I just got tooled by a Storm Zombie tagging along with a 25th level Necromancer.

The thing that angers me about this is that I have seen this for years and it always reaks of OOC connections.

The way Zombies are set up now is such that all a Necro has to do is have his Hero friends "forget" to sacrifice huge corpses and then he happens to stumble on them.

Necromancers have plenty of ways to kill you as it is. To have a built in cheat code is definitely worse than anything Japanese Porn producers can come up with.

I'm not going to listen to any arguments of "But you can do this that or the other to kill or avoid. know all the this that and the others.

If asking a mid level cabal mate to spend 20 minutes killing a big ass mob with you and then getting lucky on the animate is cheating then yes, I cheated.

I have to admit I laughed pretty hard when your orcorcorcorc plan failed like it did. Better luck next time?

I'll not be surprised if your name comes back to one of the rumored Perma's though.

Mid-level Cabal mates generally don't spend 20 minutes doing anything that doesn't help them directly, especially evil.

We'll see.

So helping someone In your sect get an army that can help counter raid faster, gather gold/gear and kill the enemies of the cabal is something only a permagroup does?

Compete for you for promotions, have power over you and may ultimatly betray you anyway?

I wouldn't.

The one exception however is within the same sect.

A level 25 necromancer getting an elite zombie is not going to pose such an immediate threat that they wouldn't help a lowbie necromancer. Thumbs up to the necro if it was you he killed.

But the original point is that you cannot get anywhere in empire by trusting no one at all and by default unless you act Prothero-like or Rogue-like or funnyone-like in your speech, that is by design supposed to be your sect.

You would be Cersee. Because you don't understand the nuance of how you get and keep power, you are just super ultra blunt about everything.

Characters like Tyrion, Littlefinger, Varys, and Jon Snow pretty much show you how you can work with people you know have different (often opposing) goals.

upwards of 50 people, has owned 2 businesses going on 4, supervised 8 agencies, has in all of his military evaluations excellence's in communication, and who has always attained the highest marks in communications skills, and who holds a degree in marketing that he doesn't know how to work with people because he's too blunt.

I think I can sum this up so there aren't further misunderstandings on your part.

####.... ----> You.

Full stop.

Unstop + P.S. (My skill is in the spoken not the written word.)

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has your level of understanding of your business?

No, they don't. Just like you don't have anything beyond the most basic understanding of this game. That you are an abrasive asshole is a secondary concern to the fact that you Just Don't Get It

And your first line of reasoning seems to have gone astray.

And I do get it. Or I get what you think I don't get. Consider that you just don't get me.

And I am done here.

And you needed to quit playing years ago. Everyone was tired of you making your arguments in exactly this fashion more than five years ago and it's why you keep having to come up with new names and why you got harrassed off qhcf.

Full Stop.

That you don't get that you are or have always been one is actually secondary to you not understanding the game, Tac is wrong.

The aspects I raise hell about aren't because I don't understand the counters, it's because the game shouldn't take 200+ hours to play for each character, 125 of them spent grinding through pointless repetitive exploration and twiddling one's thumbs for subjective 'longevity' or amorphous 'contribution to the game RP' that 75% of the population won't observe, to gain power that otherwise should have been put in a wiki long ago and the game balanced accordingly. Or theorycrafting the simplest possible characters that people will still die to.

You, however, take the stupidest tactic (bashing a necromancer without noticing a zombie of an elite storm giant soldier/lieutenant/commander) and then complain it doesn't work instead of either trying it a second time (he has to level sometime and therefore leave the zombie behind a door or will get lax on the rescue macro), trying it with better gear, or flat ganging, full saccing, multikilling and ghost camping whoever is irritating you with their tactics.

Punishing people for not playing the game how you prefer is entirely viable in this game, it's a matter of skill, class matchup, waiting for/forcing the other player to make a mistake, recognizing/capitalizing on it and luck combined with # of attempts on your part when you don't do so. That zombie isn't going to last him more than a few hours of the session he got it.

I wrote the rest for the benefit of everyone else besides you because you won't read this far. You really needed to just disappear along with Graatch, Rogue and funnyone.

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And you kept telling them they were wrong when they weren't...

