I'd like to request the following changes:

Autosplit: If my autosplit is off, then no one splits coins with me (and I don't split coins with them).

Autogem: Allows me to automatically loot gem-type items, for example, emeralds, peridots, etc.

These two changes (although a little late for me) would be a significant factor in easing some of the burdens of being an outlander.... at least in my opinion.

Autosplit: If my autosplit is off, then no one splits coins with me (and I don't split coins with them).

Doesn't the NOGIVE command negate their AUTOSPLIT? When I play an evil, I routinely have my AUTOSPLIT off when my groupmates don't - gets me more gold when ranking, which I personally like.

Autogem: Allows me to automatically loot gem-type items, for example, emeralds, peridots, etc.

There are no ranking type mobs I can think of that carry gems or other treasure objects vice coins. If you kill a mob and they have treasure, you can get it from the corpse or the ground like you would with their other equipment. Or you can just turn AUTOLOOT on prior to killing them.

If you're talking about automatically looting treasure items from PC corpses, that's not going to happen. None of the AUTO-X commands work with PC corpses, and I'm definitely fine with that. I can already hear folks clambering for the AUTOLIMITED command.

Kastellyn the Devourer of Magic, Lord of Legends

Doesn't the NOGIVE command negate their AUTOSPLIT?

Yes, yes it does.

When I play an evil, I routinely have my AUTOSPLIT off when my groupmates don't - gets me more gold when ranking, which I personally like.

I am aware of this "tactic" and consider it a fair trade off that it would only be beneficial if you deliver the majority of the killing blows. I've killed groupmates for less, but this is kinder/gentler CF, neh? Having nogive on does more than negate autosplit.

There are no ranking type mobs I can think of that carry gems or other treasure objects vice coins.

Doesn't this seem... I dunno... severly wrong?

If you kill a mob and they have treasure, you can get it from the corpse or the ground like you would with their other equipment. Or you can just turn AUTOLOOT on prior to killing them.

I most certainly could, but I did bring it up for a reason, and not due to lack of familiarity with the get command.


I was not talking about, nor am I even considering auto-x for PC corpses.

I am aware of this "tactic" and consider it a fair trade off that it would only be beneficial if you deliver the majority of the killing blows. I've killed groupmates for less, but this is kinder/gentler CF, neh? Having nogive on does more than negate autosplit.

I'd welcome a groupmate challenging me when I do this. Would be fun.

I know NOGIVE does more than negate autosplit; I just pointed it out as an option you can use that currently exists to achieve the effect that you wanted, while also pointing out that your suggestion, while working well for Outlanders, doesn't work well for everyone else.

There are no ranking type mobs I can think of that carry gems or other treasure objects vice coins.

Doesn't this seem... I dunno... severly wrong?

Depends. Coins are the currency of Thera. Most NPCs and MOBs will carry coins because of this. Treasure, while definitely valuable, is limited in what you can buy with it.

Think of it this way: the untrained eye has very little ability to differentiate between grades and quality of gems. The best it can do is maybe estimate size, and make a rough guess as to value. The baker in Galadon doesn't have a trained eye; he'd much rather take standardized copper coins in exchange for his sweet, sweet berry pies.

Extrapolate that to other mobs in the game. Why would, say, a guard be carrying around gems instead of copper? He's certainly not going to accept being 'paid' for his services in gems, simply because he can't roll out and buy some taglo jerky with said gems if he gets hungry. Extend that to the vast majority of mobs in the game, and you can see why they carry coins vice gems.

That being said, I could see mobs in gem/precious metal mining areas carrying a few rough, uncut gems with them. Presumably, that's what they've been taking out of the earth.

I most certainly could, but I did bring it up for a reason, and not due to lack of familiarity with the get command.

Then tell me your reason, because I must not have gotten it from your original post...

Kastellyn the Devourer of Magic, Lord of Legends

"...he'd much rather take standardized copper coins in exchange for his sweet, sweet berry pies."

