The response the staff is too jaded and pissed off at you ####ing whiners to bother making:

a) I thought the IC note regarding entry was great. It's an entirely appropriate way to screen candidates in accordance to the nature of the cabal, and frankly, isn't that hard.

b) The people who don't want to use that venue are lazy and boring, and not in a cool IC way. I'd rather have an empty Scion than one filled with lazy powerranking wankers, and I imagine that's the staff's position, too.

c) Scion is supposed to be way more secretive and exclusive than Maran, so that comparison isn't really valid.

d) Keep doing what you're doing Mergulla; you're an admin, you should stick to your guns, regardless of popular opinion. Don't let them bully you just because you have a vagina.

e) It seems to me like the purge was a great opportunity to start from "scratch", and the staff is rightfully making sure people earn things based on merit, not just because they beat everyone else to it thanks to double XP. Empty leader positions and cabals is evidence of this unspoken policy. Which, by the way, should probably be spoken, so people will stop whining about this kind of crap.

Splntrd

...you have people who are full Maran during that same period of time, when Maran is supposed to take (according to the IMMs) from 50-150 hrs.

You have people who ranked to hero and became villagers THE FIRST DAY CF WAS BACK UP. Which is the most exgregious to me, because the worst part about being a villager is the time before you're a full villager; you can't use magic and everyone knows your an app and you're just hoping to get enough rec's to get in, etc etc. So you basically had people circumvent the main drawback of being a rager. And now you're ADDING drawbacks to those who wish to join Scion (which, by the way, is the true engine of cabal wars...when Scion is strong the game is just better, no facts or numbers supporting that just a few years of CF experience) by making them jump through hoops.

I mean, the facts are indisputable. You have every cabal with members right now, except Scion.

Look, I'm not saying what the IMMs are doing is wrong. I'm just saying they shouldn't be shocked when people are upset. There are people who want to be able to play Scion and when there are a ton of hoops to jump through you'll find some people just would rather say #### it (nothing against that line of thinking either, because honestly, a lot of us have better things to do with our time).

So basically, if I'm giving advice to any potential Scion, and to a lesser extent Empire, it's this.

Don't log on for the last next few weeks except to keep your gear and add role entries and maybe explore a bit. I've seen what happens to the hero range evil non-ragers (much less hero range scions) and they are getting RAPED. Wait until the IMMs make up their mind about what the hell they want Scion to be (don't we have this problem like every freaking year?) and then start playing again. Trust me, you'll have more fun.

They could just suck it up and play a decent character and get inducted, and be a part of the solution, rather than just avoiding the problem entirely.

Edit: The first guy to do this will undoubtedly be rewarded handsomely, which is way more fun than just... not playing. Like you suggested.

Splntrd

...is that some players will enjoy crawling through a ####-smelling tunnel for 500 yards if they can make it out the other side smelling of roses.

Others will just wait until they get paroled, because crawling through that tunnel isn't as important to them, nor do they really care if they come out smelling like roses.

Basically, the IMMs haven't figured out what they want to Scion to be. Everytime they get an IMM to take over and run it the way that IMM wants it to be run, they delete or disappear, so basically, you've had 5 different IMMs in charge of Scion in the last 4 years, and they all want different things for the cabal.

Just ####ing tell us how the cabal is going to be. If it's going to be the way it is now with Mergulla, then ####ing keep it that way, don't change it the moment a heroimm gets a religion and takes over the cabal because then you'll just keep compounding the problem.

PS And if you think this was a glorified excuse to compare Shawshank to CF, well then, you know me too well.

>Basically, the IMMs haven't figured out what they want to
>Scion to be.

I don't think that's necessarily more true for Scion than any other cabal. For any cabal, there are certain ideas and standards that the IMPs push on cabal runners whether they like it or not, and many other things with which they have a freer hand.

Granted, Scion changed a lot around the time it became a more elite cabal and Empire came back, but I really don't think the cabal has changed that much since. Sure, a Valg has a different idea about who he wants to induct as a priority than an Eshval than a Beroxxus than a Mergulla, but... most of the inductions ultimately are still done by mortals and there's only so much direction in that beyond "Hey, your cabal is three people from full, pick well."

>Sure, a Valg has a different idea about who he wants to induct as a priority than an Eshval than a Beroxxus than a Mergulla, but... most of the inductions ultimately are still done by mortals and there's only so much direction in that beyond "Hey, your cabal is three people from full, pick well."<

Can't say what you're saying doesn't hold water. Just that I've gotten into Scion through both IMM inductions and player inductions, and I found that the player induction is 250% easier JUST BECAUSE unless you play a bunch of Scions under that IMM and you know what they look for in an app.

