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DogeTue 27-Nov-07 12:31 PM
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#19820, "RE: Cabals"


          

>1) How can we make cabals more accessible to new players,
>without diluting their nature or reducing the appeal of being
>caballed? For example, if we let everyone pick their cabal
>and instantly join in the academy, cabals would be a ton more
>accessible, but I'm not sure that'd be worth the price.

Allow, for most cabals, automatic induction at, for sake of discussion, level 20. Then apply the maxim of easy in, easy out. This would need to be tailored to each cabal. Scion and Scarab would not likely see any change --too secretive and small. Empire is fine as is, i.e., take the Oath and prove your worth. Village took a step in this direction with the change to Applicants. However, I would go further in terms of automation. I believe it is easy for an immortal to check if a wannabe villager has a mage kill or two. I would move one more step and allow the wannabe to visit the giant and ask for applicant status. Make the mage kill check fully automatic (maybe a magic gear check as well). That's it. The applicant proves his worth from within, gets to enjoy some of the perks of being in a cabal and also has the responsibilities --help retrieve as applicable and slay applicants of enemy cabals. I can imagine each cabal having a unique take on such applicants and what is needed to move forward (or to get kicked out). I have ideas for automated induction (and criteria) for the other cabals if any imm is interested in hearing them.

>2) How can we create more value to lower level members in
>cabals? The olllld raiding system did a great job of this,
>even if the new raiding system is far superior in every other
>way.

As hinted at above I think they have value. You kill enemy applicants and help defend/retrieve as needed. Having to defend/retrieve is a necessary drawback to being in a cabal (with full or partial membership). And the level 20 cap makes such applicants useful I think. I also believe this is a nice progression for newer players. Learn the ropes in the academy and environs, come of age at level 11, learn to survive plus flesh out character and (hopefully) role by level 20 such that you gain applicant status at the cabal that fits your role... Beyond that you must grow and prove your worth to get full status.

One other thought, many (and I do this too) do not join a cabal until late as it interferes with leveling. That is fine but then the trade-off is that you can not take advantage of the auto induction route. This can only be done at level 20 (or some smaller range). But this point does not speak to the new player so I think it's a non issue anyway.

  

