Jan-12 12:23 AM, #109
     Reply RE: Don't like this., Malakhi, 01-Jan-12 07:38 PM, #117
          Reply RE: Don't like this., fist-law, 02-Jan-12 04:33 AM, #125
               Reply RE: Don't like this., Malakhi, 02-Jan-12 04:55 AM, #126
Reply I like this solution, Cenatar_, 30-Dec-11 03:04 PM, #88
Reply ZULG: Please remember that we all love this game., Alston, 30-Dec-11 10:16 AM, #48
Reply Well said, MoetEtChandon, 30-Dec-11 10:24 AM, #51
Reply I long ago decided mages do NOT need wands., Alston, 30-Dec-11 10:13 AM, #47
Reply RE: I long ago decided mages do NOT need wands., Cenatar_, 30-Dec-11 02:46 PM, #87
Reply RE: Wand lists, etc., Ghuljun, 30-Dec-11 10:06 AM, #46
Reply is anyone else annoyed, laxman, 30-Dec-11 09:05 AM, #40
Reply I've changed my view a bit, incognito, 30-Dec-11 01:11 AM, #30
Reply One thing that just seems odd to me from your post, Puhguly, 29-Dec-11 09:55 PM, #20
Reply RE: One thing that just seems odd to me from your post, tongni12, 29-Dec-11 10:34 PM, #23
     Reply I like to think I've competed, incognito, 30-Dec-11 01:12 AM, #31
     Reply Not intended as a jab, Puhguly, 30-Dec-11 05:32 AM, #38
Reply My thoughts..., Not An Imm, 29-Dec-11 09:25 PM #19
Reply I'm with this guy. Less lottery?, Lhydia, 29-Dec-11 10:00 PM, #21
Reply RE: Wand lists, etc., Isildur, 29-Dec-11 08:31 PM, #11
Reply I'm really glad you started this thread., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 07:51 PM, #1
     Reply There isn't a problem, Tsunami, 29-Dec-11 08:04 PM, #5
     Reply RE: I'm really glad you started this thread., tongni12, 29-Dec-11 08:33 PM, #12
          Reply I can jive with your explanation., TMNS, 29-Dec-11 08:43 PM, #15
          Reply People see what they want to see:, tongni12, 29-Dec-11 09:23 PM, #18
          Reply This is a great great post!, Oldril, 02-Jan-12 12:56 AM, #121
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