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LhydiaSun 08-Sep-13 10:08 PM
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#51251, "Damn Nep, were you not able to kill Bulga either? "


          

Seems like if shifters (in general, not Bulga necessarily) are abusing locate object you could take it away individually instead of making a huge funstick decision.

  

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Reply I'll bite:, Akresius, 24-Oct-13 12:17 PM, #16
Reply RE: I'll bite:, Sarien, 24-Oct-13 01:42 PM, #17
Reply RE: I'll bite:, Daevryn, 24-Oct-13 05:04 PM, #18
     Reply The correct answer is probably, Anti-Hero, 24-Oct-13 08:13 PM, #19
     Reply Gift giver, Tsunami, 24-Oct-13 11:58 PM, #20
          Reply bulga didnt have an air form, you deceiver. nt, CD, 25-Oct-13 12:32 AM, #21
               Reply Well, Tsunami, 25-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #26
                    Reply RE: Well, Bulga (Anonymous), 25-Oct-13 04:16 PM, #27
                         Reply I now vaguely recall taking you and another shifter to ..., KaguMaru, 25-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #29
     Reply Well..you know exactly why it was removed! tell us at ..., Sarien, 25-Oct-13 08:28 AM, #24
          Reply They did tell us, laxman, 25-Oct-13 08:31 AM, #25
Reply RE: I'll bite:, Lhydia, 25-Oct-13 06:03 AM, #22
     Reply I loved Bulga, KaguMaru, 25-Oct-13 07:21 AM, #23
Reply RE: Damn Nep, were you not able to kill Bulga either? , Daevryn, 08-Sep-13 10:22 PM, #2
Reply Why was it removed?, DurNominator, 08-Sep-13 10:26 PM, #3
Reply It's also got huge pvp implications, Torak, 08-Sep-13 10:28 PM, #4
Reply RE: Why was it removed?, Daevryn, 08-Sep-13 10:41 PM, #5
     Reply Idea: Lesser Schools of Magic, Mek, 22-Oct-13 03:14 AM, #10
          Reply I like this idea., Quixotic, 22-Oct-13 08:19 PM, #12
               Reply Like... Potions/pills/scrolls/wands/staves?, laxman, 23-Oct-13 10:36 AM, #14
Reply Related commentary:, Daevryn, 08-Sep-13 11:04 PM, #6
Reply Don't you think it was probably discussed among the imp..., Zephon, 08-Sep-13 10:13 PM, #1
     Reply Bulga''s views, Bulga (Anonymous), 21-Oct-13 10:15 PM, #7
          Reply RE: Bulga''s views, Daevryn, 21-Oct-13 11:23 PM, #8
          Reply Drama queening., Scrimbul, 22-Oct-13 01:50 AM, #9
          Reply RE: Bulga''s views, Demos, 22-Oct-13 06:51 PM, #11
          Reply RE: Bulga''s views, Bulga (Anonymous), 22-Oct-13 11:23 PM, #13
          Reply What was your past characters?, Beer, 23-Oct-13 10:59 AM, #15
               Reply RE: What was your past characters?, Bulga (Anonymous), 25-Oct-13 05:01 PM, #28

AkresiusThu 24-Oct-13 12:17 PM
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#52570, "I'll bite:"
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Having never played a shifter before: What is a Bulga and how is locate object making them overpowered?

  

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SarienThu 24-Oct-13 01:42 PM
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#52571, "RE: I'll bite:"
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It allows you to know when enemies you could not normally see are logged on, if you can simply remember something locateable that they wear/carry. For example if you knew some ranger was a huge threat to you, but you also knew they had a skin from the corpse of xyz you would be able to reliably tell when they are online vs not...and adjust playstile accordingly

It is also used in hunting.. c locate corpse/guts/brains/leg/arm etc...to find pieces of stuff people are ranking on

granted the first portion requires maintaining a list of who carries what....however if you put the time in, it can give you a very pronounced edge.

  

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DaevrynThu 24-Oct-13 05:04 PM
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#52573, "RE: I'll bite:"
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I don't think that really answers his question.

  

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Anti-HeroThu 24-Oct-13 08:13 PM
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#52575, "The correct answer is probably"
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He was a super, super gear hoarding shapeshifter that used locate object to gather an insane set and also carried a ton of stuff he didn't use. Was not the biggest risk taker either.


I don't know how much of the above is true honestly, but that seems to be what people were implying.

