<889/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized>
A faceless nightgaunt emerges from the shadows and dives at you!
You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by a faceless nightgaunt!'
A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
A faceless nightgaunt is in perfect health.

<818/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized>
You parry a faceless nightgaunt's slap.
A faceless nightgaunt's slap DISMEMBERS you!
You parry a faceless nightgaunt's slap.
You fade into existence.
Your cleave misses a faceless nightgaunt.
A faceless nightgaunt deftly ducks under your cleave.
A foul ghast screams and attacks a faceless nightgaunt!
A foul ghast's claw DISMEMBERS a faceless nightgaunt!
A flesh golem screams and attacks a faceless nightgaunt!
A shining silver construct screams and attacks a faceless nightgaunt!
A shining silver construct's punch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
A shining silver construct's punch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
A zombie of a gorgeous silver-haired elf screams and attacks a faceless nightgaunt!
A faceless nightgaunt has a few scratches.

<756/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> order all rescue Neferefre
Ok.
A faceless nightgaunt has a few scratches.

>>> Earlier I could rescue myself on the first or at least second round, now it didn't work. Second round, they are in a fight and won't rescue me.

<756/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> c vamp
Your deathly touch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

<805/915hp 757/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

<805/915hp 757/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> c vamp

A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
Your cleave misses a faceless nightgaunt.
A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

<669/915hp 757/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized>

Autosaving.

You are ready to cast nether protection again.
A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

<677/915hp 773/965m 565mv 8059tnl 11 PM PROTECTED civilized> order all rescue Neferefre

You parry a faceless nightgaunt's slap.
A zombie of a gorgeous silver-haired elf's punch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
A faceless nightgaunt dodges your cleave.
A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

<677/915hp 773/965m 565mv 8059tnl 11 PM PROTECTED civilized> Your deathly touch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

<727/915hp 733/965m 565mv 8059tnl 11 PM PROTECTED civilized>
A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
A shining silver construct's punch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
A foul ghast's claw EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
Your cleave maims a faceless nightgaunt!
A faceless nightgaunt dodges your cleave.
A faceless nightgaunt is covered with bleeding wounds.

<589/915hp 733/965m 565mv 8059tnl 11 PM PROTECTED civilized>
You parry a faceless nightgaunt's slap.
A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
A faceless nightgaunt grapples you with a paralytic hold!

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I think the second attempt wouldn't work (usually works only third or fourth), so here I didn't even bother to try, hoping vampiric would work (nope, didn't work). In many situations, it would be too late.

As I said earlier, same goes in PK fights, especially vs villagers. They just flee and reengage, and you'll never ever have yourself rescued if they are doing it quickly.

Please check it again.

For a lowbie mage having to eat a full round of combat without being able to rescue is really rough. Especially since you have a cabal of people who get damage reduction, spell deflection and damage multipliers on a stick.

Make Mages Great Again


(Giants too)

I've checked, if you attack quickly (not with the spell) and your pets haven't assisted yet, you have a chance to rescue instantly, as it was working before. But it's rather difficult and won't work when someone else attacks you.

><889/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized>
>
>A faceless nightgaunt emerges from the shadows and dives at
>you!
>You yell 'Help! I'm being attacked by a faceless nightgaunt!'
>A faceless nightgaunt's slap MASSACRES you!
>A faceless nightgaunt is in perfect health.

You've been attacked. You are now in combat. At this point IIRC you could be rescued by your pets as you can rescue someone without being in combat.

><818/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized>
>You parry a faceless nightgaunt's slap.
>A faceless nightgaunt's slap DISMEMBERS you!
>You parry a faceless nightgaunt's slap.
>You fade into existence.
>Your cleave misses a faceless nightgaunt.
>A faceless nightgaunt deftly ducks under your cleave.
>A foul ghast screams and attacks a faceless nightgaunt!

ghast assists, is lagged (murder lag)

>A foul ghast's claw DISMEMBERS a faceless nightgaunt!
>A flesh golem screams and attacks a faceless nightgaunt!

golem assists, is lagged (murder lag)

>A shining silver construct screams and attacks a faceless
>nightgaunt!


construct assists, is lagged (murder lag)

>A shining silver construct's punch EVISCERATES a faceless
>nightgaunt!
>A shining silver construct's punch EVISCERATES a faceless
>nightgaunt!
>A zombie of a gorgeous silver-haired elf screams and attacks a
>faceless nightgaunt!

zombie assists, is lagged (murder lag)

>A faceless nightgaunt has a few scratches.
>
><756/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized>
>order all rescue Neferefre
>Ok.
>A faceless nightgaunt has a few scratches.

o all rescue FAILS because they are all still in murder lag. Also they don't queue commands, so it just disappears into the ether.

>>>> Earlier I could rescue myself on the first or at least
>second round, now it didn't work. Second round, they are in a
>fight and won't rescue me.
>
><756/915hp 797/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> c
>vamp
>Your deathly touch EVISCERATES a faceless nightgaunt!
>A faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.

Ok, vamp touch while you wait out murder lag, seems fair... probably 1 extra round before rescue, but it is something.

><805/915hp 757/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> A
>faceless nightgaunt has some small but disgusting cuts.
>
><805/915hp 757/965m 565mv 8059tnl 10 PM PROTECTED civilized> c
>vamp

This is what kills you. If you did a rescue after the first you'd get rescued. Skipping the rest of the log.

Yet it still do not solves the problem and flee-reengage tactics turns pets useless if done right.

So, murder lag to the pets was added recently?

Flee re-engage could be a problem if they are also opening with unblockable lag, but then you (necro) also get the chance to put them to sleep, which is your best option 99/100 times, so they are taking a risk with that tactic. So pets useless... sort of... they still do damage, but you aren't going to get them in front. However, to execute this tactic you have to be willing to run headlong into necro's best tactic (sleep) repeatedly, and if they are willing to do that... either they are dumb, or you should be running the #### away.

Again, I think you can rescue if the zombies are not in combat, so if they opened with non-lagging move, you can (if fast enough) rescue out before the first round of combat.

I don't know exactly when zombies being affected by lag was, but it has been years. It's why you can bash them to death instead of having them flee after 1 hit like they used to always. I imagine, but have no way to verify, that all forms of lag took effect at the same time, so murder lag would be just as old as the rest (4+ years).

>Again, I think you can rescue if the zombies are not in combat, so if they opened with non-lagging move, you can (if fast enough) rescue out before the first round of combat.

I'll try it. But I'll have to spam rescue sitting in the guild, waiting for nightgaunt then? Lol, funny.

About lag, no, definitely not 4+ years. I've been playing necro I think about 1,5-2 years ago and had no such problem. So it's something from the brand new nerfs, I think.

to kill them after the necro has fled and have been doing so since before Krunk. It's possible the murder lag is newer, but zombies have been laggable for at least 4 years.

I also remember when people first started using the constructs complaining about not being able to rescue after they bashed (because they self lagged) so whenever the consortium came in there was self-lag of some type, which is more than 4 years as well.

I'll see you trying to sleep a dashing pincersvirf.

You want to sleep them, they want to avoid it by attacking, if you both stand and spam there is a good chance you (necro) get sleep off UNLESS svirf dashes.

They get one step away, you move, they dash to a place you aren't, you move back and sleep. They have a pincer on enter trigger, you have a sleep on enter trigger. You get sneaky with an item or race selection.

It's basically just as hard for them to guarantee first strike as it is for you... So yea, I'd try it as a necro, but I'd also have to make sure I can survive one pincer.. after which I could rescue *or* do something with sleep (depending on zombies).