They start to get justifiably nasty over the course of YEARS and you cry foul like a child again? The older imms do some of the same thing occasionally, you just happen to be legendary for it and it makes you look more stupid than you really are.

This didn't happen overnight pal, you're a dogmatic prick and have proven it for years. The finest politician, an admirable military serviceman and the worst type of human being to trust for an opinion on policy of everything ever.

You demand time, attention and discussion of your opinions you don't deserve because you have a closed mind and THAT is why your name is the butt end of the universal joke. This is not a hard thing to change in six months of rewriting every single thing you post like Detroit did. Even if you somehow manage to pick the most asinine things to complain about on a consistent basis, you would make more headway writing it how he did rather than writing it like no one recognizes your brilliance.

Keep playing, but stop posting.

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when someone(petyr) told Cersee she didn't know what was up she reacted by strongly re-assuring him she did (ordering her guards to kill him, then telling them to stop). It didn't change the fact that she in fact did not know what was up. Its like giving someone a loaded gun, they know how to pull the trigger and that has the same affect as an expert. But they don't know how to clean it, how to store it, the right kind of amunition to get, so while they might have the gun and be able to use it when it is prepped and handed to them if they were left on their own it likely would deterioirate and become useless because all they knew was how to pull the trigger, not how to maintain it.

Just because you have filled all of those roles (all of them where you were in a traditional position of control) does not neccesarily make you good at the whole convincing people that actually are in control or your peers of the merit of your ideas. I think the reaction on the boards speak pretty clearly in saying that thus far you have not been very sucessful in that regard.

"People are promoted to their level of incompetence"

To quote you: "Unstop + P.S. (My skill is in the spoken not the written word.)"

You realize this IS all in written word, right? Therefore all of that experience you mentioned means nothing on a forum or a MUD if all your skill is in the spoken word...

I do not think your thoughts in general are bad, but the way you come across when communicating them in writing does not help your case. If you had maybe started this thread like this:

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I just got tooled by a Storm Zombie tagging along with a 25th level Necromancer.

Anyone have any thoughts on the best way to deal with this? I know I can just avoid them, but what fun is that??

Also, how hard is it for a Level 25 to successfully raise one of these zombies? I would hope that it would not be that easy to do. Did he just get luck or is this normal? If I is normal, maybe I should make a Necro and find a high level friend to make high level corpses for me! It just seems painful to me that a Nec ro with sleep/blind/poison/etc/etc can also easily raise such a higher level zombie as well.
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If you go about your argument like the above, you could have gotten people to try and help you deal with it, got your point across that you think the only way for him to do it is to have a “friend” help him, and not be a complete @$$ about it all at the same time.


Author’s note: I am not saying I agree with his argument, just giving a better way to present it. I generally have not fought a lot of Necros so cannot speak to the problem.

It's nigh impossible to run companies well without skill in the written word.

I'm quite capable of generating professional documents.

But you guys seem to thrive on twisting everything on these forums and make it difficult if not impossible to stay on topic.

It's rare that I've read a thread where respondents have replied to what was written rather than what they think was said. (Often I believe this to be limited to the subject line.)

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Takes me longer to read and comprehend somethings that others write on here than it did for me to write that. Besides, I was actually in the office so I could not play CF like I can when I work from home.

And again, I was trying to help. Your posts tend to get people all fired up, agreed that is not all your fault, others need to relax too, but still. You could do a lot to help the situation by just changing the tone of your posts. More flies with honey theory and all. When someone comes at me and starts swearing "This $#1t sucks! You need to change it!" I get defensive as well. But if someone says "Hey, I think there maybe some ways to improve this." I tend to listen more to what they have to say.

Not the sub threads. The original posts Or the original post to a sub thread.. There may be a couple like this but the fact is most are not.

As soon as people realize it's me posting the entire thread devolves into an anti-profest.

99% of my posts are even keeled. When I through out some steam hear and there it's seized upon as if I only post in that fashion.

It aggrivates me that the Imms let the same 5 run on my threads the way they do, look back on the years of ignoring I have done to the likes of Jalim, Java, Scrimbul, etc. They still get blood in their eyes and attack me. It's only been relatively recently that I even acknowledged their existance but thast hasn't stopped them, or encouraged the Imms to stop them from blowing up my threads.

Look how many threads I post that I write one or two posts and the thread blows up but I'm the one said to be inflaming the whole thing.

