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Daevryn	Wed 03-Apr-13 10:51 PM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#2970, "Aulrathdien Logs"

As time and energy permit, I will gradually find and post logs that I think are interesting.

I have the bulk of Aul's life logged and will also entertain requests.

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Thank you!!, highbutterfly, 10-Apr-13 08:27 AM, #40

Agreed, orangepowered, 10-Apr-13 11:22 PM, #41

RE: Agreed, Daevryn, 11-Apr-13 12:13 AM, #42

What would you have chosen if you could do over?, TMNS, 12-Apr-13 08:01 PM, #43

RE: What would you have chosen if you could do over?, Daevryn, 13-Apr-13 08:02 AM, #44

A random question for you., lasentia, 15-Apr-13 10:10 AM, #45

Evil Scion conjurer is just a terrible matchup for..., TMNS, 17-Apr-13 09:00 AM, #46

Yeah, I'd agree with this, Marcus_, 21-Apr-13 12:39 PM, #50

RE: A random question for you., Daevryn, 15-Apr-13 05:19 PM, #47

RE: Agreed, orangepowered, 17-Apr-13 03:31 PM, #48

RE: Agreed, Daevryn, 17-Apr-13 05:45 PM, #49

RE: Agreed, orangepowered, 21-Apr-13 12:39 PM, #51

Man this guy has killed sad gnome nexan warrior 7 times..., Shapa, 06-Apr-13 12:25 PM, #22

As all things are, Rayihn, 06-Apr-13 01:52 PM, #24

Most people don't consider immortal comments as somethi..., Shapa, 06-Apr-13 04:29 PM, #25

Wasn't my follower, Rayihn, 06-Apr-13 04:42 PM, #26

The way i would make my own verdict about an air/water ..., Shapa, 06-Apr-13 05:38 PM, #27

RE: The way i would make my own verdict about an air/wa..., Daevryn, 06-Apr-13 06:28 PM, #29

It is mentioned totally the wrong way and you know it., Shapa, 06-Apr-13 08:37 PM, #30

RE: It is mentioned totally the wrong way and you know ..., Daevryn, 06-Apr-13 08:54 PM, #35

RE: If I'm a poor player, Murphy, 07-Apr-13 07:49 AM, #36

RE: If I'm a poor player, Daevryn, 07-Apr-13 09:08 AM, #37

Now this only makes you look worse actually., Shapa, 07-Apr-13 12:24 PM, #38

RE: Now this only makes you look worse actually., Daevryn, 07-Apr-13 12:31 PM, #39

RE: Man this guy has killed sad gnome nexan warrior 7 t..., Daevryn, 06-Apr-13 07:47 PM, #32

RE: Aulrathdien Logs, Mylene (Anonymous), 05-Apr-13 09:12 AM, #13

Aul vs. Treyliu and Mylene, Daevryn, 05-Apr-13 05:42 PM, #16

Nice. n/t, Lhydia, 05-Apr-13 07:19 PM, #18

How to kill someone a bunch without really trying, Part..., Daevryn, 03-Apr-13 11:48 PM, #1

Part 2, Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 12:09 AM, #2

Part 3, Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 01:06 AM, #3

Part 4 , Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 01:13 AM, #4

Part 5, Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 01:30 AM, #5

Part 6, Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 01:47 AM, #6

Part 7, Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 02:00 AM, #7

Part 8, Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 06:09 PM, #8

Part 9 , Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 06:10 PM, #9

Part 10 (Finale), Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 06:33 PM, #10

RE: Part 10 (Finale), Straklaw, 04-Apr-13 08:38 PM, #11

RE: Part 10 (Finale), Daevryn, 04-Apr-13 09:38 PM, #12

RE: Part 10 (Finale), orangepowered, 05-Apr-13 09:12 AM, #14

RE: Part 10 (Finale), Daevryn, 05-Apr-13 05:31 PM, #15

Actually i would make new gnome edge to improve dodge i..., Shapa, 06-Apr-13 12:25 PM, #23

I like this idea, as it would make gnome a decent dagge..., orangepowered, 06-Apr-13 06:27 PM, #28

Battle gnomes also don't have any effective way to lag ..., Shapa, 06-Apr-13 08:37 PM, #31

I don't get it.., Lhydia, 05-Apr-13 07:19 PM, #17

RE: I don't get it.., Daevryn, 05-Apr-13 08:06 PM, #19

So did you just not have the full story on Buerreunus....., Lhydia, 06-Apr-13 07:08 AM, #20

RE: So did you just not have the full story on Buerreun..., Daevryn, 06-Apr-13 07:49 PM, #33

You are being sickeningly nice to your enemy., Murphy, 06-Apr-13 07:08 AM, #21

RE: You are being sickeningly nice to your enemy., Daevryn, 06-Apr-13 07:50 PM, #34

highbutterfly	Tue 09-Apr-13 01:15 PM
Member since 24th Aug 2011 364 posts

#3012, "Thank you!!"
In response to Reply #0

The "day in the life of Aulrathdien" that you posted, regardless of any ensuing flame/trolls, is the among the most fun and most informative things I've read about CF. It's very encouraging to a struggling player to see you running around smashing stuff(there's light at the end of the tunnel, really), and also a good window onto what a skilled/strong player actually DOES and THINKS about in between two rounding
Also, your comments were invaluable -- they really stress your analytical, tactical, non-scrub approach to the game.

Again, thank you! I think there's a lot to be said for the edifying power of continuous logs with comments rather than just a fight. I realize what a chore it was to make that log.

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orangepowered	Wed 10-Apr-13 01:50 PM
Member since 29th Jun 2011 347 posts

#3013, "Agreed"
In response to Reply #40

I really enjoyed the logs and would love to see more. I think you were mostly a class act so I really don't know why people are complaining.

Also, how long did it take you to build charges as a 23 Int STSF character?

