The Carrion Fields - Viewing topic #43 - 'Chaotic Stupid' sub-thread from Double XP

Scrimbul	Tue 10-Mar-09 01:45 AM
Member since 22nd Apr 2003 884 posts

#43, "'Chaotic Stupid' sub-thread from Double XP"

*** In the interests of not derailing the thread, I'll move this to your forum. It may even entice some folks to reply. I'd like to see Jalim and some other folks take on it, and frankly I think Batman and Baron would have fit right in at that time and could benefit from seeing the discussion. ***

>If you thought Zizzle did 'chaotic stupid', you totally didn't
>understand the character at all. He did what Entropy was
>"supposed" to be about. The reason Entropy went away was
>because it became 'chaotic stupid'.

I know well enough that Zizzle was what Entropy was supposed to be about.

The inherent problem here, my friend, is not him getting your tattoo or lack thereof. In this particular case, your tattoo is irrelevant barring giving out exp rewards.

Keep in mind you're the same person that empowered and enabled, if even indirectly, Aunkdunell and then called him a sterling example of good Entropy RP. Other people rewarded him for his crappy behavior as well but I'm just saying there is no way you can take exclusive credit for guiding or having had Zizzle as a follower, he could have feasibly existed under Grumorum, Mayesha or Pico and their respective religions, even as dead Gods today and probably gotten as much love.

By contrast, any good Aunkdunell did was far outweighed by his own behavior. The OOC forums and logs just magnified it to, in my mind, the level that kind of behavior should be examined and dealt with. Obviously you and Nepenthe disagree.

Zizzle was a good example regardless of whether he killed anyone or not. Aunkdunell was as interested in griefing his opponents as he was killing them, and you have comments plastered all over his PBF thoroughly enjoying his generally OOC malicious behavior. Whether you like to say there was no one better at that moment or not, Leadership is a reward even if you're the lucky last tool standing.

The comparisons and contrasts between the two probably don't need to be rehashed. Zizzle was clearly superior.

>
>Entropy was done for long before I immed. Outlander was in
>the works before I immed. As in all religions, they go
>through an approval process. The biggest concern with the
>concept was to make sure that chaotic stupid would not be
>tolerated. That came from the top down at the time of
>creation.
>

And it's an understandable decision. However much you want to justify it going though, the game lost something when it went that it never recovered since. Whether this is because only a certain percentage of the folks who were in that cabal have given you a chance at all is probably a topic you don't care to hash over something five years gone.

It was more accessible previously, and that it continued to liven up the game. Entropy, by it's very structure, couldn't really create massive permas or behavior of the kinds of players and people that have been making leader the last six months, or the well-structured roving groups that have been driving some of the real underdogs up the wall on both sides of the alignment spectrum.

Entropy wasn't about raiding persay, but the ones who were 'chaotic stupid' didn't get in unless the patron Imm was in a particularly good mood that day. Even then they usually got uninducted an hour later. It wasn't about PK ratios, although it could have been if your role was good enough, like Zizzle's for instance. It wasn't about making the patron imms laugh, but the members as a whole, even the PKers, darn well tried their hardest to do so over CB. It wasn't about praying they were watching either and not cleaning baby vomit or watching the Discovery Channel with the family, but I guarantee you with the advent of the IMM-XP-Edge system people would definitely 'get' Entropy and not act 'chaotic-stupid' anymore. It was, and still would be, also restricted to the numbers of Scion by nature.

Now the behavior of the hero level cabal leaders won't affect player retention unless it's players who have been here at least six months and started trickling to 40+ somehow, but my point is that if they met some 'chaotic stupid' wannabe Entropists (that weren't yet another air/off gnome shifter) it just might keep a couple more players around and ease some of the frustrations of the game, even if they were failures.

There's probably the argument 'If you want to do that, do that, you just won't be getting the original power set.' That may be true.

But more importantly you lost a camraderie and cabal channel that not only was full of potential allies, enemies, knowledgeable vets in the mood for a laugh and newbies who didn't have to care about preps and raiding. I only had one character in the damn thing and it sure was more memorable than any caballed character I've had since, and this is speaking from being involved in the quest to bring around Outlander as a Tribunal.

Plus I'm willing to bet at least one of the ex-imms of that cabal has gotten good enough in PK since to lavish attention on good solo killers without ever having to hand out a single point of Imm XP, and still has a good enough head on their shoulders to break their foot off in chaotic stupid's ass when it needs it. It was a safe bet that two out of three of the patron imms of that cabal were by no means masters at that point in time.

Things are different now, and more condusive to it being around. You might be happy there, and I really hope you turn out more Zizzles and less Aunkdunell with your religion and cabal leadership, just like I hope the Imms stop pretending CraftedDeception's cabal leaders are pleasant to play against the way he trucks 1-4 other people around constantly. But I'd probably find the game signifigantly less irritating as a whole if I was using Doppel on some cabal leader and then holding interviews and then writing notes to that leader's cabal. Just as an example.

Bard Repertoire Clarifications:
http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=6&topic_id=23735&mesg_id=23735&page=

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