They pay for it by being weak at low end.

I was thinking. I can hero a mage in like 50 to 60 hours. And I PK here and there on the way up. And I have never once zapped a character with an ABS wand.

So this Supposed Pay off is that I'm heroing fast, and If I'm one of these guys who knows wands, I'm getting them on the way up so really... there is no Pay off. I'm just powerful and have neat spells!


I think the wands are over kill for mages. They just don't need them. At least not to the extent they are now.

Flip that switch!

People are just so consumed with power ranking them that as a community less time has been put into trying to PK with them in the low ranks.

I mean I have put up solo kills with my very first defensive form on shapeshifters just about every time. Heck its actually easier in the low ranks for mage PK because its easier to catch people ranking (mob tanking/already wounded/you can legit 2 round a lot of people, especially other mages/rouges).

High damage warrior (since they get third attack, enhanced damage, dual wield, bash/trip) is still going to be a tough matchup for anyone who doesn't have sound melee defenses(or can't get mobs to tank for them) but there are tons of targets out there which are not high damage warriors you can hunt.

My last orc pwned everyone I fought against except rupen?
That duergar who hit ####ING hard.

I had berserkresist/aura/shield/stoneskin and anthem from a mob.

Missed two bashes and still died.

If you lower the damage imput you take too much, you don't orcriposte them.

I've slain almost every full abs stoned protection build there
is with most character builds. Its not hard.

If that conjurer's shield is broken and their str lowered.
The cranial is going to lag them while you do 150 dmg a round yo.

Poor poor newbie.

Flip my switch.

Good thing every competent conjurer is using a mystical shield and preferably a nodisarm weapon.

Edited to clarify that conjurers need full ABS to just not get one rounded, and also that Pro is retarded.

One example. Empire warrior. Shove.

I won't give you any more beccause its not worth my time.

There is always an answer. An easy one.

Its Krilcov, not pro.

=)

Only that this dude's answer isn't it.

However, I am not afraid to die trying untill I finally get you.

Having played almost all my characters over aggressively. I die a lot. One of my orcs killed a minotaur battle commander without preps or drinking blood.

Was decked out in gear, Whip of living snakes and axe dissolution.

Grapple Polearm.
Bash
Grapple Mace
Bash bash bash dead. or something like that.

Deleted over getting looted heavily by a paladin/invoker team I fought solo. They took gear for their friends, quite a few items.
The thanks I get for giving people a good show. Well, atleast the rage is gone.

Now I just don't have the heart to write up great roles. The imm exp is mostly gone too.

It's probably commonly said, but I don't think the people who design the game ever said it.

All of the dam redux you can get on mage, you can get on any character through one buff or another.... in saying that they just happen to have a more solo approach to being able to use and gather it. Really theres nothing more spectacular than a Giant sword spec with full shields, sand and resistance mauling the hell out of groups of three. CF at hero is not just about the pk, its about managing your short and long term resources, mana and moves can be more of a killer than HPs. How you choose to prep and who you choose to prep against can change almost any battle to your favour (barring 10 vs 1 gank downs ofc, unless you are a lich or something). It constantly surprises me that you have so many characters and every time you find the weakness you highlight it here and look for solutions, instead of noting the solution and putting it into the locker of how to #### up that seemingly overpowered class in the future. Generally mages get tooled in those 50-60 hours unless they play the avoidance game, its one way to play it but its also being a ####.

Note : If you play Fully prepped at all times, you will need to sink a good deal of time into gold/prep gathering and even then using preps can be a massive gamble if the fight doesnt materialise while the other guy is rope a doping you with mininmal time cost to himself (by under prepping). Ofc that can occassionally back fire with RNG in your favour, and I suppose you could loot his preps and stuff.

Invokers can shield them selves and others. They don't need wands.

Necromancers can Sleep/Maladict and use Zombie Hordes. They don't need wands.

Muter's can Out melee and damage and gain surprise almost 100% of the time. They don't need wands.

Shapeshifters are easy on a stick. They definitely don't need wands. Sure you get ####ty combo's bat that's what you get for playing on easy mode.

AP's ... Nuff said.

Mages don't need ABS to fight me.

I probably need them.

Mages can be awesomely powerful walking into a situation, but they also have lots of periods of uptime vs. downtime. Priests are generally much better about having "uptime" aside from resting for mana, and lasting power with healing. Warrior/ranger types are good for constantly being ready for a fight and try to take advantage of a fallen spell, whereas thief/assassins have stealth to be certain to take advantage of that.

Where have you been?
OrcOrcOrc.

I was tuk the orc.

Where have you been?
OrcOrcOrc.

I was tuk the orc.

Find a character that you can tolerate in game that can pk and have them teach you how to fight ABS mages. It might help you a bit. I learned to pk from Jerro and whoever played Allysia. I also learned a lot from fighting Funnyone a lot with different characters. Only way to get better is to fight a better opponent.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

I can not reproduce the same results I see in logs.

How are your skills relative to the person in the log?
How is the opponent's skills relative to the person in the log?
Look at the relative equipment of each party.

You can't replicate what you see in a log just by using the same commands, because a lot more goes into any PK encounter as you know. Logs provide some tactical insights, but you should not read them as a guide for how to be successful with that build since you don't have the relevant knowledge to be able to replicate those results most of the time.

I will also say, it probably takes a while for most of us to learn to PK decently with a class, and trial and error really is the best teacher in that regard. I did alright with Allysia because I have played bards pretty much more than any other class but warrior. I don't think people can look at logs of Allysia though and then roll w-elf nexus bard and expect to just dominate battleragers with the same ease even if it is a potent build. However, if I were in your cabal and you were playing w-elf bard, I'd be happy to suggest what works and how to get the most out of the build.

I have to think getting tips from people IC is much better than log reading, and trial and error also helps a lot.

You may want to try posting a lot of your own logs.

You'll get a lot of people telling you what you did wrong, and maybe that's hard on the ego, but most of the advice you get will probably be good. It probably isn't a single magic thing you're doing wrong -- it's probably a lot of little things adding up.

Its about figuring out the weaknesses of your class versus of theirs. What they are wearing vs your gear. Your preps vs theirs. Your own personal skill vs theirs. The place your fighting at and the mobs around you. Weapon type vs weapon type. Class extras vs class extras. Cabal powers are a bit thing too depending on the cabal. and lastly RP comes into play too. What your opponent will and won't do to kill you. ABS for mages is a very small part of pking and seaLing a kill. same with other preps.

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

When you ask, "How does X work". You have already come to a conclusion before asking the question. When people explain how it works instead of adapting whats in your head based on what they say you try to interpert what they said to be what was in your head.

The end result is that trying to explain game mechanics and tactics with you is like banging your head on a brick wall, you keep doing the same stuff (since you ignore the input of others) and you keep getting the same results.

Like Nep said, success is more often the combination of a lot of little things then it is just one or two major things.