All Paladins are required to follow the Paladin Code. All of them. Without exception.

If you follow a Code stringently, you're Orderly. By definition.

I don't understand why Paladins are currently allowed to choose "neutral". I assume it goes back to when it was "Lawful" (rather than Orderly), and to give some (rare few) Paladins the option to occasionally break laws.

That's not an issue any more.



Paladins must follow the Paladin Code. Therefore, they're Orderly. Yes?

I'm unsure how choosing to follow one specific code should make
a person "orderly" in every single aspect of their life.

Personally I like having the option.

Paladins have to follow the code in EVERY aspect of their lives.

Otherwise they aren't following the code. Hell, even the worst of villains occasionally behaves in accordance with the code.

It isn't that they happen to follow one code, it's that following that specific code faithfully is a pretty orderly commitment and requires an orderly lifestyle.

Assuming "orderly ethos" != "lawful ethos" of old, I think Paladins should always be orderly.

They might be "lawful" but not necessary orderly. The connection ethos and lawfulness is not strict, which is why you can have orderly battle ragers that still break the law.

You can respect the law and tribs but not be an orderly person.

Paladins don't have to be "lawful". They have to "respect" the laws, but not necessarily believe in them or follow them to the letter in all cases.

HOWEVER, they DO have to follow the Paladin's Code exactly, and without exception. They dedicate their entire LIFE to that Code. It is that fact that makes Paladins ORDERLY.

Even if a few of them aren't necessarily Lawful.

Edited:

I misunderstood you first as I skimmed your post. Anyway, I still disagree with following a code and being orderly. I mean you can make a rager that follows the tablet exactly without him having to be orderly

If you're being strict about it, the storm giants are by definition chaotic good (I believe it's still in the helpfiles, certainly used to be). Would that rule them out from being a paladin?

I think you can live by a Code without being overly Orderly. Orderly implies a strict adherence to a structured life in all regards (personal hygiene, equipment, behaviors, etc..), essentially being completely predictable. You can still live by a simple Code without all of those other strictures though, say the Outlanders who are largely Chaotic in nature, still live by a Code written in the Tree.

Plus, everyone is going to a little bit different flavor of Orderly, Neutral, or Chaotic. Even following the Paladin Code has some room for flexibility (e.g. dealing with the greater evil of the moment).

Just my 2 cents.

Eh. You can be orderly good storm warrior or healer or shaman, so I'd think no.

Why can you be an OG storm anything if the racial characteristics indicate a CG nature? At least without some really good role-playing reason for the difference.

It may well be a game balance thing (I've always suspected so) but if we're being picky about paladins being only OG........


Heck, I've always wondered how a paladin could be in Tribunal and work side by side with anti-paladins and necromancers and the like.

Life is full of interesting contradictions and it seems games are too.

It does not make sense to me that someone would make nice to the Chancellor, Emperor, or an anti-paladin Provost just because he is in a protected city or serves on the local constabulary.

I think it means being civil, and that you respect their position, not the actual person. Not sure why you put in Chancellor since they have nothing to do with laws and enforcing them.

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Personally, I agree.

However, if you're saying because they follow standards and rules they should be orderly, I disagree. A lot of groups, IC and IRL have set procedures and standards, yet they could be considered "neutral" or "chaotic" in their goals.

That's Orderly.

Everything a Paladin does or doesn't do should (in theory) be based on the Paladin Code.

Orderly.


It isn't just a loose set of guidelines, like you might have in Outlander.

I agree that Paladins ought to be OG, but that's mostly because I'm a stickler for the way the class was designed in AD&D (2d Edition.) I think that part of being a Paladin is knowing that you must stay your hand at times, even if Evil Bastard! is standing right in front of you.

However, I disagree with this:

>If you follow a Code stringently, you're Orderly. By definition.

If your code is: Do what feels good
you're likely not all that orderly.