If it returns I'll leave.

Unless the "chaotic stupid" character is never allowed entrance. We just got rid of those ####ers, why invite them back in?

Unless the "chaotic stupid" character is never allowed entrance. We just got rid of those ####ers, why invite them back in?

I pretty much agree there.

There were some great characters in Entropy, but for the most part for every great character you got twenty retarded ones.

Who would you say was a great Entropy character..?

Trestar was a good one, dunno about great.

Ygnacio was great.

Cyra was just scary all the time.

Others?

- Tharena

none

Here's my quick stab at the top Entropy characters I remember:

Nighthawk: The best Entropy character of all time, in my opinion. He had a great combination of zaniness and smarts.

Ishmael: My favorite Entropy char. He did a great job IC and he and I were mortals together, so I remember that fondly.

Saher and Trouble: While I'm going through old Entropy Imms, can't ignore them. They were great mentors. Plus Saher gave me that +5/+5 enchanted silver bow from Olympus when I was level 30-something.

Pippin: Did a great job as an early bard and then combining that with Entropy. Plus, it took a lot of guts to post the names of Shadow members.

Kygolas: Honestly, I remember the name and know I liked the character, but I can't remember why now. *smirk*

Satyricon: One of the "Slaves of Pico" whose name I can remember. IIRC, he stuck it out quite awhile.

Zorszaul: I gave him my tattoo, so he couldn't have have been half bad.

Ishmael I only knew as an Imm, but I loved interacting with him.

Kygolas was a bard, I remember that much.. I *think* he was Tharena era, and he drove me crazy.. but I don't remember much more either. Hopefully remembering he was a bard will trigger one of your memories.

Zorszaul I remember avoiding like the plague he was. =) I think I was in Sylvan at the time though, so the only interactions I would have with him was at the end of a sword. But he was definintely legendary.

I remember the rest of the names, but some were before my time, and a few I just plain didn't meet at all.

Thanks for the list!
- Tharena

Okay, to me the flagship of entropy was Ygnacio, and across the board everyone seemed to think that fat drow was great. But to me he was "chaotic stupid" as much as the next entropist. The only difference was that Ygnacio was hysterically funny with his stupidness.

What made an entropist in general, and Ygnacio specifically a good entropist, and not just a shovel parking fool?

That character was more interesting than chaotic stupid from my interactions.

...

>If it returns I'll leave.
>
>Unless the "chaotic stupid" character is never allowed
>entrance. We just got rid of those ####ers, why invite them
>back in?

Well as someone who played a character you'd probably despise as being "chaotic stupid", I'll give a counterargument.

Some people enjoy the kind of characters you think of as chaotic stupid. Just as you hate those sort of zany, funny (maybe not to you) characters, other people hate the ascerbic, arrogant loners that also crop up. Certainly I'd never argue that Chaotic Stupid isn't an apt and reasonable way to describe certain bad characters. And not every character that goes for zany and funny hits the mark, but anym eans. But to me, and a number of other people, these kinds of characters are a lot of fun to be around when they work.

I enjoy cf more when it's not just a bunch of people taking themselves incredibly seriously. There's definitely a place for the dark and brooding necromancers, the righteous and proud paladins and all the other oh-so-serious characters. But there's also room for something a little more light-hearted. I could probably go into a whole rant about how too CF has grown more serious and how there are some drawbacks to that, I won't.

I think you are more or less missing the point.

Entropy was not a club for chaotic stupid characters. There was more to it than that. After all, if you have a chaos cabal where all the members act exactly the same, it's not very chaotic is it?

Speaking of good Entropy chars, I remember you had one, but I can't remember its name.

>Speaking of good Entropy chars, I remember you had one, but I
>can't remember its name.

Zandrumial the nome (healer empoweree of yours).

Since we're on the subject I'll just say thanks again for your part in making that so incredibly fun. I just kinda wish I hadn't sullied it by becoming a lame and disappointing heroimm after you took a chance on me. On the other hand, for me being a heroimm was a great experience and gave me a lot of appreciation for CF and the staff in general. But I said this crap before so I'll shut up now.

I hated dealing with the "shovel" and "turkey leg" type chaotic stupid chars, personally.

But, I understand that some people find them fun to play, and interact with.


But my view is, you can do them just as easily now as you could then.

My beef, was with the whole Entropy cabal being a cabal at all. it just seemed like the height of Hypocracy to me to have a defined Group of supposedly completely chaotic characters.

I found "chaotic stupid" characters some of the most predictable (therefore orderly in my opinion) characters I've ever met in cf.

By all means, play them if you like, I just don't see that you need an organized cabal to do it.


(I looked at the slew of chaotic stupid chars like I look at kids today...trying to show how independant they are by doing the same....exact....things...as...everyone...else) South park did a nice bit on how stupid and hypocritical that was, when I think it was kyle (might have been stan) turned goth for a while.

This is sort of both to you and Nivek who said similar things about how every Entropy character ends up the same. In one sense, that would seem true even if everyone had the same view of chaos and executed their characters to perfection. Entropy, from my perspective, was based on the principle of chaos in an almost mathematical sense. That is, disconnecting cause from effect and just creating a series of events with no interconnectedness. No patterns and no way to predict one moment from the next.

If this is done perfectly, however, people don't perceive it as truly random, they perceive it as being "all the same". It's just a consequence of how our minds work. For example, radio static is pretty much as random as anything you'll ever see, but exactly because there are no patterns, it's interpreted as being all the same.

However that's really just a theoretical ideal, and a character that was truly random wouldn't be any fun to be around, because they'd just be like radio noise. I don't really think any player is going to be capable of that anyway, so it's kind of a moot point. Unfortunately, what happens is that people do fall into patterns of "hey isn't this extra wacky!" This is because it's very hard to be constantly creative and totally inventive, which is sort of what the role demands.

Personally I tried to take the angle that I was basically a normal being with a normal, rational sentient mind, but who was trying to let go of that and approach chaos as nearly as possible despite the limitations imposed. For me this sort of explained away the fact that I, the player, am not really capable of being totally random, even if I wanted to (which I don't).

>By all means, play them if you like, I just don't see that you
>need an organized cabal to do it.

But you don't really need a cabal to do anything. You can be a paladin fighting evil, a warrior fighting magic or any of Thera's other themes without having a cabal. People want there to be a cabal because it gives you something to focus your roleplay around, and similar characters to define yourself against. It's not neccesary, but it's helpful.

Getting inducted into Entropy the first time was the highlight of my CF experience to date. No rules, no regulations, no requirements, just the ability to log in and mess with peoples heads with doppel. I loved doppling leader characters and pretending to be them for a while, I loved doppling a lowbie and walking right up to a hated enemy and just talking to them about random things..there was just a lot about the cabal that was great. I've had my share of chaotic stupid characters in it, but I also had a few really good ones that roleplayed out of the norm things and made a real impact on others.

Entropy was definetly the best thing about this game in my opinion, and I'd buy it back in if I could.