I started this thread in order to get some discussion about this. I don't even play CF seriously at the moment (I have a lowbie who I am contemplating deleting...the lowbie has ~50hrs in 2 months), so I have no horse in this race...

...but that being said, while I think these decisions make for cool interactions and interesting cabal dynamics, I can't really say I'm a fan of this IF IT IMM DRIVEN OR SET IN STONE. Ie, if I roll a orderly neutral shifter, get cheetah and rhino with copperhead, get Provost...I'm reversing that order right away, and probably BARRING GOODIES FROM TRIBUNAL. Would that be something that could happen at the moment (assuming I get Provost of course)? Or is it hard-coded that now Trib is closed to evils?

The Maran not attacking in towns is a little more defensible and a little more wiggle-room IMHO. I remember when Arrna initiated the no-looting rule for Fortress chars, and me and Jalim used to talk a lot about how if we killed Ahtieli, you could be damn sure we were fulling her down to the pies (because, well, she hadn't died in about a year and she was a lich). I remember talking to Arrna IC about this, and the interactions we had were fantastic. While she stuck to her guns, she did say there were exceptions to the rules, but that those would be dealt with in a case-by-case scenario.

Thoughts from both players and IMMs would be appreciated.

Personally I think it's a huge steaming load. All it does is pressure evils into one specific cabal, which quite frankly being a imperial is not that entertaining at all. Afterall if your not someones IM buddy or neighbor your more than likely going to die of old age before someone weeds out the scions that are not active and get inducted. Evils need the option of the spire open to them; who wants to be a Outlander anyways

Then on the subject of the topic being RP oriented why is it that all of the Provosts seem to log in for nano seconds, promote and promptly leave, then vanish into obscurity for days at the time. Personally I've played 3 tribunals in recent months and saw the current Provosts maybe twice in total. It just seems to me that something that affects such a large population of the playerbase shouldn't be RP'd if the characters are not making a great effort to make their presence known.

Argue away thats just my own personal opinion. Take it for what you think its worth.

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to a point I think the Provost should be more active but i think the tribunal if they are going to do things like this should have more leaders. And they all should have an opinion.

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Especially Imperials should never want to ally with a bunch of people who are doing the same things as the Empire, but without having taken the oath.

You don't get to be an Empire if you tolerate competition. Either you're with us, or you're against us and you certainly can't be both. Yet, that's exactly what most evil Tribs are.

Being that I was running the character that started this, I guess I can weigh in a little bit. I'm pretty sure some of this came out of some suggestions on FB on how to make tribby a better cabal. I remember reading one about not inducting evils cause they all had Empire to fall into. Couple days later IC I was approached by Marcatis about the Idea. And I jumped at it as much for the IMMTerraction as for anything else.

After a lot of IC haggling with the current provost, the then Marshall, and even IC talking to Baer about it in one of our talks, we made it happen.

Suffice it to say, I do not think that it is Hard coded to not allow evils, but they do require Imm approval from an IC standpoint before being inducted IIRC.

As for the Maran part, that was the one where I took the most heat I think. And as Morin I still stand by the decision, it was worth the cost to get Evil's out of the spire. I think now with Ajeagre deleting that they are all gone. COuld be wrong though.

But didn't see him much with Aje at the end so might be autoing soon. Was hoping to be the last

To my knowledge, this whole situation is nothing more than an agreement between cabals being roleplayed out by various players. I'm certain it has IMM endorsement, but the feel of it that I got during my recent stint in the Fortress is that it's mainly a new leader trying to mix things up. That he found some Tribbies willing to play along is fantastic.

These things should happen from time to time, like when Knacnar forged the very uneasy truce with The Empire. Changing the cabal dynamics significantly, but briefly seems to be a way to make things interesting without changing the core of how the game operates.

Sure, it may inconvenience a player or two, but they always have the option of RPing out a solution. If somebody has a Necro who they are dying to get into The Spire right now, let them find a way to make it happen. Make a deal with a greedy god, arrange for the downfall of the current Tribunal leaders, induce Maran into breaking the agreement. Figure it out.

As for the Maran side of things, as a N/G elf with a very clear-cut view of things, if I thought I could get away with an attack in town I'd take it.