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Daevryn	Thu 11-Apr-13 12:13 AM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#3014, "RE: Agreed"
In response to Reply #41

>Also, how long did it take you to build charges as a 23 Int
>STSF character?

It didn't generally go that fast, although sometimes you get lucky. It probably wasn't the best choice for this character, but:

1) It is probably my favorite legacy, style-wise, and

2) I had an idea of how this character would play out that didn't totally turn out as planned.

In part that's the RC legacy throwing a wildcard into the mix -- Fluid Deceptions is almost the last thing I would have picked, since the theory was that riposte would be most of my damage and for it to fire, I need to let you (non-feinted-ly) attack me. But, I did have relatively good stats for it and, having that, I couldn't resist Space as a legacy. I should have then picked a third to complement that but I didn't, instead picking one that went with my original plan without really thinking it through.

I had figured that Aulrathdien would be the kind of guy who could raid your cabal and you couldn't really do much about it, but he couldn't pin you down either -- thus Striking for those long fights and maybe a little ability to pin someone down when it counted. In practice, by the time he hit hero he just tore through opponents too fast for it to really charge. Not usually fatally (see: all the awesome lagging power of elf sword) but either way Striking didn't get a chance to do too much.

That all being said, if I post a few more logs you'll probably see some exceptions to that trend.

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TMNS	Fri 12-Apr-13 03:24 PM
Member since 10th Jun 2009 2670 posts

#3015, "What would you have chosen if you could do over?"
In response to Reply #42

I always had dreams of playing an arial sword spec who got 3 legacies in Empire.

Fluid + Space + Landslide (for the kill-sealing lag)

I could see if you got Fluid at 40 and then Space at 44 a lot of different choices. STSF seems kinda a default choice in a lot of ways. You could have gone Whispers (along with that wood-elf edge) to have uber-regen (with your full con), Mercy (for extra damage against teh gangs), or Cry (flurry love).

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Daevryn	Sat 13-Apr-13 08:02 AM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#3016, "RE: What would you have chosen if you could do over?"
In response to Reply #43

Any of those would have been good choices really. Landslide I know would be great but having done Landslide elf sword once already I was wanting to deviate from that a little bit.

In the end it's a little academic because (despite what anyone has to say about things being harder for Battle at hero) I didn't actually die at hero. Which isn't to say I wouldn't have if I kept going to age death but boredom set in first.

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lasentia	Mon 15-Apr-13 08:38 AM
Member since 27th Apr 2010 987 posts

#3017, "A random question for you."
In response to Reply #44

Could Nabigah have beaten down Aulrathdien at hero? Given if it were possible for you to be playing both of them in the fight.

I never saw anyone whip Battle's ass like your conjurer (Krunk couldn't walk into a group of four and kill them all at the same time), but I'm curious if this warrior on your skill level could have taken out your conjurer on your skill level.

I personally never had a good solution for Nabigah, and since I always made the mistake of hitting the ice devil with songs because for some stupid reason I thought that would help me, I usually died pretty badly and quickly the few times I saw Nabigah, as did pretty much every other rager that said he was going after him.

I was curious though if this wood elf could have been one that could manage him, since to me that guy seemed pretty much unkillable unless somehow you could catch him unprepared.

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TMNS	Mon 15-Apr-13 11:26 AM
Member since 10th Jun 2009 2670 posts

#3018, "Evil Scion conjurer is just a terrible matchup for..."
In response to Reply #45

...a lot of people, not the least of which is Battle.

Kanaev, for what it's worth, went 73-3 against BATTLE.

So, without answering for Nepenthe, I'd say Nabighah could PWN Aulrathdien's face clean off.

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Marcus_	Thu 18-Apr-13 09:32 AM
Member since 04th Mar 2003 681 posts

#3022, "Yeah, I'd agree with this"
In response to Reply #46

To the extent that NabiNep would eventually kill AulraNep even if all the latter did was try not to die.

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Daevryn	Mon 15-Apr-13 05:19 PM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#3019, "RE: A random question for you."
In response to Reply #45

Hmm. I don't think either of those characters was really that well set up to kill the other, absent unusual circumstances.

Decent-tanking mace specs gave Nabighah a hell of a time, though, for what it's worth. I'd say overall that was the single toughest thing for him to deal with.

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orangepowered	Wed 17-Apr-13 11:09 AM
Member since 29th Jun 2011 347 posts

#3020, "RE: Agreed"
In response to Reply #42

Any of those logs going to be coming soon?

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Daevryn	Wed 17-Apr-13 05:45 PM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#3021, "RE: Agreed"
In response to Reply #48

I went looking for all of my deaths to post and couldn't find any of them, leading me to believe my log coverage may not be as thorough as I suggested.

If you have any requests I'll look for them.

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orangepowered	Fri 19-Apr-13 10:07 PM
Member since 29th Jun 2011 347 posts

#3023, "RE: Agreed"
In response to Reply #49

All my requests aren't easy to look for, but mostly I would be curious to see any hero level fights that were extended or against power houses.

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Shapa	Sat 06-Apr-13 11:35 AM
Member since 22nd Jun 2006 252 posts

#2992, "Man this guy has killed sad gnome nexan warrior 7 times..."
In response to Reply #0

I don't know Buereunus's full story, but his story couldn't be worse than this. You was chasing this sad gnome few times after he fled even thought you already killed him many times that day and he didn't have any single chance to win. And i am not saying that it's wrong or anything like this. But the only worse possible scenario would be if Buereunus actually simply multi-killed that elf shifter at his own pit each time right after he unghosted - do you really believe anything like that could happen?

Such negative comment like you gave to Buereunus on the very exceptional character is like dirty unreasonable backstab. I know it very well myself how MUCH does it suck because Twist gave Karr the same #### in his immortal comments. And i STILL don't forget it and hate Twist to some degree because of that.

What would you feel yourself if you had such immortal comment like i posted in the subjest of this post as Aulrathdien?

