Just so you know. I was Dijah, and this was my first bard i've played on here, so just wanted to try some things out, but damn if it aint hard to do that always being ganged down.


I dont have alot of hero characters, so this is my 3rd one I think, but fighting in the hero ranks is complete BS. Fighting in the 20's and 30's is so much more fun that right now. I love this game. I am so freaking addicted to this game, but fighting at hero ranks. I mean come on people, Grow a pair.

From what I see at hero. All it is are group fights. You have one cabal who speaks about honor, but fights with two others, and needs the songs of a hero bard to come fight.

You have another cabal who just sits at their HQ so noone can see them, and just sits there. Just sits

What's even more funny is that when one person logs on, it's like the whole group logs on. You have one leader on, and now all of a sudden four more show up.

I never really understood what everyone complained about when it came to this game, but now I see. Everything is nothing more than a big group fight. Everyone knows bards dont do good until they get to the 40's and learn symphonic song. Then, you learn nightmare song. I get that. That is why I would group with someone, because I couldn't kill anything.

I'm not going to complain about the game. I like the game, it's interesting. I like Enlilth, I think he's a really cool IMM, and I like Empire, but damn if I dont get ganged down, ALL THE TIME.


Maybe it's just not my playing style to play as a bard. I sing a song and three round lag comes after that. THat's fine, just took some getting use to.

I had fun with that character, but got kind of boring all the time when I always needed others to fight along side with me to even it up. Now, raiding fortress today, and getting desroyed by an invoker, cranial by a dwarf villager, and punched in the face by another villager, it just wasn't fun anymore. Just not for me. Maybe it's my bard, or maybe it's because I'm use to warriors instead, just wanted to try something new.

Villagers:

I actually liked you guys.

Maran/OUtlander "bond" Something should be done about this.

I dont think any cabal should have an alliance with any other cabal. They are outlanders, you are maran. WHy are you bonded with that cabal? Is it just so you can have infinite groups of 4 on one?

It just got very lame, that is all i'm saying, and not fun at all. I know dijah was weak, and would have been until I learned how to distort, but dang, fight me one on one, once in a while.,

I had fun, but ultimately I dont like hero fights. I'm not a bard player, i learned that, and honestly, the next person who tries to complain about Imperial bards with tactics, or Emperor powers being Overpowered, just be quiet. The Empire has always got everyone looking to kill them in groups, so it is justified why the powers in the Empire are pretty good. I'll be back, but not as a bard. heh.


P.S. To the imm that took away experience from me because he said I logged in another character, and did who/where all the time, you were completely wrong. I dont know what your problem is, but you talked to me as If I didn't know what was going on. You assumed everything, when in all actuality, you were completely wrong. As a bard in empire, I got paranoid. I typed who pk/where all the time to see who was coming, because there was always someone coming. Just because I do it with another character doesn't mean that there's a penalty about it. Humans are creatures of habit, and I continued that habit with my other character. I dont care in the grand scheme of things, but your all knowing attitude was completely wrong.

Had fun fights with villagers. You guys are interesting I'll say that.

You aren't the first person with this complaint.

It may appear that way for some individuals, but it is not cabal-wide. The evil 1/5 of Outlander is hunted by Fortress, and if they are in the mountains it is to look for the abundance of targets of opportunity to come through there. The middle 1/2 of the cabal often attacks dwarves and paladins, and occasionally even the good Outlanders (I remember a storm giant shaman) will jump in on that fight.

Something similar happens in the Imperial lands, where you will often find Tribunals doing mercenary work on the side and the occasional studly Scion juggernaut looking to jump in on a fight and scare the beejeezus out of everyone they find. It isn't always handholding, it's opportunism.

Outlander powers are wilderness oriented. To encourage the cabal to pk the other cabals away from the Fortress more, their pk powers would need to have broader scope or enemy cabals (particularly Balator/Imperial lands) would need to be more outlander friendly.

>What's even more funny is that when one person logs on, it's
>like the whole group logs on. You have one leader on, and now
>all of a sudden four more show up.

Based on what Valguarnera described below, people who do what you do (i.e. quit immediately when the odds are bad) are the reason the numbers stay lopsided for longer periods than they might otherwise.

>I never really understood what everyone complained about when
>it came to this game, but now I see. Everything is nothing
>more than a big group fight.

If you're complaining about group fights during raid situations, then that's just the way it is. They're not bringing numbers because of you, per se, but because they have to fight you *and* the cabal inners. If you're complaining about group fights in general, then I'm with you on that. Personally, I prefer killing people by myself to killing people in a group. In a group, it's mostly about spamming your lag skills, since you have sufficient melee damage to kill the guy if you can just keep him in place.

P.S. To the imm that took away experience from me because he said I logged in another character, and did who/where all the time, you were completely wrong. I dont know what your problem is, but you talked to me as If I didn't know what was going on. You assumed everything, when in all actuality, you were completely wrong. As a bard in empire, I got paranoid. I typed who pk/where all the time to see who was coming, because there was always someone coming. Just because I do it with another character doesn't mean that there's a penalty about it. Humans are creatures of habit, and I continued that habit with my other character. I dont care in the grand scheme of things, but your all knowing attitude was completely wrong.

Looks like this happened:
1) You log on as Dijah.
2) You ask your cabalmates where the Codex is.
3) They tell you it's at Outlander.
4) You complain that Outlander is mean.
5) You cut link a couple minutes after logging in and seeing a hostile range.
6) You log on a level 1 character and start checking the 'who' list repeatedly for a while. As a level 1. Who never goes anywhere.
7) You delete the level 1.

Given that:
1) You've had at least 14 characters with rules infractions.

You can:
1) Expect to be watched closely and smacked for character mixing when we see it.

I hope that summarizes the state of things for you. Quitting when you log in and don't see favorable odds isn't looked on well by either staff or players.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

>Just so you know. I was Dijah, and this was my first bard
>i've played on here, so just wanted to try some things out,
>but damn if it aint hard to do that always being ganged down.

My only exposure to Dijah was him trying to gang the hell out of a lowbie I had been messing around with with a fairly giant gang, so that pretty much invalidates everything else you had to say about ganging in my mind.

Don't dish out what you can't take.

>Everyone knows bards dont do good
>until they get to the 40's and learn symphonic song.

Anyone who "knows" that is wrong. You can PK, even PK groups solo if you're good, with a bard at any level of the game.

>I dont think any cabal should have an alliance with any other
>cabal. They are outlanders, you are maran. WHy are you bonded
>with that cabal? Is it just so you can have infinite groups of
>4 on one?

Please don't run your mouth about things you don't understand.

>P.S. To the imm that took away experience from me because he
>said I logged in another character, and did who/where all the
>time, you were completely wrong.

I'm sure there's more to that story than you're telling.