>>Tac Hands/Exotics Fire Giant Outlander: Couldn't take the
>>Executioner while unwanted without at least 1 rest. Mostly
>it
>>just wasn't even a possibility... I'd have put this one
>high
>>on my list for killing a non-casting mob, but I didn't prep
>>much (at all) with him.
>
>Not a great tank; more the kind of character that wins PKs
>because he does so much damage the other guy runs out of hit
>points first. It's hard for that kind of style to stand up to
>guardian HP.

See.. I was thinking exotics with the hour legacy would make him a very good tank... Especially when I later fought Abernyte's? fire giant exotic user who tanked Nefla better then anyone (I caught him AFK once, and still almost lost). Obviously I overestimate the defensive portion of hour.

>>Juol: Tac2 Hands/Swords Fire Giant Outlander: Same as tac,
>>possibly worse, hard to say since this character was ruined
>>before he spent much time at hero.
>
>I think this character probably could've done it once up to
>speed.

I have bitterness here. I'm leaving it alone.

>>Nefla: Pre-barrier/regen changes I could take down the
>>Executioner pretty handily through prep + regen + shifting
>>between cobra and tiger, and post she was still a viable
>>raider and explorer, but mostly because cobra regen and
>>because the cheetah had better defenses than the lion.
>
>Yeah, that's about what I'd expect -- tiger is a good tank for
>an offense form, but that's not saying much. It'd need a lot
>of healing to do it solo in one go, and cobra provides that
>nicely.

Yea, but the regen changes hurt

>>Fordun: Goodie dwarf tribbie, flails and maces,
>sanc/healing
>>pendant + gates + pretty heavy prep usage. I couldn't raid
>>Outlander for #### with him. I *assumed* I would have
>enough
>>DR/Healing to take on the spirit, but that wasn't true, and
>it
>>tore me up the few times I tried it without a bunch of help.
>
>I think this character'd be able to do it with some of the
>right tactical choices. Picking the right weapons to wield
>for the Spirit would be one of the biggest. It shouldn't be
>too hard to find a couple maces that'd work pretty well and
>rock out the drum.
>
>Note, I'd expect maledictions to just not go his way once in a
>while and have him be forced to retreat, but I think you
>should be able to do it in one go let's say 80% of the time.

I tried to keep some wood/non-metal weapons on me for the Spirit, but frankly, even with divine saves, I lost the malediction battle more times then not... He was probably the worst tanking character I've ever played, and then I see very similar builds in battle or whatever tanking much better. I guess weapon practice would have helped a lot with him, but I suck at it.

>> Name I can't remember): Empire dagger mace arial, balance
>of
>>sisters and striking (didn't get to striking). She was very
>>useful in PK, but the maran inner's divine retribution
>>destroyed me the few times I went in with Hunsobo... She
>was
>>very useful in PK, but I didn't really expect much in the
>mob
>>fighting/exploring area.
>
>Yeah, dagger is another one of those 'sort of a good tank
>against PCs because they run out of hp first' kinds of things
>that doesn't really stand up well enough to a guardian. Your
>legacies also are purely PK focused and not particularly
>useful for fighting mobs.
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with building a character
>that way, just, you know what you're getting.)

I wasn't expecting much in guardian/mob fighting, but I also wasn't expecting the complete beat down that divine retribution dished out to this character. Some of that could have been saves and low level, but I'm thinking it's more how divine ret is set up (which I don't fully udnerstand) and how this characters pk's went.

>>Noellia: Wood-elf Bard, Nexus. I could pretty much stand
>at
>>the big D all day and not have to worry about him killing
>me,
>>but then I wasn't really doing a lot of damage that way
>>either... She was a very mixed bag as far as exploring
>goes,
>>high defense, but low offense output. She did alright, but
>>work killed her before I had a chance to hero and really get
>>out there exploring like I intended.
>
>I think this character'd be able to do most of the guardians
>given enough time, but you're right in that there's not a lot
>of pure damage coming out of a bard and she'd probably shine
>more in a group vs. group kind of raid. There are angles you
>could work here to put out the damage faster, but in general
>raiding solo with a bard is sloooow. It still generally can
>be done in one go if you save your mana for healing and just
>beat it down hand to hand, but...
>
>Bards look a little better vs. the cabals with multiple
>lower-hp guardians (Nexus, Empire).
>
>>I thought about putting this in an email just to you
>instead,
>>but apparently you don't care for email
>
>I'm bad at answering it, and my mailbox is full a lot.
>
>Plus, whenever possible I think it's good for everyone to see
>this kind of discussion and learn from it -- whether you agree
>with my assessment or not, maybe I've raised some points you
>didn't consider.

I agree... Mind sharing what kinds of character you tend to play that have good success vs. guardians? It seems to me that other than something with a large amount of innate healing ability, you're really going to struggle vs inners, but then what do I know?