P.S. I don't think that either this subjest or your immortal comment on Buereunus is right. But some of the imm comments aren't connected with the reality anyhow and the only reasons to write those could be personal reasons. At the same time most of the people tend to always read those immortal comments and believe it.

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Rayihn	Sat 06-Apr-13 01:52 PM
Member since 08th Oct 2006 1147 posts

#2994, "As all things are"
In response to Reply #22

this is all subjective. I think a lot of stuff is situational. If someone is raiding my cabal or in my general cabal area I'm thinking they want some and that I need to defend. Newbie magistrate is just spending time on duty and Scion shifter divebombs him (as the aggressor) 100 times over the course of a few log ins, that just seems worse. Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno.

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Shapa	Sat 06-Apr-13 02:41 PM
Member since 22nd Jun 2006 252 posts

#2995, "Most people don't consider immortal comments as somethi..."
In response to Reply #24

How much times the arial air shapeshifter killed the paladin magistrate in his own city on duty?

Don't you think it's more than a fair match-up if there wasn't any multi-killing?

Would you even notice it if it wasn't your follower or because of other personal reasons?

Don't you think that some paladins speak so much bad things IC or do any other things that sometimes someone may actually really want to bring them some pain?

A lot of people (myself included) tend to believe in what you write in immortal comments and often it's like "verdict of the judge". It is one thing when you reward someone or when some great things done by some people get totally ignored because of some reasons.

But the negative immortal comments are totally different. Sometimes those are totally unfair and undeserved and they totally ruin the impression about the character for others and totally ruin your desire to play CF and sometimes forever.

Who would want to live in the country where the judges aren't fair, but they have so much power to judge you anytime they want without any real need?

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Rayihn	Sat 06-Apr-13 04:42 PM
Member since 08th Oct 2006 1147 posts

#2996, "Wasn't my follower"
In response to Reply #25

It was a Tribunal paladin of Whiysdan. Guy just seemed really newbish which was why I felt bad for him. No newbie who's magistrate of whatever city, and thus obviously in one certain spot is going to be able to deal with a character like Bue.

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Shapa	Sat 06-Apr-13 05:37 PM
Member since 22nd Jun 2006 252 posts

#2997, "The way i would make my own verdict about an air/water ..."
In response to Reply #26

Magistrates of Blood Tribunal have manacles power. It gives really HUGE - dex affect, like 2 different warrior maladaction skills and maybe also - a lot of dr.

Air/water shapeshifter is only limited to using air form in city, what was pretty weak in this case - the vulture. Manacles should simply something like destroy the only ability to block for vulture - dodge skill. And there are also 2 guardians to hit a lot after those manacles.

I am not sure about -dr affect, but if it is true then it would really weaken vulture even more because flying forms don't have so much dr.

At the same time the vulture can't do anything effective against paladin at all simply because the paladin has so much damage reduction and an air form vulture doesn't hit much.

It was very easy fight for Tribunal paladin and very hard fight for an air/water shapeshifter. And if air/water shapeshifter kept attacking someone who is stronger than him then he only deserved the good immortal comment for doing this.

Also keep in mind that any neutral sword spec warrior could come to the city, perma-lag paladin to death with bash and then raid him. Then kill him again few times when he was trying to retrieve and then raid again.

Whom would you prefer that Magistrate paladin to fight and practice how to PK? And why did he become hero at all if he wasn't ready to fight one of the weakest possible combinations in CF?

He got one of the easiest possible pk practices without much risk when compared to the other possible scenarios.

Also we don't know the IC-RP-story of the hatred between Buereunus and that poor paladin. Sometimes YOU really weaken some characters ONLY because they don't speak well enough with you. Do you imagine what crap mortals tell to each other sometimes? Some people are ready to kill some characters even when they are in the same cabal - a battle for example.

And you also know it very well that such negative comment for something what actually deserved the positive immortal comment would ruin the impression about the character. And that character was an arial water/air .... something very unique and weak.
But instead of giving him something little or something big for his efforts - he gets 2 negative immortal comments. One comment is for doing everything good and another comment for doing the same thing what the writer of that imm comment did recently by himself as mortal.

Just like a spit into the heart of a person in RL ... not a character because those imm comments are for those who read it when the character dies.

It is often very hard to make good verdict about any given situation because you need to know everything about pk-side of the situation and also everything about the rp-side of the situation - their full story and why and how much these characters now hate each other.

And most importantly - who recieved _at least damn anything at all_ from this?

CF would only win if you stop affecting people negatively and only concentrate on rewarding those you like. There are some unique exceptional situations of course .... but many Imms should think together about the #### they notice from the same player for a long time before doing anything bad at all to him, even negative immortal comment.

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Daevryn	Sat 06-Apr-13 06:28 PM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#2999, "RE: The way i would make my own verdict about an air/wa..."
In response to Reply #27

>Air/water shapeshifter is only limited to using air form in
>city,

There's probably a reason this is mentioned in my comment in question.

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Shapa	Sat 06-Apr-13 06:51 PM
Member since 22nd Jun 2006 252 posts

#3000, "It is mentioned totally the wrong way and you know it."
In response to Reply #29

Buereunus was a very weak combination - air/water. And he did surprisingly well with it and that it because of his own skills as the player, not the combo he played.

And that is something to be proud of and that is something you as Immortals should welcome, stimulate and congratulate. And that is the situation to give out the flying-water-jack-blaguar form, at least for the last 150 or so hours. The player did very hard and good things and deserves a reward for the last 1/4 of his life.

From your farewell post on the battlefields "The furor over wood-elf edges and the number of people who broke character to complain about them is unreal to me. Honestly I think they're decent but for any combo I think one or more of arial, elf, or d-elf warrior is still better, without even getting into the halfies. I'm not planning to touch them; if you think they're really good, take a run at it and see if you can do better than I did."

Dark-elves and elves aren't better than wood-elves for sure and gnomes are much weaker. But you wrote it all the way like as if you are really proud of making wood-elf warrior shine. And the fact it - you really deserve it.

