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SaagkriFri 14-Jun-19 06:08 PM
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#73373, "RE: What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyone say they suck at hero?"
Edited on Fri 14-Jun-19 06:12 PM

          

I'd love to write something up that's more comprehensive, but for now I'll just list a couple of ways they've been nerfed since the class was redone into paths.

- Used to be able to lead with weapontrip.
- Advanced lockpicking no longer opens what it used to.
- People/mobs now wake up and attack when you try to steal even after you knock them out
- Gentle walk used to be more powerful (Yes, it was probably not as intended)
- The best thief edge (DV) is just about unobtainable*

*1500 IMM XP. as a prereq. for 10 thief points. That will buy you shield block if you want it. How many hours are people usually at when they hit 1500 IMM xp if ever? Since we don't know how many edge points it takes, that means no edges until you get it. I had a thief with 2xDV years ago. Now, I assume it doesn't exist.

I know there have been others, but I'd have to dig to find out.

  

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HOT TopicGive all thieves general skills? [View all] , Sertius, Tue 11-Jun-19 04:49 PM
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, Aylosi, 28-Jul-19 05:32 AM, #43
Reply That makes them more like stealth warriors, incognito, 28-Jul-19 01:55 PM, #44
     Reply 10 points is a high cost, lasentia, 30-Jul-19 11:56 AM, #45
          Reply RE: 10 points is a high cost, incognito, 31-Jul-19 01:37 PM, #46
Reply With fewer players, thieves are less fun, Amortis, 23-Jul-19 01:34 PM, #41
Reply RE: With fewer players, thieves are less fun, Ishuli, 23-Jul-19 07:19 PM, #42
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, Caecilius et al (Anonymous), 19-Jun-19 08:58 AM, #37
Reply I'd love to pick your brain., Quixotic, 20-Jun-19 12:50 PM, #38
Reply RE: I'd love to pick your brain., Caecilius et al (Anonymous), 23-Jun-19 04:08 PM, #39
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, Thaedan (Anonymous), 30-Jun-19 06:27 PM, #40
Reply Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form., Saagkri, 15-Jun-19 10:05 AM, #28
Reply RE: Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form., Ishuli, 15-Jun-19 10:27 AM, #29
     Reply RE: Some thief tweaking ideas in bullet form., Saagkri, 15-Jun-19 11:39 AM, #30
          Reply So you want to nerf pickpockets, Bemused, 16-Jun-19 04:45 AM, #31
               Reply Quite the contrary, Saagkri, 16-Jun-19 05:18 AM, #32
                    Reply Your butthurt is showing, Bemused, 16-Jun-19 05:22 AM, #33
                         Reply Are you having a bad day?, Saagkri, 16-Jun-19 05:44 AM, #34
Reply You all need to stop thinking that thieves should be a ..., Bemused, 14-Jun-19 06:57 PM, #23
Reply Nice straw man, Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 11:56 PM, #24
     Reply This is closer to a valid argument imo, Destuvius, 15-Jun-19 04:48 AM, #26
          Reply RE: This is closer to a valid argument imo, Saagkri, 15-Jun-19 05:48 AM, #27
Reply What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyone sa..., Destuvius, 14-Jun-19 05:09 PM, #21
Reply RE: What exactly is it about thieves that makes everyon..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 06:12 PM #22
Reply RE: Give all thieves general skills?, robdarken_, 11-Jun-19 07:09 PM, #3
Reply Nah, Onewingedangel, 11-Jun-19 06:05 PM, #2
Reply I wouldn't say that is where they are strongest, incognito, 12-Jun-19 12:56 AM, #4
Reply I'm against this. NT, Ishuli, 11-Jun-19 05:09 PM, #1
     Reply That's a rather blanket statement, Sertius, 12-Jun-19 11:51 AM, #5
          Reply RE: That's a rather blanket statement, Ishuli, 12-Jun-19 02:12 PM, #6
               Reply Easy Fix, Wasted, 12-Jun-19 05:13 PM, #7
               Reply My choice would be more unpopular., Ishuli, 12-Jun-19 05:38 PM, #8
                    Reply Because that would accomplish nothing?, Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 09:37 AM, #14
                         Reply I think you and she (and you and I) just disagree about..., Mcbeth, 14-Jun-19 03:40 PM, #17
                              Reply I disagree about shifters..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 04:57 PM, #20
               Reply What's special about a rager thief with climb?, incognito, 13-Jun-19 02:44 PM, #9
               Reply Convenience., Ishuli, 13-Jun-19 03:02 PM, #10
               Reply As someone who has had a climb rager..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 09:06 AM, #12
               Reply I specifically go to the Mines of Zakiim... , SPN, 13-Jun-19 10:59 PM, #11
               Reply Thieves are woefully underpowered..., Saagkri, 14-Jun-19 09:18 AM, #13
               Reply Other thing to mention is, incognito, 14-Jun-19 11:28 AM, #15
               Reply RE: Thieves are woefully underpowered..., robdarken_, 15-Jun-19 02:31 AM, #25
                    Reply Most classes can flush a thief, incognito, 16-Jun-19 02:36 PM, #35
                         Reply re threats to assassins, Quixotic, 18-Jun-19 08:50 PM, #36
               Reply Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange, Sertius, 14-Jun-19 03:36 PM, #16
                    Reply RE: Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange, Mcbeth, 14-Jun-19 03:41 PM, #18
                         Reply RE: Put steal in pickpocket path in exchange, incognito, 14-Jun-19 04:49 PM, #19
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