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SarienFri 08-Feb-13 09:55 AM
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#48869, "3 followup assassinate questions"


          

I promise, this is the end of my true/false questions Daev. Thank you for taking the time to answer them

Size matters? bigger is better? Small is ok, depending on how ya use it? or, is size irrelevant.

Target sleeping improves chances

Target resting improves chances but not as much as target sleeping

Target entering the room improves chances, as compared to you moving to target (IE place yourself in their path and "ambush" rather than hunt them down, and assassinate)

If you answer any of these, I swear I will not ask you another question for 2 weeks. On any topic!

  

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Reply RE: 3 followup assassinate questions, Lhydia, 08-Feb-13 03:39 PM, #1
     Reply stalk crunchers always crack me up, laxman, 08-Feb-13 03:48 PM, #2
     Reply No worse than pincer crunchers, Tsunami, 08-Feb-13 05:25 PM, #3
     Reply How does stalk counter reset itself?, highbutterfly, 08-Feb-13 06:59 PM, #4
     Reply RE: 3 followup assassinate questions, Daevryn, 08-Feb-13 08:31 PM, #5
          Reply So resting and sleeping are equally better than standin..., Lhydia, 09-Feb-13 08:06 AM, #6
          Reply RE: So resting and sleeping are equally better than sta..., Daevryn, 09-Feb-13 09:58 AM, #7
               Reply RE: So resting and sleeping are equally better than sta..., Isildur, 09-Feb-13 11:35 AM, #8
                    Reply RE: So resting and sleeping are equally better than sta..., Daevryn, 09-Feb-13 03:10 PM, #9
                         Reply wut?, Lhydia, 09-Feb-13 03:13 PM, #10
                              Reply RE: wut?, Daevryn, 09-Feb-13 03:15 PM, #11
                                   Reply I was always 100% sure when the victim is sleeping it h..., Shapa, 11-Feb-13 06:28 AM, #12
                                        Reply Me too but, incognito, 11-Feb-13 04:49 PM, #14
                                        Reply Someone who is sleeping can't be spamming where. nt, vargal, 11-Feb-13 05:47 PM, #15
          Reply You are awesome. ^_^, Zephon, 11-Feb-13 12:31 PM, #13

LhydiaFri 08-Feb-13 03:39 PM
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#48882, "RE: 3 followup assassinate questions"
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Size only matters in that you can't assassinate anyone who is too small or big to bash you. It doesn't impact success otherwise if you are able to attempt it, you'll get a message 'They're too big/little for you to assassinate' (or something similar) and it won't let you input the command.

Sleeping improves chances more than resting which is more than standing.

Whether you walk to them or they walk into you doesn't matter.

If they see you on 'where' or in the same room but your stalk counter doesn't reset itself you've still got a shot.

If you have 10-12 stalks at 75% and they're sleeping with you using a vuln weapon, you've maximized your chance at success and you're throwing the dice fully stacked as much as they can be.

Even at 100% with the above factors you're still rolling the dice and you don't have more than a 50/50 shot (from what I can tell based on perfecting it a few times).

  

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laxmanFri 08-Feb-13 03:48 PM
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#48884, "stalk crunchers always crack me up"
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A buddy of mine played an assassin and he would keep saying...

Dude, if I land 8 stalks on you I got a 66% chance to assassinate you! Better look out.

I then ask, how many assassinates have you tried? --- 20
How many have you landed? ---2

So when did 2/20 become 66%

hahaha just thought I should share

  

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TsunamiFri 08-Feb-13 05:25 PM
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#48886, "No worse than pincer crunchers"
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oh oh oh

  

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highbutterflyFri 08-Feb-13 06:59 PM
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#48889, "How does stalk counter reset itself?"
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>If they see you on 'where' or in the same room but your stalk
>counter doesn't reset itself you've still got a shot.
>

I didn't think was possible -- in other words, I thought if the target saw you on where or in the same room by definition the stalk counter was coded to reset.