But Buereunus was even weaker combo and deserved everything positive even more.

Now you two did totally the same : killed someone 7 or 8 times the same day. Nobody of you did anything wrong. But he did it with much much weaker combo than you.

Do you really think that he deserves
Sun Jan 20 10:55:40 2013 by 'Daevryn' at level 51 (336 hrs):
Man this guy has killed sad elf shifter 8 times... but I guess, what can you really do when you're water/air.
for simply doing totally the same thing you did with much stronger combo? At the same time while you thought that you did very good with a weak combo?

P.S. And i am not even going into bigger things like .... for example .... the number and the _quality_ of PKills and PKdeaths totally naked and uber-equiped paladins can get aren't too much different. Only because there are people whom you can kill as a villager sword spec without any access to any form of good lag against somewhat smart enemies, and those are totally the same people an air/water shapeshifter can kill. But how well you do with each combo only depends on the player's skill.

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Daevryn	Sat 06-Apr-13 08:54 PM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#3005, "RE: It is mentioned totally the wrong way and you know ..."
In response to Reply #30

I'm not sure why I'm still responding because what you want is for me to say that I'm wrong and I can't honestly say that I am.

>Buereunus was a very weak combination - air/water. And he did
>surprisingly well with it and that it because of his own
>skills as the player, not the combo he played.

Sure.

But: it's not like people haven't done well with that combo before.

Actually I think one of the things I personally struggled with as far as Boo goes is that I had seen that combo done so well so many times that I had a really hard time getting fired up about someone who was usually doing a pretty good job with it. If anything is unfair it's definitely that. I wouldn't fault anyone who was much more excited about the character than I was.

>Dark-elves and elves aren't better than wood-elves for sure
>and gnomes are much weaker.

I think you're crazy on the elves and dark-elves count. Both have unambiguously superior stats and better inherents (for most things).

>But you wrote it all the way like
>as if you are really proud of making wood-elf warrior shine.

It's something that had never previously been made to look good (Cainargen also made it look good, but I rolled earlier) and by the time we were done with it people talked about it like it had been an obvious power combo all along.

I don't know that I'm exactly proud of that. It is what it is.

>Now you two did totally the same : killed someone 7 or 8 times
>the same day. Nobody of you did anything wrong. But he did it
>with much much weaker combo than you.

If I'm a poor player and an air shifter wants to keep killing me, what are my options (other than quitting) to stop dying?

Compare that with the options Grinlague has as seen in this log.

Do you consider those to be equivalent situations? I don't.

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Murphy	Sun 07-Apr-13 01:45 AM
Member since 30th Dec 2010 1639 posts

#3006, "RE: If I'm a poor player"
In response to Reply #35

>If I'm a poor player and an air shifter wants to keep killing me, what are my options (other than quitting) to stop dying?

I can't seem to find it, but didn't Buer's player claim the paladin was talking #### to him?

So maybe the logical step for the paladin to stop dying would be shutting up.

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Daevryn	Sun 07-Apr-13 09:08 AM
Member since 13th Feb 2007 11117 posts

#3007, "RE: If I'm a poor player"
In response to Reply #36

I'm not talking about a paladin. So I guess he did it twice?

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Shapa	Sun 07-Apr-13 10:54 AM
Member since 22nd Jun 2006 252 posts

#3008, "Now this only makes you look worse actually."
In response to Reply #35

1.
"
Sure.

But: it's not like people haven't done well with that combo before.

Actually I think one of the things I personally struggled with as far as Boo goes is that I had seen that combo done so well so many times that I had a really hard time getting fired up about someone who was usually doing a pretty good job with it. If anything is unfair it's definitely that. I wouldn't fault anyone who was much more excited about the character than I was.
"

Could you name at least ONE air/water shapeshifter who did at least 1/4 as well as Buereunus?

Anything at least somewhat close to him would be Harkain. He made 52-0 PKs in 298 hours. It means he played totally your style - he was only fighting the battles he knew he would win for sure without risking at all - he was only fighting fully prepared in the water with the form what pounces.

Look well how did you choose every one of your battles:
Total PK Losses 3
Solo PK Losses 3
PK Losses to a group of 2 0
PK Losses to a group of 3 0
PK Losses to a group of 4+ 0
Average Group Size Per Death 1.00

Your combo - neutral village berserker was very very good in the 95% of the battles. You was totally destroying your enemies without them having any real chances to do anything at all against you.

But 5% of the time is the time where usually berserkers die a lot. Those 5% of the time where they fight against big groups, try to retrieve where they don't even have the chane to do it, fight very bad for them builds. For example a fire giant warrior with armaggedon sword could probably kill you with 1-2 flurries because you didn't have much damage reduction or a lot of hps, but you didn't fight such giants.

BUT you used your own skills to totally avoid those 5% of the battles. So you never even died to a group of two. And you made more than half of your PKs in the middle levels where village berserkers shine even more.

Now look at Buereunus. His combo only made it possible for him sometimes to kill someone tough when he could catch someone in the water. But if he was only doing this - then he would only get about 50 PKs in 300 hours like Harkain did.

But most of the time he was only limited to using weak air form vulture, nightwalker and a lot of damage reduction and additional hps.

This way he simply couldn't play the way you or Harkan played and still get those 273 (266 at level 51) pks. Do you even realize what does it mean? He was often taking bigs risks and was using purely his own pk skills to actually land a lot of pks. And he did it instead of using the power of the combo like you or Harkan did.

Look what battles Buereunus had to fight to actually get those many PKS he did:
Total PK Losses 10
Solo PK Losses 2
PK Losses to a group of 2 4
PK Losses to a group of 3 4
PK Losses to a group of 4+ 0
Average Group Size Per Death 2.20

Death's Ganked-O-Meter says: Trampled by Angry Hordes

There is not a single way to compare anything you played or anything else you are speaking about here - "I had seen that combo done so well so many times" and Buereunus. And i have no idea how could you write something like that here.

