This is definitely a viable RP stance to take, by the way. That is, roleplaying a Goodie who thinks that Muhadin's followers are too extreme. Always like to see conflicting Goodies.

Splntrd

>You cannot have an Immortal who seeks to eliminate or rule
>over all other Immortals (goodly or otherwise) in a world with
>a moral code such as CF, and consider them to be righteous and
>goodly themselves. The fact that this goal is "down the road"
>and/or not a high priority compared to destroying evil doesn't
>change the fact that this religion is in it's essence ungood.

Why? These are two unsupported absolute declarations. One of the tennets is that it's a sin to harm one of the Light: that seems to fit within the moral code (as you see it) of CF.

Why is Muhadin/the religion NOT righteous and goodly? Why is it 'in it's essence ungood'?

The goal is complete erradication of evil: that's the main drive. Provisions are made as to how to deal with other goods getting in your way. As I said, it's a sin to harm another lightwalker. Just because the god doesn't want to play nice in the pantheon, so to speak, why isn't that good? He is directing his and his followers efforts toward a greater good, toward their vision of "how things should be". Don't most of the rest of the gods do that, too? They're just not quite as explicit and hardcore about it. He doesn't say "kill the nonbelieving goods", but just alludes that something is going to have to be done about them and their gods. It makes sense, and it's hardly Imperial-style "convert or die".

>>>>>I don't think I'm the kind of overly sensitive type that will claim anything and everything as offensive, but the idea of a religion based on the tenants outlined above being classified as "good" in the CF universe is something I find in very poor taste.

Your opinion, sir, is in violation of “Extreme Poor Taste”. You have to realize that this is a RP mud. If you have forgotten RP = Role Play. If you can’t do it, go find another.

Did you play when Maran was a religion not a cabal? Shokai, Grurk, Scarab, and few other immortals had different tenants. I didn’t hear you bitching about that. (Sorry for my crude language)

If the religion such a poor taste, no one will follow him and he will run into extinction. Why are you bothering your head?

I had a whole post written out but I do not want to argue with you on such irrelevant subject. When I first saw this religion, I laughed by behind off. I wish Good Luck to Muhadin and his followers. It’s a tough road. Few immortals have done it in the past, you can too.

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muhadin@carrionfields.com

on what makes Muhadin a goodie and what is your take on the alignment? Also, what is the ideal Muhadinist society like?

This is a good question, but it is one I will present to those who follow the religion. I feel it more appropriate to set the very basic guidelines for the religion and allow the players to formulate their own interpretations.

If you are curious, ask any of those with the "Initiate of the Faithful" titles. Then, most of them should be learning as well, and offer a variety of interpretations.

muhadin@carrionfields.com

A question has been haunting me ever since I saw this religion. Maybe I am just coming up with conspiracy theories and such.

You somehow seems like GOOD re-incarnation of Eshval. I know no one will confess. I probably be denied. But this question had been on my mind for tooooooo long.

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So is your question is am I the goodness in Eshval?

Basically, I don't like anyone, mortal or immortal, demon or saint if they do not follow me. I tolerate the other 'goods', but they do not have my same worldview, which makes them rivals for the end result. Generally, Muhadin views others as inept, among other things.

Eshval doesn't give a rat's backside about other religions one way or another, they are all playthings, as are mortals and the world in general.

muhadin@carrionfields.com

>So is your question is am I the goodness in Eshval?

No, his question was whether or not Muhadin and Eshval are played by the same player.

>Basically, I don't like anyone, mortal or immortal, demon or
>saint if they do not follow me. I tolerate the other 'goods',
>but they do not have my same worldview, which makes them
>rivals for the end result. Generally, Muhadin views others as
>inept, among other things.

The tolerating other goods part is important, as it's a requirement for Muhadin's religion actually being good. People weren't sure if Muhadin filled this requirement, so they labeled the religion as evil or neutral.

To answer who is behind the mask does tend to limit my personal RP approach. It additionally may give folks the wrong idea of Muhadin's personality and set them up to expect things that will not happen.

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