Sure, there are some like this one, but they are the exception, not the rule.

So you'll excuse me if i could care less what some of you think. Frankly a lot of my ideas are implemented in the game, including a big one on Necromancers that was one of my more famous rants from years back. It was an incidental change as a result of a modification in the code, but the end result was hailed by none other than Valg as a good thing.

So the truth is, I bring far more to the forums for good than my detractors.

Unless you are 60 you failed miserably at each of those businesses and agencies. Presuming you are the max age of a CFer at 40 and entered the work force from the military at 22 you've had 18 years to run 12 different organizations. You were either fired or quit before you could actually accomplish anything.

Do you also tend to dominate your social groups? I bet you do.

I agree with Scrimbul. You don't have to leave but you should stop posting.

I have been in the Private sector since 97.

I have not punched a time clock since 2004. (With the exception of a short lived 2 month gig as a week end bouncer for a country music club.)

Don't post when you are angry.


Quoting you:

I'm not going to listen to any arguments of "But you can do this that or the other to kill or avoid.


That statement puts your entire post away from the direction of being anything valid, and firmly into the territory of "I just need to bitch loudly."


Here are some factors not mentioned which might help us figure out what you can do to have greater success in the future, in this situation:

- What class are/were you?
- Did the necromancer land sleep prior to this zombie curb-stomping?
- Did you see him in the area before the battle? If so, why did you stay?
- Did you type "where zombie" to see what you were up against before the fight broke out?
- What kind of gear did you have?
- How long have you played?
- Do you have an un-edited log of this encounter? If so, please post for critical analysis.


I'm trying to be helpful here. In ye olden days (and some not so olden days) I have been on both sides of every necromancer scenario you can think of. I do not think they are overpowered. If you don't want to accept that I (and others) know what we are talking about, that's up to you. But, necromancers aren't going anywhere, so I suggest you become better at dealing with them.

I was posting that a Necromancer at 25 can have a hero level Zombie. So I didn't want this to go on about what I did wrong in fighting a Necromancer.

I was bitching only about the Zombie.

Same guy could have just raised cloud scouts and kick your ass with them. You hardly need OOC connections to get good zombies.

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Since you initiated the combat, I'm assuming you thought you could rush up to the necromancer and bash him a few times to win. Things didn't turn out the way you expected. Live and learn. 95% of the time that strategy would have worked since necromancers are pretty feeble at low levels.

I don't know how he got the zombie, but his cabal affiliation might be a reasonable place to start.

Someone ignorant of how you ended up with some pretty nice gear at level 1 could have made the same unfounded accusations against you. If he got the corpse through help from his cabal, is that really so different than you getting some nice gear through the Clan?

Your point about good gear at low levels is a good one, or it would be if it wasn't something we all get lucky with once in a while.

But to get a big storm zombie you need some collaboration. Through out the ages I have seen this and fumed over it. Necromancers are mother ####ers at any range but at mid ranges they are hell when they land sleep. This guy didn't even land a "Where" He got in a flee and a north and by that time his zombie had walked 3/4ths of the way to killing me.

That they can destroy any class in game with near equal ease without exception and without pets is something that in my opinion should preclude them from being able to raise hero level mobs.

Like it was said below, in order to get high level mobs you have to get lucky. But here we are, Necro 14322 getting lucky with his Storm Zombie.

People whisper about perma's and I am more inclined to believe that than Necro's getting lucky with the same sorts of Zombies.

And I am more inclined to believe that than anything else you said.

Have a nice day.

> But to get a big storm zombie you need some collaboration

This isn't necessarily true.

(And trust me, you would rather fight the guy who leeched a zombie off of someone ten times than the guy who really knows the necromancer class and its limitations that well even once.)

Which I tend to think is the case when it comes to Storm Zombies at low levels.

Instead of saying I am wrong about this, why not say, "Ya know, he's right. Necromancers are already deadly without pets, why do they need to have the ability to raise Hero pets?"

I'm so right about this.

>I'm so right about this.

If you ever think this, about ANYTHING, you need to reevaluate how you go about seeking knowledge.

Do you know what has occurred too many times in the past couple of weeks or so, unlike the necromancer class dominating the low to mid level PK scene? You coming to the gameplay forum to whine about how whatever you are playing being underpowered or whatever killed you being overpowered, and then strenuously requesting said game mechanic be changed.