  

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TsunamiThu 24-Oct-13 11:58 PM
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#52577, "Gift giver"
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Three characters (of mine) unrelated to Bulga in any way had Bulga randomly fly up and drop some sweet #### on them. Just throwing that out there.

  

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CDFri 25-Oct-13 12:32 AM
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#52578, "bulga didnt have an air form, you deceiver. nt"
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nt

  

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TsunamiFri 25-Oct-13 09:21 AM
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#52583, "Well"
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Maybe I have the wrong gnome in mind.

  

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Bulga (Anonymous)Fri 25-Oct-13 04:16 PM
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#52584, "RE: Well"
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It was indeed the goal of Bulga to help anyone asking for help no mather who is the asker but was polite... Bulga never refuse to gather stuff for them even for youngers) She was keekping a lot of object she was locating,, gathering and giving away to asnyone.. Just to create some chaos and as a protective diplomatic strategy .. A legenndary weapon on a little gnome warrior.. a powerfull set of bandages and other health equipment for a shifter... She was uncabaled and had horror of political affairs but used this 'gift to anyone strategy' to secure good relations with a lot of people caballed or not. From the Emperor Merf to the simple new coming thief.. she was giving all the best she could... And almost everybody was happy to have her as such ... from the powerfull Zhenyen to the simple newcoming ranger...

She was not an assassin and never attack anyone first.. exept ragers.. she was regulary attacking.. so about risk.. ask anyone she was not easy to kill with all her gears and a komodo form. She never refuse anyhelp and took frontal attack everytimes ...

  

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KaguMaruFri 25-Oct-13 05:17 PM
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#52587, "I now vaguely recall taking you and another shifter to ..."
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Good times that was - full ABS just about managed to get me to flee at convulsing as my first command

  

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SarienFri 25-Oct-13 08:28 AM
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#52581, "Well..you know exactly why it was removed! tell us at ..."
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Otherwise, just saying "nope thats not it!" seems unfair and mean!

Seriously though - was it not removed because of the two above uses?

  

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laxmanFri 25-Oct-13 08:31 AM
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#52582, "They did tell us"
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This is part of an overhaul to make locate spells more class specific. Druids can locate things if natural material, paladins things that are blessed, invokers elemental, etc..

  

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LhydiaFri 25-Oct-13 06:03 AM
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#52579, "RE: I'll bite:"
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A Bulga is a player/character that contributes nothing to CF for the most part because it doesn't RP or participate in PK, but can be found at any point to have a lot of the best gear in the game in hand whether it is worn or carried in inventory. The Bulga logs in to CF and logs out of CF after locating 10 standard super unique items and having a bad pk range. If the Bulga sees an item it can or cannot use, or that is unique to certain builds/classes, it will go kill the mob and hold on to that item until such a time it sees someone that can use it that might later help him gather gear.

The Bulga cannot be killed because if he sees you in his range and you can kill him he will quit, unless he is going after a piece of gear, then he will get the gear and then quit. The two times I ALMOST killed Bulga was when he was spamming locate object. Seriously. Out of form no protections but the lucky little guy has 1600 hps so his word went through before my third rake both times.


So that was why I made that rib at Nep, it seems like the one character was a shining example of why shifters having locate object would prevent people from ever having shinies so he said F it and pulled the trigger. I made the joke because the timing was funny in correlation to that character, it very well could have been a decision made a year ago by other people.

  

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KaguMaruFri 25-Oct-13 07:21 AM
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#52580, "I loved Bulga"
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The epitome of the uncaballed gnome shifter. These guys are awesome - they always want to rank and fill up your poor lonely group, often providing much-needed tanking, and would I imagine provide great PK fodder too if I actually hunted people who didn't kill me on sight.

Bulga in particular, despite her hoarding of limited barrier was a godsend - I can't the amount of times I'd been dodging fort all day only to see that, praise the lord Bulga is logged on and will tank all the storm giants on Kiadanah at once for no personal gain, simply because I asked nicely.

She had her faults but was overall a positive character who helped other characters build up, with experience and gear, rather than shaving off their con and sac'ing their ####.

  

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DaevrynSun 08-Sep-13 10:22 PM
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#51253, "RE: Damn Nep, were you not able to kill Bulga either? "
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Honestly we meant to do it years ago but somehow kept forgetting.

I have faith that shifters will continue to be wildly popular without that extra bit of utility. Heck, you can't stop playing 'em!

  

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DurNominatorSun 08-Sep-13 10:26 PM
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#51254, "Why was it removed?"
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It was such a handy tool for checking if the mobs had limited gear in and also for figuring out who stole gear from a corpse as Tribunal.