And also he was shapeshifter - what means he wasn't able to benefit from the complete knowledge of CF areas as much as warrior or any other class can. Simply because shapeshifters can't get those +dr or interesting progs as their EQ.

And most importantly - compare the treatment:

Tue Oct 11 14:28:10 2005 by 'Drokalanatym' at level 51 (142 hrs):
We should totally give this guy giant clam or something.

vs

Sun Jan 20 10:55:40 2013 by 'Daevryn' at level 51 (336 hrs):
Man this guy has killed sad elf shifter 8 times... but I guess, what can you really do when you're water/air.

Tue Feb 19 11:40:02 2013 by 'Baerinika' at level 51 (396 hrs):
We sure love beating on poor Kahm while he's stuck on duty in a city. Over..and over...and over.

2.
"If I'm a poor player and an air shifter wants to keep killing me, what are my options (other than quitting) to stop dying?

Compare that with the options Grinlague has as seen in this log.

Do you consider those to be equivalent situations? I don't."

You actually pissed the player of Buereunus so much with those 2 immortal comments that he already commented it somewhere. I'll repost it here:

That comment is in reference to an elf shapeshifter orca/eagle named Laspigon. I would kill him once, tell him to leave me be or you get it again. He would then come after me over and over in the water without regard for his life. So I kill him again, I warn him, etc. He would jump me while I fought two others, I would kill him. After him doing this four times in an hour and a half I prayed, "I don't mean to multi kill this guy, but he just keeps coming after me over and over". I did not choose to "full loot him" to teach him a lesson. In addition, he actually said he wouldn't give up and keep coming after me. I would leave all his nice trinkets, maybe take a rod or two to deter him. He actually said he was fine dying and that he would continue to do anything to kill me. See this part of the Goodbye.

Laspigon - We had quite the rivalry. I just could not allow you to survive. I would kill you once and back off, but you kept coming. So I would kill you. I wasn't someone to run away simply because I didn't want to hurt your feelings.

I did not multi-kill the guy at all and I did everything within my roleplay to ward him off besides just running from him when he retard attacks me with no protections in the water.

This also goes the same for Kahm, a paladin of sorts who had a mouth on him. Who I did attack numerous times in one session until I killed him for his mouth. What is being said in that comment is like this paladin was helpless or something and when on duty I should "simply leave him alone" out of the goodness of my heart. Yeah, orderly good paladin Tribunal with a tendency for crap talk who power ranked in 43 hours should be someone I should have pity on. Come on.

And now how is ANY DIFFERENT from the situation where you killed Grinlague 7 times in ONE day? Poor Grinlaque didn't even know how to use reduce or fly potions.

But Buereunus deserves the negative immortal comments for doing exactly you did yourself while you had three legacies?

3.
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>Dark-elves and elves aren't better than wood-elves for sure
>and gnomes are much weaker.

I think you're crazy on the elves and dark-elves count. Both have unambiguously superior stats and better inherents (for most things).

>But you wrote it all the way like
>as if you are really proud of making wood-elf warrior shine.

It's something that had never previously been made to look good (Cainargen also made it look good, but I rolled earlier) and by the time we were done with it people talked about it like it had been an obvious power combo all along.

I don't know that I'm exactly proud of that. It is what it is.
"

You know exactly that you are being proud of playing great wood-elf warrior. And that is the reason why you just wrote that dark-elves or elves are better.

The weakest point of elf/wood-elf/dark-elf without the defensive legacies and a lot of magical protections is that they still have little hps and very little damage reduce + vuln what is easy to exploit. So Wrath commune is the most obvious answer to fight such combo. But you played wood-elf villager instead of playing dark-elf villager at the time when Battle is in the war with Fortress. You knew it very well that there are a lot of paladins who will be really big problem if you decide to play dark-elf. Also it's much easier to fight Fortress when they don't have protection vs evil against you, also it's much easier to raid Fortress when you are neutral. Also Nexus may have some kind of cabal powers against their main enemies - Battle if you was playing either elf or dark-elf. And also stats of the elves and dark-elves aren't unambiguously superior stats when compared to wood-elves. And also you just made yourself the new edge for wood-elves to improve their parry and offense before playing one.

In other words wood-elven battle village berserker isn't the strongest possible combo of course. But there are some players who can play it almost as well as you, the player of Buereunus included. They simply didn't do it and did other better things instead - one of them played Buereunus.

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Daevryn	Sun 07-Apr-13 12:31 PM
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#3010, "RE: Now this only makes you look worse actually."
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This is my last response.

>Could you name at least ONE air/water shapeshifter who did at
>least 1/4 as well as Buereunus?

I'm not going to dig for names, but Lightmage alone did it probably 4 times.

And you can argue it doesn't count or doesn't compare or whatever. I don't care. I didn't stop to consult you mid-last year when forming my opinion.

>And also he was shapeshifter - what means he wasn't able to
>benefit from the complete knowledge of CF areas as much as
>warrior or any other class can. Simply because shapeshifters
>can't get those +dr or interesting progs as their EQ.

If you think area knowledge isn't highly relevant to a shifter I don't even know what to say.

>That comment is in reference to an elf shapeshifter orca/eagle
>named Laspigon. I would kill him once, tell him to leave me be
>or you get it again. He would then come after me over and over
>in the water without regard for his life. So I kill him again,
>I warn him, etc. He would jump me while I fought two others, I
>would kill him. After him doing this four times in an hour and
>a half I prayed, "I don't mean to multi kill this guy, but he
>just keeps coming after me over and over". I did not choose to
>"full loot him" to teach him a lesson. In addition, he
>actually said he wouldn't give up and keep coming after me. I
>would leave all his nice trinkets, maybe take a rod or two to
>deter him. He actually said he was fine dying and that he
>would continue to do anything to kill me. See this part of the
>Goodbye.