  

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DaevrynFri 08-Feb-13 08:31 PM
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#48892, "RE: 3 followup assassinate questions"
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>Size only matters in that you can't assassinate anyone who is
>too small or big to bash you. It doesn't impact success
>otherwise if you are able to attempt it, you'll get a message
>'They're too big/little for you to assassinate' (or something
>similar) and it won't let you input the command.

Being enlarged might hurt your chances. I forget. Changing size for sure can never help you.

>Sleeping improves chances more than resting which is more than
>standing.

No.

>Whether you walk to them or they walk into you doesn't matter.

Yes.

>If they see you on 'where' or in the same room but your stalk
>counter doesn't reset itself you've still got a shot.

Maybe. Being spotted eats a lot of your stalk. If you have way more than you need you might still have a chance.

  

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LhydiaSat 09-Feb-13 08:06 AM
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#48901, "So resting and sleeping are equally better than standin..."
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gr

  

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DaevrynSat 09-Feb-13 09:58 AM
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#48902, "RE: So resting and sleeping are equally better than sta..."
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Yes, excepting indirect reasons. For example someone who stays asleep for 20 ticks is going to be dead easy to stalk and sneak up on because they're not moving.

  

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IsildurSat 09-Feb-13 11:35 AM
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#48905, "RE: So resting and sleeping are equally better than sta..."
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I'm really not trying to be obtuse here (I promise!)...just wanting to make sure I understand exactly what you're saying.

You're saying that, all else being equal, the following are true:

1. Attempting to assassinate someone who is resting is more likely to succeed than attempting to assassinate that same person when he is standing.

2. Attempting to assassinate someone who is sleeping is more likely to succeed than attempting to assassinate that same person when he is standing.

3. Attempting to assassinate a person who is sleeping is no more likely to succeed than attempting to assassinate that same person when he is resting.

So if I'm stalking a guy who is fighting mobs and periodically resting, then sleeping, and I want to maximize my chances of success, I should prefer to attempt when he's resting or sleeping but once he rests there's no good reason to wait until he subsequently sleeps.

  

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DaevrynSat 09-Feb-13 03:10 PM
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#48906, "RE: So resting and sleeping are equally better than sta..."
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No. His position (standing/resting/sleeping) is irrelevant.

  

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LhydiaSat 09-Feb-13 03:13 PM
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#48908, "wut?"
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Did you just say that there isn't a greater chance of success for assassinate to land on a sleeping/resting victim than if they're standing?

I'm pretty sure if so that's not accurate unless you changed it very recently.

  

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DaevrynSat 09-Feb-13 03:15 PM
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#48909, "RE: wut?"
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>Did you just say that there isn't a greater chance of success
>for assassinate to land on a sleeping/resting victim than if
>they're standing?

Correct.

To the best of my knowledge there has never been such a factor, and I wrote the code.

  

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ShapaMon 11-Feb-13 06:21 AM
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#48931, "I was always 100% sure when the victim is sleeping it h..."
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Edited on Mon 11-Feb-13 06:28 AM

          

But it only shows that players _simply cannot_ understand how exactly many things work, because often many things can be explained just because of the RNG and luck. And there are no real ways to "test it".

If we would try to go into details of the stalking process including the exact numbers on the different levels of the skill % in assassinate we would see a lot of misinfo from the different players who played many successful assassins as well.


Edited: Often there are "indirect connection/logic". Like .... someone whom you can find sleeping is probably newbier player and the chances that he was trying to catch you using "where", "look" or "who" commands are much lower. Also it probably means that you got a lot/enough stalks on him.

  

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incognitoMon 11-Feb-13 04:49 PM
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#48935, "Me too but"
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Is it possible that rates improve when victim is slowed? Because there's a correlation btwn that and sleeping.

  

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vargalMon 11-Feb-13 05:47 PM
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#48936, "Someone who is sleeping can't be spamming where. nt"
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nt

  

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ZephonMon 11-Feb-13 12:31 PM
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#48934, "You are awesome. ^_^"
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Thanks so much for answering these assassinate questions.

  

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