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HOT TopicCabals [View all] , Daevryn, Sun 25-Nov-07 09:10 PM
Reply RE: Cabals, Eskelian, 03-Dec-07 02:49 AM, #100
Reply My thoughts..., trewyn, 27-Nov-07 11:03 PM, #72
Reply I agree that getting inducted should not be time consum..., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 09:33 AM, #77
Reply RE: Cabals, Doge, 27-Nov-07 12:31 PM #60
Reply Changes to cabal raiding I would like to see, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 06:54 AM, #56
Reply Continued, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 10:06 AM, #59
     Reply I think this might have some merit, and is certainly ea..., Quixotic, 27-Nov-07 01:14 PM, #62
     Reply RE: Continued, _Magus_, 27-Nov-07 02:58 PM, #63
          Reply RE: Continued, Tac, 27-Nov-07 03:52 PM, #64
          Reply RE: Continued, Daevryn, 27-Nov-07 04:13 PM, #66
               Reply That's just the thing., elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 05:06 PM, #67
               Reply RE: That's just the thing., Daevryn, 27-Nov-07 05:14 PM, #68
                    Reply I'm not talking about scaled effects though, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 07:09 PM, #69
                         Reply It's just... too complicated., Terwin05, 27-Nov-07 08:39 PM, #70
                              Reply Well, just ditch whatever I said about raiding empty ca..., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 03:54 AM, #76
               Reply Show me your log of you solo'ing the Scion Archmage ple..., trewyn, 27-Nov-07 10:52 PM, #71
               Reply I was able to solo the Archmage rather easily..., _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 03:02 AM, #74
               Reply I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 09:47 AM, #78
               Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 10:20 AM, #79
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 10:53 AM, #80
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 02:01 PM, #87
                    Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Tac, 28-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #91
                         Reply RE: I've got to ask then...., Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:35 PM, #96
                    Reply Not to get off on too much of a tangent, _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 02:20 PM, #88
                    Reply RE: Not to get off on too much of a tangent, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #89
                    Reply Builds that will destroy inners., elmeri_, 28-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #90
                    Reply Ok, help. What am I missing?, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 12:50 PM, #81
                         Reply try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Trouble, 28-Nov-07 01:13 PM, #82
                         Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 01:21 PM, #84
                         Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 03:05 PM, #93
                              Reply RE: try a ranger if you want real humility in raiding, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:26 PM, #95
                         Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 01:18 PM, #83
                              Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Adhelard, 28-Nov-07 03:03 PM, #92
                                   Reply RE: Ok, help. What am I missing?, Daevryn, 28-Nov-07 03:23 PM, #94
                                        Reply Ok, thanks., Adhelard, 29-Nov-07 06:23 PM, #98
               Reply RE: Continued, TJHuron, 30-Nov-07 12:55 AM, #99
          Reply They would not be able to slay it at will, elmeri_, 27-Nov-07 04:06 PM, #65
Reply Generalizing the problem, Terwin05, 26-Nov-07 02:09 PM, #42
Reply RE: Generalizing the problem, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 02:16 PM, #45
Reply RE: Outposts, DurNominator, 26-Nov-07 03:58 PM, #49
Reply I like Magus and Boon's combined Ideas., Dragomir, 26-Nov-07 01:45 PM, #38
Reply RE: I like Magus and Boon's combined Ideas., _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 02:04 PM, #41
Reply RE: Cabals, Twist, 26-Nov-07 11:21 AM, #22
Reply Another cause is pb caution, Theerkla, 26-Nov-07 11:31 AM, #23
Reply RE: Another cause is pb caution, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 11:40 AM, #24
     Reply RE: Another cause is pb caution, Torak, 26-Nov-07 01:05 PM, #30
Reply RE: Cabals, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 12:01 PM, #25
Reply Well there you go..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Well there you go..., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 12:41 PM, #27
     Reply You aren't the only one..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 12:57 PM, #28
     Reply RE: You aren't the only one..., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:12 PM, #33
     Reply Almost been there, done that.., Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:04 PM, #31
     Reply RE: Almost been there, done that.., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:10 PM, #32
          Reply Hmm, wonder where I got that from., Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:30 PM, #35
               Reply RE: Hmm, wonder where I got that from., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 01:43 PM, #37
                    Reply Heh, you missed the important part..., Tac, 26-Nov-07 02:11 PM, #44
                         Reply How about more rewarding in general? -nt-, Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 04:08 PM, #51
                              Reply I think there's been less rewarding since the installme..., _Magus_, 28-Nov-07 03:35 AM, #75
     Reply Nope!!, trewyn, 27-Nov-07 11:36 PM, #73
     Reply Dont do it please and here is why, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 01:01 PM, #29
Reply Glass Houses + Brick = goofy idea on retrieval, UncleArzzra, 26-Nov-07 01:52 PM, #39
Reply RE: Cabals, Kalageadon, 28-Nov-07 05:15 PM, #97
Reply RE: Cabals, Chalupah, 12-Dec-07 04:16 PM, #102
Reply RE: Cabals, incognito, 26-Nov-07 03:48 AM, #15
Reply I concur, ORB, 26-Nov-07 04:42 AM, #16
Reply I may be mistaken but, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 05:21 AM, #17
Reply I'm talking most people in the cabal by lvl 15. not an ..., ORB, 27-Nov-07 08:31 AM, #57
Reply RE: Getting back to the good ole' days:, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 08:17 PM, #55
Reply Eh:, Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 08:58 AM, #19
     Reply RE: Eh:, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 09:38 AM, #20
     Reply The Five Magics, Twist, 26-Nov-07 11:00 AM, #21
          Reply Nice story..., Dervish, 26-Nov-07 01:13 PM, #34
          Reply RE: Nice story..., Twist, 26-Nov-07 03:38 PM, #48
          Reply The *real* Five Magics, Trouble, 26-Nov-07 01:42 PM, #36
               Reply You were in charge of both..., Twist, 26-Nov-07 03:34 PM, #47
                    Reply Only if you use the phrase 'in charge' loosely., Trouble, 28-Nov-07 01:40 PM, #85
                         Reply Poofin..., Twist, 28-Nov-07 01:46 PM, #86
     Reply RE: Eh:, incognito, 26-Nov-07 02:38 PM, #46
Reply Some ideas for you, Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 01:39 AM, #13
Reply Is there any love for this idea? If yes, I will build o..., Mekantos, 26-Nov-07 04:03 PM, #50
     Reply I don't speak for everyone, but..., Twist, 27-Nov-07 09:06 AM, #58
Reply Suggestions, Torak, 25-Nov-07 11:24 PM, #9
Reply a few points and ideas, Quixotic, 25-Nov-07 10:43 PM, #6
Reply RE: a few points and ideas, Daevryn, 25-Nov-07 10:55 PM, #7
     Reply True., Quixotic, 25-Nov-07 11:05 PM, #8
Reply Two answers:, UncleArzzra, 25-Nov-07 10:25 PM, #4
Reply Re: Cabal Reputation, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 10:32 PM, #5
Reply RE: Cabals, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 09:52 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Cabals, Boon, 25-Nov-07 10:32 PM, #2
     Reply Cool. Thanks for expounding on the idea. ~, _Magus_, 25-Nov-07 10:16 PM, #3
     Reply Your idea deserves merit at the least., Derexal, 25-Nov-07 11:26 PM, #10
     Reply RE: Your idea deserves merit at the least., _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 02:09 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Cabals, silencedstatik, 26-Nov-07 12:37 AM, #11
     Reply RE: Skill ideas?, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 01:01 AM, #12
     Reply I dont like it., Dervish, 26-Nov-07 03:31 AM, #14
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Daevryn, 26-Nov-07 08:56 AM, #18
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Amaranthe, 27-Nov-07 12:32 PM, #61
     Reply RE: I dont like it., Lyristeon, 26-Nov-07 04:26 PM, #52
          Reply Hey, said "A" say "B"?, Dervish, 26-Nov-07 04:57 PM, #53
               Reply RE: Unique bonuses, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 08:12 PM, #54
     Reply An added thought:, _Magus_, 26-Nov-07 01:59 PM, #40
     Reply I don't like this..., Eskelian, 03-Dec-07 03:03 AM, #101
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