I didn't witness this behavior in as much as I was watching. If true, I would owe Boo an apology.

>But Buereunus deserves the negative immortal comments for
>doing exactly you did yourself while you had three legacies?

Uh, try zero.

>But you played wood-elf
>villager instead of playing dark-elf villager at the time when
>Battle is in the war with Fortress. You knew it very well that
>there are a lot of paladins who will be really big problem if
>you decide to play dark-elf.

Except I rolled, what, six months before that war started? Nine?

>And also stats of the elves and dark-elves aren't
>unambiguously superior stats when compared to wood-elves.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

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Daevryn	Sat 06-Apr-13 07:47 PM
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#3002, "RE: Man this guy has killed sad gnome nexan warrior 7 t..."
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I've already given my explanation for what I think is reasonable. Not everyone will agree with it and that's fine.

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Mylene (Anonymous)	Thu 04-Apr-13 10:08 PM
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#2983, "RE: Aulrathdien Logs"
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Got the time where you smoked Treyliu and I in the Chasm. I was thinking now is the time we had you, but Treyliu started combat before I had a chance to do much and blammo, corpse.

Thanks,
Mylene

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Daevryn	Fri 05-Apr-13 05:42 PM
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#2986, "Aul vs. Treyliu and Mylene"
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Lhydia	Fri 05-Apr-13 06:05 PM
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#2988, "Nice. n/t"
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Daevryn	Wed 03-Apr-13 11:48 PM
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#2971, "How to kill someone a bunch without really trying, Part..."
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 12:09 AM
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 01:06 AM
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 01:13 AM
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Ubudhizh: You are ok now Aulrathdien? Aulrathdien: I am, thank you. *** I check surrounding areas and do spot Ivar in Drogran Hills again and chase him a bit *** (PK) Aulrathdien At the Base of a Hill (PK) Ivar At the Bottom of a Sinkhole Ubudhizh: A fine victory A Small Cave The atmosphere of this cave is dark and smelly, though the air is still quite dry somehow. The walls and ceiling of the cave are formed by packed, sandy soil, and shored up by beams of crude logs to prevent potential cave- ins. The cave is mostly bare, save for some animal skins hanging on the walls, and a few furs laid on the floor as mats, likely used to sit on. Here and there clayware jars and animal bone tools have been haphazardly left lying around. The exit of the cave lies to the east. (Invis) Ivar the duergar is here. A male ugruk garbed in furs scans the area around him here. You yell 'Die, Ivar, you sorcerous dog!' You deflect Ivar's spell! Your spellbane decimates Ivar! Ivar parries your chaotic blast. Ivar parries your slice. Ivar has a few scratches. wilderness <725hp 467m 936mv 1137tnl (92.33%) 12 AM> bt Your bash misses Ivar. Your nimble rush is evaded, but you remain on your feet. Ivar has a few scratches. wilderness <725hp 467m 936mv 1137tnl (92.33%) 12 AM> You have become better at precise aim (77%)! Your chaotic blast devastates Ivar! Your slice EVISCERATES Ivar! You open a massive wound in Ivar! Your slice EVISCERATES Ivar! Ivar fades into existence. You parry Ivar's surge of water. You parry Ivar's surge of water. Ivar has some small but disgusting cuts. wilderness <725hp 467m 936mv 1135tnl (92.34%) 12 AM> You get in one more shot on Ivar as he flees. Your parting blow devastates Ivar! Ivar has some small but disgusting cuts. wilderness <725hp 467m 936mv 1135tnl (92.34%) 12 AM> You get in one more shot on Ivar as he flees. Your parting blow devastates Ivar! Ivar has fled! Ivar leaves east. *** More chasing. I lose him and head back to the Village to remove my curse. There I spot Chimm in the ruins for a second again. *** *** CF crashes. After it reboots, I can't find anyone and go back to Ugruk XP. I manage to gain a level, yay! *** An ugruk hunter's cleave mauls you. An ugruk hunter's cleave mauls you. Your chaotic blast *** DEMOLISHES *** an ugruk hunter! An ugruk hunter is DEAD!! You receive 136 experience points (30% bonus). You raise a level!! Your gain is: 15/740 hp, 11/478 m, 12/995 mv 3/9 prac. You are focusing your skill learning on flurry. You have learned 3% of your flurry ability. *** And lucky! *** *** I take a break, peek in to galadon, and get manacled and run off by an out-of-range pachyderm, among other adventures. *** *** There's another run-in with Ivar on the road: *** Along the Eastern Road Constructed of great slabs of closely fitted stone, a wide and well- traveled road runs to the east and west here. Hardwood trees grow thickly to either side of the road, beyond a wide stretch of low growth and brush that keeps the forest at a respectable distance. The spaces between the trunks on the north side of the road are filled with a low tangle of flowering brambles, while the forest to the south is more open. Ivar the duergar is here. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> His feet aren't on the ground. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> You yell 'Die, Ivar, you sorcerous dog!' You deflect Ivar's spell! Your spellbane wounds Ivar. Ivar parries your chaotic blast. Ivar parries your slice. Ivar parries your chaotic blast. You EVISCERATE Ivar! Ivar has a few scratches. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> Your bash misses Ivar. Your nimble rush is evaded, but you remain on your feet. Ivar has a few scratches. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> You parry Ivar's surge of water. Your chaotic blast devastates Ivar! Ivar parries your slice. Ivar parries your chaotic blast. Ivar has some small but disgusting cuts. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> You fail to get in one more shot as Ivar flees. Ivar has fled! Ivar leaves east. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> Ivar has arrived. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> You yell 'Die, Ivar, you sorcerous dog!' Ivar utters the words, 'grzzs'. A wave of fatigue surges through you, but you somehow fight it off! You MUTILATE Ivar! You deliver a blow of deadly force! Ivar parries your slice. Ivar parries your chaotic blast. You EVISCERATE Ivar! Ivar has some small but disgusting cuts. