I've been reading logs and noticed a "victim is already desensitized to pain" echo for when a transmuter hits with a mental jolt (I think).

Does it mean less damage verbs seen by the victim and slightly less actual damage, like the desensitize spell?

Speaking of pain and such... there are a couple things (martial trance and painless flaw come to mind) that supposedly make you immune to pain, but afaik they don't really protect against pain-based skills/spells/supps. By design?

> Does it mean less damage verbs seen by the victim and slightly less actual damage, like the desensitize spell?

It can apply the negative aspects of mental jolt to a victim. They don't get the DR.

> Speaking of pain and such... there are a couple things (martial trance and painless flaw come to mind) that supposedly make you immune to pain, but afaik they don't really protect against pain-based skills/spells/supps. By design?

Hmmm. I'll think about that and possibly make a change. Painless especially is enough of a drawback that getting at least something like a desensitize-level protection against pain stuff would probably be fair.

Edit: It turns out this already existed for both of these, but pain abilities weren't consistent about which ones they cared about. I've changed this and it will be consistent going forward.

Fought these todsy on a new character, noticed ?? for stats after mental jolt. Did not think to check affects to say for certain, but it looked the same. Easy to test, will reply later.