Dwellers. Somehow the word was caught in my mind while I was re-reading Thar-Eris instead of 'Wolves', which you mentioned is a post-Sylvan era. True should leave 'wolves' out.

The cabal can also be refered to as the Dwelling.

Okie, too much time on my hands but maybe it's because I feel so part of CF even when I'm not playing.

Sure, why not? Actually I think I might like "Dwelling" better than "Refuge". Though I don't see why some folks are reticent to just call their fellow Outlanders, Outlanders.

But anyways, individual characters might come up with any suitable terminology. I wouldn't even mind "wolf" in the context of a single character to which the analogy fits, it's just that it seems to be the "accepted" term for Outlanders due to the Sylvan precedent. And the Outlanders just plain aren't all wolves. Even if you embrace the animalism, the cabal has not only wolves, but spiders and vipers, stags and owls.

' Actually I think I might like "Dwelling" better than "Refuge". '

Thinking the same thing, Amaranthe.

>Though I don't see why some folks are
>reticent to just call their fellow Outlanders, Outlanders.

Along those lines, I've long wondered why Battleragers is such an out-of-vogue name for Battle. A #### lot of people in Thera live in villages. Most of them don't have spellbane.

I was deeply confused when I had just started playing this mud and was trying to join Outlander. It was described to me as a group that disdained civilization and thought people should go back to their village roots. So when people started referring to a cabal as the Village, I figured it was Outlander - man did I have THAT wrong.

I always thought the "Villager" thing was funny-sounding. When I picture a "villager", I imagine someone in a peasant shirt and trousers, or maybe some kind of hunter-gatherer type. I sure as heck don't picture the fiercest of warriors on a hate-filled crusade.

Indeed back in the day, Battleragers were Battleragers, or sometimes "Ragers".

I think battleragers get it the most because their name sounds the most OOC, even though it isn't. Imperials, Scions, Tribunals, Heralds, those are all real-world names for kinds of people. There's no such word as a "battlerager" so it's less intuitive. That's true of outlander as well, since (thought it is a real word) it is not in common use (unlike "scions"?!).

Also, people often go overboard euphamizing things in the name of roleplay. They take things like leveling=ranking and extrapolating to the point where no word with a game-mechanics meaning can ever be used in conversation. It happens with all kinds of things, not just cabal names. There's dozens of words like "practice", "equipment", "evil", "note", "money", "experience" that make sense in the right context, but are somewhat rare to hear.

I remember back when it started that the accepted level of rp changed from asking 'tnl?' to 'tnr?' (till next rank). It still drives me crazy when people insist on referring to notes as something other than notes when it's not necessary, like on the forum. I remember a certain bard getting the smite for referring to a note as a note, and then writing a long post about how he would now refer to them as pollywags, or something like that.

And it is precisely because it doesn't give images of the fiercest of warriors. Villager is meant to apply disdain, if I use it as a mage character. The few that I have respected, I haven't called villagers.