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> Your bash misses Ivar. Your nimble rush is evaded, but you remain on your feet. Ivar has some small but disgusting cuts. civilized <740hp 474m 994mv 14876tnl (2.13%) 3 PM> You parry Ivar's surge of water and return an attack of your own. Your chaotic blast MUTILATES Ivar! Ivar parries your chaotic blast. You have become better at precise aim (79%)! Your slice DISMEMBERS Ivar! You deliver a blow of deadly force! Your chaotic blast *** DEMOLISHES *** Ivar! Your slice EVISCERATES Ivar! You fail to get in one more shot as Ivar flees. Your chaotic blast devastates Ivar! You get in one more shot on Ivar as he flees. Your parting blow maims Ivar! Ivar has fled! Ivar leaves east. *** I chase him to Drogran, lose him, shrug and go back to fighting Ugruks. Get 17% of a level 100 xp at a time. *** *** I take a break and look around for mages and I'm off by the Weald for some reason when: *** a massive giant: Intruder! Intruder! Meris is raiding the Cabal! <40 H-Drw Inv> (PK) Meris the Mistress of Invocation *** Of course, we have the scepter too. *** Aulrathdien: Coming. *** I run back. *** civilized <705hp 478m 967mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Before a Fortified Hillock A large mound of earth has been pushed up here, forming a strategically planned barrier to the village just beyond. Behind the earthen barricade stand the gates -- heavy, massive, fortified iron gates that glow eerily in the reflected torch-light -- and beyond them in the darkness you can just make out the faces of the village huts. The village, like the gate, is dark and forbidding from this distance, softened not at all by the occasionally glimpsed lantern or fire. A chill breeze blows from the gates to the west, bringing with it the gruff sound of barbaric voices and an occasional burst of raucous, drunken laughter. (Surrounded by Flames) Meris the half-drow is here, fighting a massive giant. A massive, hunched figure is here, protecting the village throughout the night. A massive giant says 'Welcome, great warrior.' wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Kontoln has arrived. A massive giant says 'Welcome, great warrior.' wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> You trip Meris and she goes down! Your trip scratches Meris. Meris yells 'Help! Aulrathdien tried to trip me!' Meris has some small but disgusting cuts. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Your chaotic blast EVISCERATES Meris! Your slice MUTILATES Meris! Your slice EVISCERATES Meris! Meris parries your slice. Your slice misses Meris. Meris's stream of hissing acid scalds a massive giant's flesh! Meris's stream of acid DISMEMBERS a massive giant! Meris is covered with bleeding wounds. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Ubudhizh has arrived. A massive giant says 'Welcome, great warrior.' Meris is covered with bleeding wounds. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Your chaotic blast EVISCERATES Meris! You deliver a blow of deadly force! Your slice MANGLES Meris! Your chaotic blast MUTILATES Meris! Meris's stream of hissing acid scalds a massive giant's flesh! Meris's stream of acid EVISCERATES a massive giant! Meris is gushing blood. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Kontoln looks at Meris. Meris is gushing blood. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Meris has fled! A massive giant moves to block Meris's path. Meris is gushing blood. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> You trip Meris and she goes down! Your trip scratches Meris. A massive giant's slash decimates Meris! Your chaotic blast EVISCERATES Meris! Meris's flaming bite scalds a massive giant! Meris is gushing blood. wilderness <705hp 478m 961mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 11 PM> Meris parries your chaotic blast. Meris dodges your slice. Your chaotic blast EVISCERATES Meris! You deliver a blow of deadly force! Your slice MANGLES Meris! Meris's flaming bite SEARS a massive giant! Meris's flaming bite SEARS a massive giant! Meris is writhing in agony. wilderness <705hp 478m 995mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> Ubudhizh looks tougher. Meris is writhing in agony. wilderness <705hp 478m 995mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> Meris has fled! Meris leaves east. wilderness <705hp 478m 995mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> e The Breaching of the Walls of the Ostalagiah Ruins You climb atop the pile of rubble and ash which once stood as the western wall of Ostalagiah. It served its purpose well, but not well enough. It now stands in ruins, smoldering remains of what was once a mighty city. After many years of war the united fronts finally destroyed the wall, through which a flood of dwarven, elven and human soldiers came. After freeing the slaves, ransacking the city and turning the walls to rubble, the united front turned around and headed back to their respective homelands to the north. While that ancient war is over, the sight of distant burning fires and a village settled to the west of here gives one reason to believe that it is not the only war that occurs throughout these ruined buildings. (Surrounded by Flames) Meris the half-drow is here. Meris utters the words, 'xafe ay candusqarr'. Meris disappears. civilized <705hp 478m 994mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> They aren't here. civilized <705hp 478m 994mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> whe Kontoln has arrived. civilized <705hp 478m 994mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> People near you: (PK) Aulrathdien The Breaching of the Walls of the Ostalagiah Ruins Kontoln The Breaching of the Walls of the Ostalagiah Ruins civilized <705hp 478m 994mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> Kontoln leaves north. civilized <705hp 478m 994mv 12533tnl (17.55%) 12 AM> cb Recalled. Aulrathdien: Recalled. *** I check a bunch of places she might have recalled to and their environs, which is a bust, and by this time I figure even if I guess the right hometown she's long gone. Back to Ugruks to grind out a little more XP! ***

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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 01:47 AM
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#2976, "Part 6"
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 02:00 AM
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#2977, "Part 7"
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 06:09 PM
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#2978, "Part 8"
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 06:10 PM
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#2979, "Part 9 "
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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 06:33 PM
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#2980, "Part 10 (Finale)"
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Straklaw	Thu 04-Apr-13 08:11 PM
Member since 10th Mar 2003 1014 posts

#2981, "RE: Part 10 (Finale)"
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Against non-dexy sword specs, crushing assault is godly. Against dexy ones, 24 dex dodge trumps the orc 18 dex dodge (w/ usually a lot of weight for bashing).