  

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TorakSun 08-Sep-13 10:28 PM
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#51255, "It's also got huge pvp implications"
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Finding people who are ranking via body parts/corpses, locating corpses when people die, or seeing if hiding/camo enemies are around.

  

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DaevrynSun 08-Sep-13 10:41 PM
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#51256, "RE: Why was it removed?"
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1) Generally, the trend is that less and less people have locate object or at least full locate object. See also: Animism, Blessed Divination, Gravesight, etc.

2) It doesn't really fit the theme of the class and needing to change shape for greater magics.

3) It's one more thing a shifter has over a warrior or other meleeish class for really no good reason.

  

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MekTue 22-Oct-13 03:14 AM
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#52534, "Idea: Lesser Schools of Magic"
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Could be worthwhile to give all mage-classes some customization in the form of the lesser spells. Sure, an invoker should never should never be able to turn into a lion, but maybe he learned how to grow some fangs in his downtime at the ol' Miskatonic University. Maybe the Real McCoy locate object could be part of this. Anyways, just a thought.

  

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QuixoticTue 22-Oct-13 08:19 PM
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#52548, "I like this idea."
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Put the various utility spells into schools which can be acquired in a way similar to thief paths.

Helluva lot of work, but it would certainly transform the study of magic and create a huge variety of magic combinations to abuse.

  

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laxmanWed 23-Oct-13 10:36 AM
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#52559, "Like... Potions/pills/scrolls/wands/staves?"
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Already exists

  

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DaevrynSun 08-Sep-13 11:04 PM
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#51259, "Related commentary:"
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Zulg also wanted for conjurer Locate Object to spawn psychic vampires and the like. You might still get that as part of a homage to his many contributions.

  

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ZephonSun 08-Sep-13 10:13 PM
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#51252, "Don't you think it was probably discussed among the imp..."
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You act like it is just Nep's decision.

  

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Bulga (Anonymous)Mon 21-Oct-13 10:15 PM
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#52526, "Bulga''s views"
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Im playing this game since 1994.. I did start to help me learn English and it was fun to join pleasure and utility. I am stoping playing now because its less funny.. it seem each year something is removed for us players maybe to add something for Immortals.. I dont know.. Im just a simple players... Now Im leaving because of this last decision. Bulga was using this spell to generate chaos and pay tributes for peace .. It work perfectly.. Maybe too much.. I dont care much anymore Bulga will die soon I suppose. Its sure a fact... stuff will be harder to get... for some.. harder mabe better... how many items I saw on mobs during all those years using this spell... I suppose Imm prefer to see those with theirs stuff instead of players... it was so strange to see iullusionary items appears.. come on! Anyway.. I dont mind much.. I will just be my final word ... See you all on another realm.

Salut tous les québécois!

  

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DaevrynMon 21-Oct-13 11:23 PM
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#52529, "RE: Bulga''s views"
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I don't even know what to make of this word salad. I really don't.

  

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ScrimbulTue 22-Oct-13 01:50 AM
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#52533, "Drama queening."
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He's taking the loss of locate object personally, and tossing out inflammatory reasons for why the more esoteric toys are being taken away from various classes. (e.g. claiming the imms get to keep it on their characters and the mortals don't)

His argument has merit but it's not enough to pay attention to, since disagreement on game balance does not logically become conspiracy theory evidence.

Had he just said 'I don't like the way classes lose spells without getting an actual buff in return and just feel I need to quit playing because of it, I feel genuinely slighted as if the game is becoming more boring as a result' and probably started a thread on the graveyard to that effect rather than necroing this thing that now probably needs to be locked, he'd have had a better discussion even if it would still have been word salad.

  

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DemosTue 22-Oct-13 06:51 PM
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#52546, "RE: Bulga''s views"
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Haha don't leave! We can unite Ontario and Quebec can rule this world! I'll role healer you role whatever you want and we'll Démolir le monde. Je vais jouer guérisseur vous rock quelle que soit la classe que vous voulez

  

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Bulga (Anonymous)Tue 22-Oct-13 11:23 PM
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#52552, "RE: Bulga''s views"
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Hyyyyyaaaa! Its tempting!

  

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BeerWed 23-Oct-13 10:59 AM
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#52560, "What was your past characters?"
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Je me demande seulement si t'es celui qui m'a initié au jeu haha.

  

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Bulga (Anonymous)Fri 25-Oct-13 05:01 PM
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#52585, "RE: What was your past characters?"
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I dont think so...

  

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