I don't know, just seems like Scion is usually 95% rudderless in terms of directions other than whatever that immortal running the cabal feels like gifting the members (like, did that quest we did for Eshval and Muuloc with the circlet and #### ever do anything tangible for Scion? I don't know, I deleted before I could check, but you did lead the cabal at the time. Later it seemed that the item was still important with my next Scion, as if the quest never finished).

>#### ever do anything tangible for Scion? I don't know, I
>deleted before I could check, but you did lead the cabal at
>the time. Later it seemed that the item was still important
>with my next Scion, as if the quest never finished).

The short version is:

- Yes, that quest came to a pretty interesting conclusion and

- That item predates that quest, always holds some usefulness for Scion, but had an additional significance during that quest.

Kinda what I figured, I always wondered though.

From what I've seen, Scion really hasn't changed much at all from Imm to Imm, and yeah, I've been paying attention. Not only that, whatever changes you THINK have happened, and whatever instability you are perceiving in policy, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the general complaint that Scion is leaderless and (until recently) memberless. You're using this thread as a springboard to talk about what's really a completely separate issue, that, frankly, seems to be entirely imagined.

The whole point of the thread was that Scion's current perceived problems with members and leaders aren't actually problems at all, and if they were, they certainly won't be solved by your suggestion, which was simply to not play Scions.

So, you know, good job getting out your soapbox and getting all red in the face over... nothing.

Splntrd

NT

Seriously, it's blank slate time. We're two weeks post-purge. The only thing wrong with Scion is that everyone THINKS something's wrong with Scion.

Splntrd

WTF?

>I mean, the facts are indisputable. You have every cabal with
>members right now, except Scion.

Technically, that's not correct anymore.

I'm probably going to ignite a flamewar, but:

A) A few people are in Scion. More would be nice (and will happen), but since the max size of the cabal runs around a dozen people, that's not that bad in the grand scheme of things.

B) A few more people are in some part of the process of being inducted.

C) Some, but not all, of the characters that are left just aren't that great and would probably struggle to be inducted into Scion pfiles-just-purged or not. I mean, if you're the 0-12 guy who also can't manage to stay in character? No one's in a rush to induct that guy.

Thanks, honestly, that explained a lot. Sometimes bad news is better than no news, in a way.

I'm no being assholishly sarcastic either, I honestly mean it.

Because there are scions.

Sorry to bust your bubble but the whole Villager on the first day remark is absolutely false.

This whole instant gratification thing is getting kind of rediculous. What's more rediculous is players thinking that berating a volunteer member of our staff is going to change things.

And seeing as how you're the only IMM to give my current the time of day, I really don't want to disagree with you.

But there is a certain char, who was a village app when I rolled up on the first day CF was back up, by the time I quit out that night (10 hrs later by the way, damn you Zulg) he no longer had village app after his name and he was in hero range.

So, unless you guys aren't counting him or a certain fire giant I don't know what to say.

And glad to see absolutely no one but Daevryn read my first post with their brain. He just must be too used to dealing with me.

PS Hint: The part where I write : (paraphrased) What the immortals have done isn't wrong.

PPS Basically what cracks me up here, is that I'm arguing a point I don't personally subscribe too, BECAUSE SOMEONE NEEDS TO ARGUE IT.

I come off so horribly in text

...and I love you too my friend, however:

I could be wrong about two giants. So I concede to this point unless I actually check in game to verify. I didn't begin inducting until I felt some time had been associated with some characters. This wasn't the first day.

Do you really feel it's relevant to play devil's advocate on a point that's been made literally, a dozen times in the past 6 months? I mean, I've not been back for too long, but I've been back to see this whole thread rehashed several times with the same outcome.

It feels like a complete waste of your time, my time and any immortal who responds to this thread.

Should have just stop posting after that.

Bleh, you're right. Just a drawn out drama fest wasting all our times.

Except for the Shawshank reference ( which no one probably read ). That was gold Jerry!

I love a Kenny Banya(No clue how it is spelled) reference. Well done sir. And Shawshank references are also nice to see.

I haven't rolled a character yet, so can't weigh in on anything about current situations. I liked scion when I was in it for what it was worth though. I'm not powergamey, and I can't pk, so there are hope for all people wanting to try scion, just rp some and you'll get in. Can't come up with quality evil rp? Here you go:

Scion app says to Imm: Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

I know I would induct the first person to pull out that gem.