I personsally have always found them to be a bit stale- what with them sitting in the bottom of my knapsack for months, all squished beneath my old extra tunic and rusted axe. Sometimes my canteen leaks on them too.

Trying to not exagerate or sound overly whiny, I find myself feeling like a rager sans rager powers most of the time. This is not because of some inability on my part to grasp the barter system or even a lack of prep knowledge, but rather the inconvenience of obtaining and bartering gem-type items (which IIRC shoppies don't resell). Obtaining other high worth items isn't so hard, but does become increasily less productive as uptimes increase. Meaning I can't just obtain multiples of one high worth item, but rather I must obtain a wide variety of high worth items just to keep myself in the most basics of potion/pill supplies. Couple this with an inability to use 90% of the healer mobs and shopkeepers that exist, and perhaps you will understand my position.

How much easier is it to obtain 20 flight, 10 teleport, 5 recall, 10 enlarge, 10 reduce potions as a coin user? This should take me about 30 minutes, including gold gathering.... As an Outlander, I can only dream of obtaining such an ample supply of neccessary potions. I will also mention that not being able to do something as simple as heal blindness without having a worthy item cluttering up my inventory at all times is... less than desirable.

It seems to be the immortal position that this is either a non-issue, or is as designed.... I do not agree. I have however gotten away from my original post, which was simply meant to provide two small changes that would make my life considerably less tedious, but there is a larger issue here.

How much easier is it to obtain 20 flight, 10 teleport, 5 recall, 10 enlarge, 10 reduce potions as a coin user? This should take me about 30 minutes, including gold gathering.... As an Outlander, I can only dream of obtaining such an ample supply of neccessary potions. I will also mention that not being able to do something as simple as heal blindness without having a worthy item cluttering up my inventory at all times is... less than desirable.

I haven't played an Outlander, but I played an Uller follower a few years ago that wouldn't use any in-town facilities at all. Great idea in concept, but in practice...wow (though as this was pre-barter, I did use coins). I agree with you, it is not easy. Your list of necessary potions (for a warrior) is pretty solid, and I don't have a good answer for you on where to find all of them (besides the corpses of your enemies, though I suspect you already do this).

It seems to be the immortal position that this is either a non-issue, or is as designed.... I do not agree. I have however gotten away from my original post, which was simply meant to provide two small changes that would make my life considerably less tedious, but there is a larger issue here.

It is as designed...it is not a non-issue. Introducing more Outlander-friendly mobs, objects and preps into the game is an ongoing process, and one we'll continue to do as we introduce new areas and revamp existing ones.

Kastellyn the Devourer of Magic, Lord of Legends

Treat gems like coins.

You are carrying 5,000 gold worth of gems.

outlanders are opposed to the concept of money not just speficially coins. Money as in any commonly accepted medium of exchange, if therans used boots to pay for things instead of gold discs outlanders wouldn't use boots.

Still I think it would be cool for non outlanders and really nifty if you could not get change back so you might spend 5 gold worth of gem for 10 copper worth of stuff.

I will reiterate my beginning points. Some sort of autogem feature, which could be used to (theoretically) gather gem type (emerald, peridot, etc) items easily is what I'm looking for. The reason I want an autogem feature is because as it is currently, gathering gems is like gathering preps... It is in fact worse, since I am essentially preping to prep gather by gathering gems (in a non-accidental, get specific sort of way) to gather preps in a barter way.

The autosplit portion of my original post is meant to address the fact that having nogive on (essentially all the time) to avoid getting coins is sort of like living your entire life in a steralized bubble to avoid getting an STD.... sure, it works, but it's more than a little overboard. The alternative autosplit I proposed would be more like practicing safe sex.

I'll add one final thought in response to this: "Introducing more Outlander-friendly mobs, objects and preps into the game is an ongoing process"

Let's not put stupid extra affects on Outlander friendly preps? Like before adding calm (<--This one specifically has actually gotten me killed), or enfeeble, or minor malison or some other stupid malediction to a potion, consider.... is it really neccessary?