>- The problem here is, you have already dismissed everyone
>who might disagree with your world view as having an axe to
>grind, but I'll try a bit anyway.
>
>That's not true. If it came across that way, it was
>unintended.
>
>- Regarding your job, and more specifically your income, the
>problem is that an income tax presupposes that the government
>has a right to the fruits of your labor. It is not that taxes
>are new, or even that income taxes are new, but rather that
>they represent a form of slavery. If I brought over a poor
>person from a third world country and told them the price (for
>bringing them here) was that they would pay me 20% of
>everything they make for their lives, I would be arrested and
>likely jailed for enslaving another person. Just because our
>government isn't a private person doesn't give them any more
>right to enslave people than anyone else. Lest my argument be
>derailed because I mentioned slavery, go back to my first
>point, it is the crux of my point.
>
>Sure, if you took 20% of everything from someone and gave them
>nothing in return, something would be terribly wrong. Are you
>saying you get nothing for your taxes? It's good to know you
>have no need of infrastructure at all. As for you comparing
>it to slavery... the mind boggles.

Ok, sure. Lets then replace it with "take 20% of everything you make, pocket 5%, spend another 10% on #### you don't want, 5% on things you do and somehow manage to lose the other 5%, without actually consulting you in the process". Is it less evil then? Maybe then its acceptable?

>- It's only limited by what they think they can get away
>with.
>
>Precisely!
>
>- I think everyone should be much angrier about these things
>than they are.
>
>I think the American population should be angrier, but only if
>that anger is well-directed, and actually is more than just
>helpless anger. It's fair to say most of America is angry
>about our present course in many areas. It's also fair to say
>most of them will do absolutely nothing about it, including
>voting.
>

Its not hard to be fairly disenchanted at the reality of exactly what your vote is worth. I'm voting for Ron Paul in the primaries though. I'm still a registered Republican, even though I'd like to punch them all in the face for ####ing up a triple crown so badly.