Zesam | Fri 20-Jul-07 07:10 PM |
Member since 04th Jun 2007
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#1199, "RE: US Citizen and their government"
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I'm not saying that taxation is not needed. I firmly believe that it is. A lot of people are helped by this system. I simply think it's a very flawed system. No, I'm not extremely educated in various governments and even a ton of our own laws. I simply know what I see every day. I see every day how one family that worked so hard to simply be middle class is shunned at old age, while young families that have never worked are given so much. I can pull out tons and I do mean tons of examples of how tax dollars from working families are abused and not given to people that worked so hard to be able to benefit from them.
I'll give you one real example. I have personally seen a young healthy man of 19 who doesn't have any children be able to draw almost 200 bucks a month in food stamps. He isn't even required to do job counseling to help him find employment. He lives for free with two other guys under the stipulation that he pays the food bill. When of course, he's not paying it the system is. Now, when I think of this man; I remember that 20% of the property taxes that I paid go to help this man and people like him. Let me also mention the county that I live in saw a 20% increase in residential property taxes. If you want to put that in perspective, that 20% increase goes to people like this man.
You can easily argue that taxes bring so much government control, but you have to remember they also help. If I saw more cases of people being helped, then I would not personally complain so much about the system. Yet, when I see so many examples of people being hurt by it rather than help I think it's time for a drastic reformation.
Our government is supposed to be in place to help us, it just isn't in so many ways. It’s very difficult for someone that doesn’t see this with their own eyes to put such things into prospective. There are counties near me where the property taxes are outrageous. Yet, in these counties they can easily see what their money has paid for. They do have some of the best public schools you can find anywhere. They can pay to have excellent teachers. Their roads are clean and flawless etc etc. They also can afford this, because they are upper middle class and higher. These are also the sorts of people that are going to be able to pay for campaigns to run for government positions. To people like this, our tax system is working beautifully. To people like myself that fall into the middle class and lower, our tax system is horrible.
All this being said, I still think taxes are needed. If my taxes allow four 19 year olds to not work but only help one crippled veteran, I can be ok with that. Not fully pleased, but ok with that. We are simply not a country of people that will step up and care for our disabled neighbor, or house our elderly parents. So, government does it for us. You may not agree with the process that government goes through to accomplish this, but something has to give to get it done. Also, think about it this way. Are you going to house your mother when she’s old? Watch over her? Change her when she becomes incontinent? The answer is probably no. At least for a good majority of people it is no. Most people say they have to work, and they simply do not have time. Yet, they have time to enjoy that new car in the driveway, or live in the county with the best schools.
In conclusion, we do not help ourselves nor do we help each other. That’s just how things have gone. You can say government has no business meddling here and there, but would you be happy if they just fed those people really in need to the wolves?
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Freedom in the USA.
[View all] , Eskelian, Tue 17-Jul-07 06:42 PM
Great Discussion,
Kastellyn,
23-Jul-07 01:02 PM, #60
RE: Great Discussion,
Eskelian,
27-Jul-07 04:19 PM, #62
RE: Quitting your job:,
Valguarnera,
18-Jul-07 01:25 PM, #10
RE: Quitting your job:,
Tac,
18-Jul-07 02:02 PM, #12
RE: Quitting your job:,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:35 AM, #26
RE: Quitting your job:,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:33 AM, #25
RE: Quitting your job:,
Zesam,
20-Jul-07 07:12 AM, #47
RE: Quitting your job:,
Eskelian,
20-Jul-07 10:22 AM, #48
Your major omission is:,
Valguarnera,
20-Jul-07 11:03 AM, #49
RE: Your major omission is:,
Eskelian,
21-Jul-07 02:35 AM, #53
RE: Your major omission is:,
Daevryn,
21-Jul-07 08:24 AM, #56
Taxes are fungible in practice.,
Valguarnera,
21-Jul-07 09:15 AM, #57
RE: US Citizen and their government,
Zesam,
20-Jul-07 07:10 PM #50
RE: US Citizen and their government,
Eskelian,
21-Jul-07 02:37 AM, #54
There is no freedom in US,
Dwoggurd,
17-Jul-07 10:19 PM, #2
RE: There is no freedom in US,
Isildur,
18-Jul-07 06:13 PM, #16
Can't you get one at any point?,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 08:10 AM, #20
RE: Can't you get one at any point?,
Isildur,
19-Jul-07 10:14 AM, #33
RE: Can't you get one at any point?,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 10:20 AM, #34
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Khasotholas,
17-Jul-07 08:47 PM, #1
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Eskelian,
17-Jul-07 10:47 PM, #3
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Khasotholas,
18-Jul-07 06:36 AM, #4
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Eskelian,
18-Jul-07 08:26 AM, #5
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Tac,
18-Jul-07 09:00 AM, #6
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Khasotholas,
18-Jul-07 10:12 AM, #7
RE: Freedom in the USA.,
Eskelian,
18-Jul-07 11:20 AM, #8
Taxes pay for things you use.,
Valguarnera,
18-Jul-07 01:05 PM, #9
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
Tac,
18-Jul-07 01:59 PM, #11
RE: Collective responsibility,
Valguarnera,
18-Jul-07 03:17 PM, #13
RE: Collective responsibility,
ORB,
18-Jul-07 04:48 PM, #14
Wachowski logic.,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:53 AM, #30
I liked Clinton.,
GinGa,
18-Jul-07 06:50 PM, #17
RE: I liked Clinton.,
Trilo,
21-Jul-07 06:59 PM, #58
Are you not satisfied with the America he left you?,
DurNominator,
22-Jul-07 03:25 AM, #59
You prefer the dyslexic idiot?,
GinGa,
23-Jul-07 07:13 PM, #61
RE: Collective responsibility,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 08:42 AM, #21
RE: Law Enforcement,
Valguarnera,
19-Jul-07 10:12 AM, #32
RE: Collective responsibility,
Daevryn,
20-Jul-07 08:55 PM, #52
RE: Collective responsibility,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:45 AM, #29
RE: Collective responsibility,
Valguarnera,
19-Jul-07 10:22 AM, #35
RE: Collective responsibility,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 10:41 AM, #36
RE: Defense spending: Ayup,
Valguarnera,
19-Jul-07 11:22 AM, #37
If we're going to talk about spending....,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 01:43 PM, #41
RE: Defense spending: Ayup,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 08:37 PM, #46
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
vargal,
18-Jul-07 05:56 PM, #15
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 09:00 AM, #24
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
Daevryn,
19-Jul-07 07:43 AM, #19
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 08:53 AM, #23
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:39 AM, #27
RE: Taxes pay for things you use.,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:40 AM, #28
Ron Paul,
Khasotholas,
18-Jul-07 08:51 PM, #18
RE: Ron Paul,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 08:50 AM, #22
RE: Ron Paul,
Khasotholas,
19-Jul-07 11:54 AM, #39
RE: Ron Paul,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 01:32 PM, #40
Okay, one more,
Khasotholas,
19-Jul-07 01:57 PM, #42
RE: Okay, one more,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 02:41 PM, #43
Oh dear. You're serious?,
Valguarnera,
19-Jul-07 03:47 PM, #44
I don't...,
Tac,
19-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #45
RE: Ron Paul,
Eskelian,
19-Jul-07 09:56 AM, #31
RE: Ron Paul,
Khasotholas,
19-Jul-07 11:43 AM, #38
RE: Ron Paul,
Daevryn,
20-Jul-07 08:49 PM, #51
RE: Ron Paul,
Eskelian,
21-Jul-07 02:39 AM, #55
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