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sosa | Fri 28-Aug-15 03:38 PM |
Member since 28th Aug 2015
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#60454, "What is the most reliable forced sleep mechanic currently in the game?"
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My guess is one of the following four:
Necro sleep
Bard sleep
Thief blackjack (the generalist, old school one)
Thief inhaled poison
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  I found,,
Kalageadon,
29-Aug-15 07:01 AM, #7
 It depends,
incognito,
28-Aug-15 04:36 PM, #1
RE: It depends,
sosa,
28-Aug-15 05:02 PM, #2
Blackjack IS affected by gear.,
TMNS,
28-Aug-15 05:54 PM, #3
RE: Blackjack IS affected by gear.,
Isildur,
28-Aug-15 06:58 PM, #4
 Or he's just full of ####. n/t,
Lhydia,
28-Aug-15 08:18 PM, #5
RE: Or he's just full of ####. n/t,
incognito,
29-Aug-15 12:21 AM, #6
I read somewhere here that it is,
TrapperJohn (Anonymous),
15-Sep-15 01:57 PM, #8
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Kalageadon | Sat 29-Aug-15 07:01 AM |
Member since 23rd Oct 2003
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#60470, "I found,"
In response to Reply #0
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Garotte worked exceptionally well as a svirf. Unfortunately if you're a villager you'll never be able to knock out someone giant sized. But I will say that it was far more successful than normal blackjack or bard song.
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incognito | Fri 28-Aug-15 04:36 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#60455, "It depends"
In response to Reply #0
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They all have their own countermeasures.
For example, a thief or bard is more likely to jo a rager than a Necro or ap.
Basically is someone is using a countermeasure the attack is unlikely to be very effective. But it's generally not possible to be countering all of them at once.
Also bard song doesn't start a fight and can get hidden people to sleep. Thief blackjack works on fighting people as it stops the fight etc.
With no countermeasures I'd have to go with Necro sleep
Tho.
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sosa | Fri 28-Aug-15 05:02 PM |
Member since 28th Aug 2015
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#60456, "RE: It depends"
In response to Reply #1
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Yes, I meant with no countermeasures and no special benefits other than 100% in the skill. So, assuming the same sizes of victim & target for blackjack, no spellbane for necro sleep, etc.
After reading your response, though, it occurs to me there are probably a lot more factors than I'm considering. Like for the spells & bardsong, the victim's svs and the caster's int have to come into play, right? And probably save vs poison for thief inhale poison. So does that mean thief blackjack is the only one that isn't impacted by the victim's equipment at all?
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TMNS | Fri 28-Aug-15 05:54 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
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#60459, "Blackjack IS affected by gear."
In response to Reply #2
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Specifically headgear.
I may be confusing it with weaponbutt blackjack.
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Lhydia | Fri 28-Aug-15 08:18 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#60461, "Or he's just full of ####. n/t"
In response to Reply #4
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incognito | Sat 29-Aug-15 12:18 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#60465, "RE: Or he's just full of ####. n/t"
In response to Reply #5
Edited on Sat 29-Aug-15 12:21 AM
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#60549, "I read somewhere here that it is"
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But I'm too lazy to look. But other players in game have indicated to me that this is the case too - i.e., a helmet vs. crown will be better, but I don't know if there is some hidden flag in code that distinguishes - I'd guess clothing (hat) vs armor.
Still, I always had good success with both blackjack and garrotte if I had a high hit roll. Weaponbutt not so much.
I'd bet that garrotte is most reliable - it has the fewest mitigating factors, plus you can push first to bump up your odds.
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