Maybe what really needs tweaking is you.

whine.

Reevaluate that.

Because if you did you wouldn't be making so many rediculous posts. Do you actually believe the #### that comes our of your mouth (in this case fingers I guess) or are you just spewing jibber jabber to vent?


If you are just venting could you just make a friend over AIM or something and vent to them instead of the whole community?

I don't AIM.

And contrary to what you believe about me, I do listen to feed back. People such as you fall off topic.

For instance, can you tell me what my vent was about? You get 1 guess. Good luck with your answer.

If your honest expectation is that someone reading your point is unlikely to even realize what it is... You need to be more clear.

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What does zombies are BS mean?

More importantly what I want to know is what goal did you hope to accomplish by posting "Zombies are BS".

I don't think Necro's should be able to raise hero zombies.

Maybe zombies that consider razor at most, and even that's pushing it for me.

My point is perfectly valid since both of you appear to have benefited from affiliation with an IC group (cabal and Clan). The necromancer that killed your character was not uncaballed.

The big question in my mind is this: even if you didn't bother to check for zombies accompanying a necromancer high enough to cast Animate Dead, why on earth did you initiate combat with him twice, since after the first bash you would have realized he had a storm giant zombie? I'm hoping you ran up spamming "bash necro" and he had the zombie rescue him between two of those. Not a great strategy, but that would at least be a reasonable explanation.

I have satellite hook up so there is a 1 second real life lag spike that pretty much requires me to spam if I am going to hit get the first hit. Unfortunately for me that means I usually get a command in twice before the normal lag of combat lets me switch to other moves.

Also, what my bitch is, is that they CAN get such high level mobs. Just one more thing that convinces me they along with other mages don't need abs at all.

You're wrong. Just plain wrong.

If you're smart, you can get a storm giant zombie or a similar strength zombie pretty easily. I found at least 2 mobs that I could kill solo with Mhournhul recently at level 25-30 - 1 zombie, 1 golem, and a merc made it so easy to upgrade the current zombie to a stronger zombie.

Stop being paranoid. Yes, there are incidences where it's through permas, but if you scream perma about something as ridiculous as this, you aren't going to enjoy the game.

BTW - I've killed my fair shares of necros easily, even with their zombie armies. Likewise, if I had the time and I really wanted to, I can 'abuse' the crap out of those mobs I found and multikill at mid-late 20s, early-mid 30s with those mobs that I found.

It's called experience, knowledge and skill. Not 'perma'.

And that's my point. Being able to raise such a high level mob is something that begs for perma/ooc connection help.

We all know people are sharing info/gear and helping each other. You even say as much in your post.

I don't believe that level 25's get lucky and consistently run around with Storm Mobs.

I remember back to what we did as the FTA and Diku clans and I'm sure it's the sort of thing that's still going on.

I'll leave it at that.

You're right. I don't know.

But I prefer not to be a sap and throw a sob story out there about how the perceived perma beat my orcorcorocorcorcorc orc.

In fact (and I know there are permas floating around), I prefer to enjoy the game for what it is and curbstomp the permas. Because in the end, it's a game. It's not something to bitch/cry/whine about.

In this situation, given what I know about the mechanics of the game and how long I've played it, I'm more inclined to think that it is not a perma.

Because I can do it alone. Or I can do it without a perma. And so can any somewhat skilled necro.

Even you can.

And thus, I enjoy the game more than the paranoid whiners out there crying wolf.

Why? Because ultimately it's your enjoyment.

Unless you enjoy stressing about the game and whining about permas. In which case, all the more power to you, even though you look like you need to be in diapers (you as in the people that are bitching, not you specifically pro).

High level zombies are hard as #### to raise. To the point where you kinda have to get lucky to do it. I agree that when it does happen, it's kind of a huge deal for a lvl 25 necro, but if your argument is that lvl 25 necro's are overpowered or something, you're dead wrong.

They are bash food. For as difficult as playing a necro is, one solid perk like that is completely acceptable to me. It seems to me that you just got tooled by a guy, and in the heat of the moment wrote the above message. Cool down next time, man. It really isn't as big a deal as you seem to have made it.

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