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TorakSun 11-Dec-11 03:17 PM
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#41867, "Morosa's charge, Polearm APs, and the item in question"


          

If we really want to go into it, let's talk about it here on the Gameplay board.

-There aren't exactly a lot of unholy polearm options. You want something non-metal, light, high average with a perk of some kind. There's a reason certain weapons are used a lot of the time for a solid unholy weapon. Almost every other weapon type has several better weapon choices for a lot of reasons and the item I'm talking about was hopefully going to help that out. The only two close options are Thunderlance which has drawbacks also and a certain Hell polearm which was basically race-restricted and heavy as hell with no real bonus beyond a high average.

-Morosascharge doesn't let you flee reliably at all in this situation. You get a small heal (real small if you have any a/b/s) and suddenly you can't run anymore for 2 ticks. Oh and smart opponents will see the echo and know this. You're now stuck there if...
1) You're fighting more than one thing
2) You don't have the 3-4 rounds to gamble morosa throwing them out of the room
3) You're blind as you stated since you can't excision blind. Almost every class in the game can blind (notice how Fjodir said it was the most annoying aspect of Champion of Man).
4) Not to mention if you're cursed at all or in a cursed room, using a polearm already stops the use of orbs of travel.

-As mentioned earlier, most APs like weapons that do cool things like blind your opponent, critically hit, do more to humans, cast custom spells, deafen, shock, poison, etc. Wearing an item that lets your opponent entwine you? Really? The only weapon I can even think of that even comes close to this is the spear that hurts you but even then you can survive, it doesn't give you a somewhat death sentence.

I'd love to see someone try a polearm unholy with this weapon in question or try any AP while never using flee/wimpy and see how it goes I assure you, it won't go well. I think I've been the only guy who has seriously tried doing a polearm-focused AP and it is severely handicapping for several reasons (you can read my Wiki entry on it if you want). Even looking at all of Fjodir's logs, arguably the strongest AP in awhile who had several Immortal perks to help him out....notice how much he uses flees in those logs? Almost every single one and a few even multiple times. He would have never had any significant charges with a weapon that self-entwines.

I think every Santa Zulg I've asked for something to do fixing polearm or flail APs and I'm usually shot down. This time I just wanted an item that never gets used to be changed but apparently that's too much as well.

Anyways, done with the rant. Wooooooosawwww (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hibtZPMF9D0). I can be calmer around things like Hunters but it is items like this that make me wonder if we're playing the same game.

  

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Reply Meh. Kasty meant it to be that way., TMNS, 11-Dec-11 03:24 PM, #1
     Reply Don't really understand the argument, Torak, 11-Dec-11 03:31 PM, #2
          Reply RE: Don't really understand the argument, Zulghinlour, 11-Dec-11 04:00 PM, #3
               Reply Ok, Word Police..., Torak, 11-Dec-11 08:06 PM, #4
                    Reply I don't think its a big deal, laxman, 12-Dec-11 11:28 AM, #5
                         Reply Thror's religion is designed to be pretty anti AP if I ..., Abernyte, 13-Dec-11 10:00 AM, #6
                              Reply Mostly in the sense you should be taking risks and dyin..., Artificial, 13-Dec-11 10:12 AM, #7
                              Reply what part?, laxman, 13-Dec-11 10:39 AM, #8

TMNSSun 11-Dec-11 03:24 PM
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#41868, "Meh. Kasty meant it to be that way."
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Just like the unicorn horn and its' drawbacks (which affected Fjodir).

Sucks, but I'd try and get in touch with Kasty. The other immortals won't step on his toes so you're just asking for something that won't happen.

  

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TorakSun 11-Dec-11 03:31 PM
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#41869, "Don't really understand the argument"
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If Kasty was around (is he?), I'm fine with him saying yes or no but blanketing the response by saying "he wanted it that way".....aren't all the Santa Zulg items written by someone who "wanted it that way"? What is wrong with looking at something and fixing it? I wasn't aware that things written in an area received such special treatment.

The unicorn horn popping out of your hand isn't even as bad honestly. He shouldn't had been using it anyways and when he found out it did that he immediately switched unholies.

In any case, I thought Kastellyn was gone - so there's no Santa Kasty.

  

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ZulghinlourSun 11-Dec-11 04:00 PM
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#41870, "RE: Don't really understand the argument"
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>What is wrong with looking at something and fixing it?

Nothing. This isn't broken, regardless of what you think.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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TorakSun 11-Dec-11 08:06 PM
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#41873, "Ok, Word Police..."
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>>What is wrong with looking at something and fixing it?
>
>Nothing. This isn't broken, regardless of what you think.
>

Tweak it

  

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laxmanMon 12-Dec-11 11:28 AM
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#41875, "I don't think its a big deal"
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I only have a vague inclination of what your talking about (some polearm progs when using morosas charge to give you a heal and make it so you can't flee? sounds like aristea to me which despite the drawbacks is useful)

In general I look at the AP class and they have a lot of options out there as it currently stands. If they have fewer super crazy options for one weapon its not the end of the world (its just like leaving overhead and cross in for warriors, only in super rare situations would it be the ideal choice but doesn't hurt to leave them in).

As far as that one polearm from hell... I would drool to see that on an emperor with the trapping legacy or a berserker. A weapon that maxes out trapping and is no-disarm doesn't need any progs, that alone is wildly awsome. Of course you lose the no-disarm by making it an unholy though.

Is there also some reason you left the pincer staff off the list?

Also just imagine an AP with the full use of Thrors tat and a big weapon. Talk about potentially silly situations of overpowerdness.

  

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AbernyteTue 13-Dec-11 10:00 AM
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#41892, "Thror's religion is designed to be pretty anti AP if I ..."
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ArtificialTue 13-Dec-11 10:12 AM
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#41893, "Mostly in the sense you should be taking risks and dyin..."
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laxmanTue 13-Dec-11 10:39 AM
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#41894, "what part?"
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His religion is mostly about overcoming hardship and confronting challenges to better yourself and shape the world around you. He has stated in the past that his religion is open to mages, just seems nobody has ever given it a try.

I could see thrors religion as being anti-conjie or necro considering his attitude on accepting help but I swear there have been Thror tribs and he had no issue with them using guards. Or thror imperials who used centurions.

  

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