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RutsahFri 07-Nov-03 11:13 AM
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#278, "500 steps forward then 3 steps backward."


          

Without trying to brag about myself ill simply state that im a pre-purge player. I have seen CarrionFields move from strength to strength, here and there they have made some large mistakes but in general I think they have done well in most of their Implimentation. During the 1st age and the beginning of the 2nd age the immortals went on a rampage getting rid of all the stupid and silly death traps and character trap zones. For example one way passage rooms that allow you to walk in, but not to get out, rooms where you cannot recall or be summoned out but instead where you had to die of starvation/thirst. These such sections of the game basically right royally pissed of the players and wasted their time.

Im not against having a death trap in a area, or something of the sort (insert elven vaults, spiked pits in modan, mountains southeast of hamsah, viper pit in manor etc).

What I am against is having stupid death traps that basically isolate either all players or just a small chunk of players. I had not loged in for a couple weeks due to irl work, I loged in and ran from memory to where I thought X should be. Little did I know but the whole area had been yanked and replaced by a new area. Now that would have been fine had the entrance to that area not been a !@#)(*!@# up death trap.

Seriously I was quiet shocked. I thought about it for a while, tried to work out if there was some trick to it, or some fancy code or prog that would have enabled someone to get out of that said situation, but there wasnt(to my knowledge). The replacement area for Gehenna might be a perfectly good area, It might be incredibly well made, but its connection to the rest of the mud is just stupid.

A) , Newbie choosen arkham as a home town, does a little bit of exploring. Under 20 rooms from the alter he walks into a death trap and dies. Bravo.
b) , any non flyer falls straight into that trap. Not much of a biggy - assuming you can kill all those eels, then quaff a fly and escape.
C) , any non flyer non magic user (insert rager) basically dies straight off. Now yes I have a bias towards ragers since I love them hugely. But I just think that this is going to far, Especially since its at the entrance to the area.

D) I understand that some zones simply are just nogo. But they are through restrictions and not through traps of the sort. This is a game for everyone to play, One would hope, and not for a select few classes/races to play.



I viewed this death trap as like (tho not in ratio of) having half the mud only accessable to gnomes, due to size restrictions on rooms, but anyone who tried to move into a room that was to small for them would get stuck unable to move and would have to die of hunger/thirst to get out. Yes I know its only a small proportion of the player base. All battle/non arial/cloud players, but I still think the entrance should be changed. Imagine if all players could enter the whirlpool on the ocean, even without Underwater Breathe up. Think of all the bitching and moaning from all the people without word/passdoor/ub. Yes im a minority, but a minority that is limited hugely enough as is and doesnt need more and more restrictions placed apon them.

Is battle being phased out ? - this is a serious question.

Battle powers seem to be getting more and more reduced, now areas and traps are starting to crop up again which are a kick whilst we are down. Thirst has so many downsides to it that they far far far out weight the benifits, spam aggie, noeat/drink - burns your food/drink, battle fatigue - no regen , no hp display, no damage display, and all this for haste - and area spellbane (which whilst thirsting still doesnt work for ####. Thirst used to be a nasty backfireable skill. Now its a Hey im stupid and I use thirst skill. Why not have nightwalkers eat away con every time they die, and stop all hp/mv/mana regen on players whilst they have them, and also have the nightwalkers aggie anything that is good align, also have its health unobtainable from look gr glance etc. Or perhaps to make sylvans cham cost xp per hour, use hp/mv/mana whilst camoed, slow them for 10 hours.

I just dont see why all these huge negatives are being added time and time again to battle and battle only. It might just be me and I might just be the lone soul crying out. Id really like to hear some answers - moreso to hear what is actually happening. I really dont want to give up ragers or this mud. But the immortals are sure as hell trying to encourage it from my perspective.

Disclaimer: Please dont preach about how overpowered all rager powers are, their sacrifice of no magic use is massive, Their sacrifice of no magical item use is even huger (stupid in my view). If you have ever played a rager to hero you know how you can never be anywhere near as good as anyone who uses magic to its full potential.