Though what's interesting that everyone seems to overlook...natural weapon specialization probably does help you a *LOT*, but more for the fact of improved parry (which means improved parry, flourintine parry, and riposte) than the improved damage.

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Daevryn	Thu 04-Apr-13 09:38 PM
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#2982, "RE: Part 10 (Finale)"
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>Though what's interesting that everyone seems to
>overlook...natural weapon specialization probably does help
>you a *LOT*, but more for the fact of improved parry

Yeah. Granted, it's still not far off what an arial sword with its better-than-wood-elf-for-this stats ends up with just right out of the box.

Also, it's a little ironic that there's a gnome-specific edge which is strictly superior in this respect.

(And works with any kind of weapon material.)

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orangepowered	Fri 05-Apr-13 08:47 AM
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#2984, "RE: Part 10 (Finale)"
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I would think that though the gnome edge gives you parry based on 25 wisdom that because they have a lower dex it is still slightly inferior to flourintine with 25 dex or 24 dex + natural weapon spec. This is just from my observations.

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Daevryn	Fri 05-Apr-13 05:31 PM
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#2985, "RE: Part 10 (Finale)"
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You're probably right that a "real" high dex sword warrior is generally better -- there's a LOT of ground to make up, stat and size wise.

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Shapa	Sat 06-Apr-13 12:01 PM
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#2993, "Actually i would make new gnome edge to improve dodge i..."
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Right now wood-elf warriors are plain much stronger than gnome warriors.

Gnome warriors have 20 dex, doesn't it mean that they barely dodge at all?

So wood-elves have much much better defense - better flourintine + dodge skill, and more offense through new edge and more ripostes. And gnomes only get + about 200 hps ... what doesn't cover everything else.

The funny thing is that there isn't any point to learn Autumn Harvest legacy because improved parry edge means more parries and less dodges so these 2 things won't work well together.

But if the new gnome edge was improving dodge instead of parry then everything would be logical. They are very small and can dodge well because of that and they have an edge and the legacy to improve their dodge. So with these 2 things gnome warriors dodge like 23-24 dex warriors and become less weaker.
23-24 dex warriors can simply get +200 hp legacy to have the same hp and offense/defense as gnome with edge+legacy, but they don't have vuln_blunt.

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orangepowered	Sat 06-Apr-13 06:07 PM
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#2998, "I like this idea, as it would make gnome a decent dagge..."
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I like this idea, as it would make gnome a decent dagger option.

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Shapa	Sat 06-Apr-13 07:25 PM
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#3001, "Battle gnomes also don't have any effective way to lag ..."
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Many maladaction warriors can use the mace as one of their specs to cranial enemies. Svirfnebli battle warriors can also use pincer because of their high strength.

But battle gnomes cannot drink enlarge potions, so anybody who is giant-sized naturally or by potion will not be lagged by the gnome anyhow. Most axes are very heavy so the whirl is usually not an option for gnome. Cranials also won't lag most people because of the size. And misdirect is very bad option for gnome because they loose almost half of their damage (dual wield) this way.

Exotic legacy is also not the best option for gnomes because they already have STSF, Space and Autumn what are the best suited for their race. Also gnomes don't do spec-skills without both Exotic legacy and balance of the sisters legacy.

And vuln_blunt is very very very very huge when compared to dextrous human.

It's all just an information to consider for how much powerful to make an edge to make gnomes at least somewhat balanced as warriors

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Lhydia	Fri 05-Apr-13 06:03 PM
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#2987, "I don't get it.."
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You post these logs in defense of killing someone multiple times in one day but at the end of the day in each situation its what you chose...your version of not meaning to kill someone is running them down and tripping them?

Not attempting to start a flame war and I damn sure don't mind multikilling people, but how does this make any sense in defense of the actions you were attempting to defend?

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Daevryn	Fri 05-Apr-13 08:06 PM
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#2989, "RE: I don't get it.."
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I don't know that I'm defending so much as giving the whole story. People can make whatever they want out of it.

All my characters are a little different, but generally speaking if I kill someone, I'll leave them alone for a while unless they want to fight again. If you're pretty much ready to fight again (which you probably are because I typically corpseguard if I can and don't loot a ton) and you clearly want to fight again, I'm going to treat you like an adult and come back at you for real.

I think one way of being a jerk would be to repeatedly in a short time mow down the same person who had no real chance to beat you and who didn't want to fight you, but (to me) a different way of being a jerk would be to be dismissive of an opponent who did think they had a shot and wanted to take it.

Not everyone will agree with that, and that's okay, too.

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Lhydia	Fri 05-Apr-13 08:57 PM
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#2990, "So did you just not have the full story on Buerreunus....."
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..or whatever his name is before posting your comments on the PBF read round the world that got us here?

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Daevryn	Sat 06-Apr-13 07:49 PM
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#3003, "RE: So did you just not have the full story on Buerreun..."
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I'm just not exactly sure why it's such a big deal to comment on the somewhat limited range of people that air/water shifter can reliably kill.

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Murphy	Sat 06-Apr-13 12:59 AM
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#2991, "You are being sickeningly nice to your enemy."
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I mean... you're talking to him like you were just two contestants in a tournament, and he lost. He is your mortal enemy, don't you, oidunno, hate him? The "rage" in Battleragers and "hate" in Haters of Magic oughta mean something.

I assume that chivalry was part of your character, not just you trying to convey no hard feelings as a player. I'm just not sure how can this mesh with being a Berserker.

Care to share your thoughts?

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Daevryn	Sat 06-Apr-13 07:50 PM
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#3004, "RE: You are being sickeningly nice to your enemy."
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>He is your mortal
>enemy, don't you, oidunno, hate him?

Nope. Just not the kind of character or role this was.

He considered there to be a legitimate if remote possibility that he would need to switch sides one day.

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