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#62497, "It seems odd that..."
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I was surprised to learn that with a felar assassin, you can only dual wield with claws. I took that to mean that you can only wield one weapon, but it seems it's even more restrictive in that you can only wield a weapon in the mainhand.
What this means is that an arial assassin cannot wield a weapon and also utilize unarmed defense like a human can. So, is a human master of Atemi Waza more powerful than a felar master of Atemi Waza? That seems odd to me.
Would it make sense to allow felar to dual wield a weapon and use claw as mainhand so he can utilize unarmed defense?
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RE: It seems odd that...,
And is feral growl supposed to remove blass? (Anonymous),
03-Feb-16 09:12 AM, #11
It's a benifit and hinderance. ,
Kalageadon,
03-Feb-16 09:36 AM, #12
My experience with Defl tells me this isn't exactly rig...,
Tac,
03-Feb-16 08:26 PM, #13
When I feral with bless, bless goes away nt,
felar (Anonymous),
04-Feb-16 07:14 AM, #15
Thanks for the answers. nt,
Felar (Anonymous),
01-Feb-16 08:33 AM, #4
I remember why this bothered me,
felar (Anonymous),
03-Feb-16 09:10 AM, #10
RE: It seems odd that...,
Isildur,
01-Feb-16 08:23 AM, #3
I'm pretty sure unarmed defense doesn't work that way,
Kstatida,
01-Feb-16 04:11 AM, #2
You can't backfist from the offhand,
KaguMaru,
01-Feb-16 08:27 PM, #5
Let me roll an assassin to test that again NT,
Kstatida,
02-Feb-16 06:36 AM, #6
A quicker way is to just read the help file. =) n/t,
Calion,
02-Feb-16 09:47 AM, #7
Reperformance is a heavier evidence than 3rd party inqu...,
Kstatida,
02-Feb-16 11:20 AM, #8
Ok, I reperformed that,
Kstatida,
03-Feb-16 08:58 AM, #9
RE: It seems odd that...,
Kharne,
01-Feb-16 12:42 AM, #1
RE: It seems odd that...,
felar (Anonymous),
03-Feb-16 11:08 PM, #14
This is straight up wrong.,
Tac,
04-Feb-16 08:29 AM, #16
Maybe he thinks offhand disarm is the only way to get o...,
lasentia,
04-Feb-16 12:25 PM, #17
Thanks. Did not know that! nt,
felar (Anonymous),
04-Feb-16 02:33 PM, #18
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#62510, "RE: It seems odd that..."
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When I feral growl, my bless goes away. No message, reason, and this doesn't happen with similar skills does it?
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Kalageadon | Wed 03-Feb-16 09:36 AM |
Member since 23rd Oct 2003
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#62511, "It's a benifit and hinderance. "
In response to Reply #11
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If I recall the mechanic. When you're blessed, you can't have warcry up and feral growl is similar. Since the affects overlap, you can use growl over bless or warcry but like warcry, you can't have it simultaneously with bless.
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Tac | Wed 03-Feb-16 08:26 PM |
Member since 15th Nov 2005
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#62512, "My experience with Defl tells me this isn't exactly rig..."
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I don't know exactly what the combination is and I'm not overly interested in grepping my logs for it, but bless/warcry and feral growl stack, but it matters which comes first and some other nonsense which made no sense. Can't warcry while growled, but can when blessed or vice verse. Can be blesses and feral growl and have both? It's wonky, but I don't remember exactly how.
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#62517, "When I feral with bless, bless goes away nt"
In response to Reply #13
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#62501, "Thanks for the answers. nt"
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#62509, "I remember why this bothered me"
In response to Reply #4
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With other assassin, I would dual a sword in offhand so I could not get disarmed. Why a felar who is better with his hands not wield them as primary, is odd and makes them inferior in this case.
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Kstatida | Mon 01-Feb-16 04:11 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#62499, "I'm pretty sure unarmed defense doesn't work that way"
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It should be similar to parry. There is 50% chance to parry with each hand, if chance goes to unarmed hand (either main or offhand), unarmed defense + backfist checks. So in terms of unarmed defense, felar is similar to any other race. In terms of inability to dual vuln weapon - well you should pay for felar bonuses anyway.
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KaguMaru | Mon 01-Feb-16 08:27 PM |
Member since 15th Sep 2012
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#62502, "You can't backfist from the offhand"
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Fairly certain.
I'm not sure how the code for parry works when you're dual wielding fists/claws. I think I read a post by Daevryn or someone saying that essentially, weapon + empty hand parries the same as weapon + identical weapon, but my own experiences would suggest that parry is better when dual wielding. Not sure which to go on.
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Kstatida | Tue 02-Feb-16 06:36 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#62503, "Let me roll an assassin to test that again NT"
In response to Reply #5
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Calion | Tue 02-Feb-16 09:47 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#62504, "A quicker way is to just read the help file. =) n/t"
In response to Reply #6
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Kstatida | Tue 02-Feb-16 11:18 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#62505, "Reperformance is a heavier evidence than 3rd party inqu..."
In response to Reply #7
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Even if the latter it proves me correct.
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Kstatida | Wed 03-Feb-16 08:58 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#62508, "Ok, I reperformed that"
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Offhand backfist works perfectly fine.
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#62514, "RE: It seems odd that..."
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With other races, you can primary hand and dual sword so you cannot get disarmed (normal disarm) and you can backfist as well.
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Tac | Thu 04-Feb-16 08:29 AM |
Member since 15th Nov 2005
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#62518, "This is straight up wrong."
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If someone is primary first and dual wielding, disarm will simply take out their second weapon.
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lasentia | Thu 04-Feb-16 12:25 PM |
Member since 27th Apr 2010
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#62519, "Maybe he thinks offhand disarm is the only way to get o..."
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But like you said, disarm works on any weapon, it just prioritizes primary wield before offhand. But offhand disarm is just meant to target the offhand instead of the primary, and works on non-weapons since they all go to offhand by default.
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#62520, "Thanks. Did not know that! nt"
In response to Reply #17
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