Ok, right now I have a dagger specialists who isn't to old, but I just keep getting my arse kicked by this dwarf warrior. I just keep missing my attacks, artery, stab, and getting smacked in the face. When I perfect these skills will they become less likely to miss the opponent? Because right now I just feel like giving up on my dagger specialists even when parry and dodge is almost perfected. I still get hit all the time. You think I should keep going with it, and learn the skills better? Am I missing something with dagger specialists? Do I need to incorporate alot of fleeing, and coming back with hamstring slices, or underhands? I'm learning that this class isn't the class where you can just sit there and stand infront of another person and just slash them. I still haven't got to the rank where I can learn hurl, twist, ect.. I just learned artery.

You think dagger specialists will get so much better when they get all their skills learned to perfection? I'm just tired of missing a deep gash and getting smacked all the time. Eventhough, I just learned the skill, but the effects of the skill are great though.

I just need some suggestions with fighting as a dagger specialists. I kind of feel like giving up with him just because I let them hit me more then they actually do, by missing attacks.

Also, about hurl. I read the help file but there isn't a help file on what happens to the opponent when you hit them in each bodypart. I've seen when you hit them in the chest, they lose strength, but what about if you hit them in the throat, shoulder, leg, ect.. What happens to the opponent?

When fighting a magi, should I be concentrating on hitting them in the throat? One thing I have noticed is that when fighting other warriors I have an envenomed dagger, but I also have a jeweled one too. Should I try for tactical purposes be wielding the envenomed one for the strength loss, eventhough the jeweled one is so much better?

I just need some all around help with dagger specialists. Anything you got can help, and I've looked alot at those delekan/Rektath(sp?) threads, and I guess it's just a different kind of fighting. SOme with fleeing, and dashing back with hurls. I'm learning, but slowly.

Thanks

Is to stick with the character. Like you said, you've just gotten artery and haven't played with the other skills in the specialization.

You sound like a newer player, and the best thing to do as a newer player is stick with your character. Maybe not until con-death, but at least until you feel comfortable with the specialization and you've experimented using different tactics against different classes, and also different classes have tried different tactics against you. Make note of these things for the future, because they will not only help you if you decide to make a kickass dagger spec in the future, but will also help you fight dagger specs as other characters down the road. You can loot the nicest gear, the best preps, and still get owned by someone who knows what they're doing with a certain class.

Basic dagger spec tips:

1) Wear shield until you get the maladicts off
2) Dual wield weapons that the class you are fighting does not learn (i.e. mace for ranger, axe for thief/bard, etc.)
3) Remember the material type of the weapon you are using (use that jeweled dagger against drow since its mithril and physical attack agaisnt other races that resist magic/poison since the envenomed dagger will be resisted against, use the envenomed dagger against elves and giants since its iron and magical attack)

I think your problem is more basic than tactics - you gotta realize, a dagger spec is IRRITATING as all hell to level up. Your fighting style is based off heavy maledicts, which means you want to land all your abilities, which means you have to master them. This means doing a LOT of boring fighting against mobs. Yes, you will get pummeled as you spam your specs while ranking. Just keep at it. Once your abilities are mastered you'll be quite deadly.

Remember, dagger specs some of the most fragile warriors out there, seeing as their defenses have no enhancement. You'll experiment with abilities later, but first you have to get them mastered.

Hurl, as I've understood it:

chest = -str
leg = -dex
throat = muted(no speaking/singing/spellcasting) for the rest of the tick.


Feel free to correct me if there are any mistakes.

When you're in a pk situation, use a shield. One dagger, one shield...unless you have multiple arms, which I doubt. The only time you should stop using that shield and throw on another weapon is after you have maledicted your opponent enough to where you control the fight either through str or dex loss. And don't be afraid to hit a hamstring and artery, flee to a healer, and come back to finish them off. Anyway, that's it.

1) Drop strength: Open with hurl, then artery, using a poison dagger.

2) Drop dex: Open with hamstring, flee, return and hurl leg.

1) Is more useful than 2), because more characters are hurt by strength loss.

That's about as much as is useful to say in a post like this, it's super basic but you'll usually not look like a fool. If you want to get better than that, start by figuring out (as exactly as possible) what each skill does, and how that will impact your specific opponent. Throat hurling a mage is sometimes good, sometimes horribly wrong. There's nothing that always works. You would probably have less tempting wrong choices with a sword spec though. And an easier time reequipping. And more time to flee. Just remember to wear +str eq (and noremove weapons) or the dagger specs will own you.

If you are missing lots, it might be worth it to gear for a bit more hitroll. 20+ is usually what you are looking for, but if you already have that, I'd try throwing on a couple of the +4 tarnished silver rings and see if that makes a difference.

Also, as far as dagger defense goes, you aren't going to parry well with daggers (they're very small) especially if they're wielding something like axes. Dwarves tend to take axes/maces/flails above things like swords or spear/staff which you might have better luck parrying with daggers.