Many thanks in advance to any constructive replies to this post, I eagerly await immortal replies to know if im truely wasting my time and battle is infact being phased out.

  

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Reply RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward., Kalageadon, 23-Oct-03 07:48 PM, #5
Reply Pro: Post removed, Yanoreth, 07-Nov-03 11:14 AM, #6
     Reply Yeah, sorry about that., (NOT Pro), 11-Nov-03 08:04 PM, #7
Reply RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward., Valguarnera, 14-Oct-03 12:13 PM, #3
Reply RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward., Hutto, 14-Oct-03 05:56 PM, #4
Reply RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward., A2, 14-Oct-03 11:45 AM, #2
Reply RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward., Blachmianan, 14-Oct-03 10:25 AM, #1

KalageadonFri 07-Nov-03 11:13 AM
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#285, "RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward."
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Ok Only thing I am going to reply on is thirst, and I am going to be
Straight Forward, Honest, and Blunt... You have no clue what your
talking about. If you question me, then I also include I have had more
hero villagers than you can count on both hands and to this day I
use thirst often. It is a very powerfull ability. I am not going to
go into detail because I dont think the lords would like me explaining
what I am talking about.

  

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YanorethFri 07-Nov-03 11:14 AM
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#293, "Pro: Post removed"
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Please refrain from the personal attacks.

  

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Pro (inactive user)Tue 11-Nov-03 08:04 PM
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#295, "Yeah, sorry about that."
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I'm a mean drunk.

Won't happen again.

  

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ValguarneraTue 14-Oct-03 12:13 PM
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#281, "RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward."
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1) If you think Scion powers have no drawbacks, you're insane.

2) Bloodthirst is one of the best powers in the game, even with its drawbacks. It's a large part of why almost all berserkers are well ahead of 50% PK ratios when they die, even the newer players.

3) The area is recommended to characters level 30-50. A lot of areas in that level range (and lower... Mausoleum, which is quite close to Galadon) will kill a low level character who wanders in.

4) True newbies shouldn't die there. I put in an extra safeguard for next reboot as well.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

  

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HuttoTue 14-Oct-03 05:56 PM
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#282, "RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward."
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>2) Bloodthirst is one of the best powers in the game,
>even with its drawbacks. It's a large part of why almost all
>berserkers are well ahead of 50% PK ratios when they die, even
>the newer players.

With all due respect, I think deathblow is more of a reason for the newer players getting a decent PK ratio wih berserker Ragers. Bloodthirst, with its steep fight-learning curve, tends to kill newer players.

It is still a very nice power.


Hutto, the Sleepy Nitpicker


'Sorry, I'm not 72323slhlst. Or however you say Elite'
-Vynmylak

  

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A2Tue 14-Oct-03 11:45 AM
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#280, "RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward."
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I can't comment on the area. But your little rant/whine about powers was pretty weak.

I'm not saying ragers are overpowered, but you are complaining about restrictions on thirst? So there are drawbacks, it's a pretty sweet power(and yes, I have had a berserker rager since it's been changed).

To say that a rager can never compare to anyone who utilizes magic is hardly true either. Resistance, haste, and deathblow combined with someone with some ability is a pretty nasty thing.

  

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BlachmiananTue 14-Oct-03 10:25 AM
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#279, "RE: 500 steps forward then 3 steps backward."
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A few things could have prevented this. One of the things I always do when starting a new character is read my notes. The area that has replaced Gehenna has all new descriptions. You walked three three new rooms and one of them has mobs there warning you of going further. If you made a copy of what you did wrong, you will see that 2 things should come to mind. 1) Look before you leap. 2) Perhaps I should learn about the new things I am seeing before I go forward. Is it a death trap? For a low level, most likely. Are there ways out, yes. I think that is enough about a new area that many have not ventured to yet.

  

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