Sat Oct 2 23:43:38 2010

At 10 o'clock AM, Day of the Great Gods, 33rd of the Month of the Grand Struggle
on the Theran calendar Koth perished, never to return.

Ragers not accepting First Aid from Paladins is news to me.

Lay Hands is s slightly different story, but inside a shrine I don't
know why it would be an issue.

My next rager is going to be eeeeeviiiil, but I'd appreciate if an
IMM could clear this up for our future reference.

I know it means #### coming from me since things have changed alot, but I never cared if people used lay hands. It was still a skill, much like bandages or poltrice.

Communes were a whole diffrent story however in my opinion.

From IC point of view, how does lay hands works? Why it heals?

Layhands is a level 10 skill, which means it never required empowerment for use and ICly, should be performable by anyone with faith and the necessary training.

Furthermore, bard songs heal merely through the power of suggestion in CF, so it's not really a stretch to believe people can be healed purely by the power of benevolent will without magic.

So, you just put hands on somenoe and he is healed - plague included? That's funny.

I totally agree with Borkahd (didn't notice his answer). When you are laying hands, you call a divine power (and many communes do not require empowerment, too, btw). And not your hands healing them, but power of the Gods. So yes, it is skill in which power of the Gods is involved.

fds

This is my take and it may not reflect the view of other Village Imms but Borkahd still reserves the right to devour your soul:

First aide has nothing to do with divine power, praying, or anything similar. It is simply a skill in tending to a wound. Like bandage, poultice, etc.

Laying of hands is a prayer by a paladin attempting to use divine power to heal the target. As such, I feel it should be treated just like a commune.

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"My view of Borkahd IC"
If you anger him, he'll rape you to death, eat your flesh, and sew your skin into his clothing. And if you're very, very lucky, he'll do it in that order. ~Twist

This makes me super sad. I REALLY like Koth's role. Thanks for writing it. I really hoped you'd hold it out and see what happened to it. You had a TON of potential. You're deletion really makes me sad. Hard times, etc, really tests people. This word really summarizes my feelings: frown. That was a really cool role.

Nae-nae

Thanks for interacting with me a little.

Was your arrival because of Koth's prompting or was that already in the works.

Not sure what you mean by my arrival, but I will say that I really dug your role when I read it and wanted to do some interacting with you.

How Nae-nae responds to people usually depends on a few different things, but you handled it well (even though I'll admit that I truly dislike Mino-speech). So, to not answer your question in such a round about way, yes, I interacted with you because you initiated it, but also because I liked the role and had a lot to go on about your character's past and why he is the way he is because of your role.

Hope to see you in the fields some day.

Nae-nae

I just don't like being penalized for something beyond my control and that's the message I got at the end in the shrine right or wrong.

You get cussed out by said Paladin and are told that Thror said #### off.

I really regret the effort I put into this now. I don't know why I have bothered trying anything in relation to Thror, it's always ended up #### for me.

A Paladin cusses and gets God knows what perks beside his empowerment. I ask for the First Aid skill, and I'm thrown in the trash.


And you know what? I tried RPing my ass of in that stupid quest, and didn't get so much as a hint that you (Thror) gave a ####. At least Naeshuck responded to me.

Over all just a shiddy ####ing night.
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Cardum lays his hands upon your head, healing you.
Your sores vanish.
Your sores vanish.

Cardum looks at you.

You say 'My thanks.'


Cardum is here.

Cardum wakes you.

Cardum says 'Koth, I got ter say somethin quick.'

You say 'Aye?'

Cardum says 'Yer see that dwarf up dere?'

You say 'Get on with it. I should be
resting.'

You say 'What?'

Cardum says 'An yer seein yerself here, all plagued an shyte?'

Cardum says 'Den doesna be a stupid bastid.'

You tell Cardum 'It's a matter of honor
between us now Paladin.'

You tell Cardum 'I asked if you had
first aid for plague because you were Thrors.'

Cardum has arrived.

Cardum says 'Aye'

You tell Cardum 'You come to me, curse
me against your own oath?'

Cardum says 'An yer know what he said ter me?'

You say 'What did he say?'

Cardum says 'He said ter forge yer sorry arse when I 'ealed yer.'

You say 'Oh.'



You stop using a bronze bracer.
You stop using a bronze bracer.
You stop using a well-crafted yew staff.
You stop using a blemished ring of gold.
You stop using a blemished ring of gold.
You stop using red-gold dragon leggings.
You stop using red-gold dragon armguards.
You stop using red-gold dragon gauntlets.
You stop using a red-gold dragon hide.
You stop using a wide, black leather belt.
You stop using a set of steel horn tips.
You stop using the robe of tranquility.
You stop using a pair of steel plated hooves.
You stop using a wool cloak with an ebony clasp.
You stop using a wool cloak with an ebony clasp.

You drop a light dwarven axe.
You drop a steel-tipped wooden spear.
You drop a bronze bracer.
You drop a bronze bracer.
You drop a black iron-headed spear.
You drop a tarnished silver ring.
You drop the captain's log.
You drop a water skin.
You drop a wooden spear.
You drop a well-crafted yew staff.
You drop a practice whip.
You drop a blemished ring of gold.
You drop a blemished ring of gold.
You drop a well-crafted yew staff.
You drop an onyx and obsidian bracelet.
You drop red-gold dragon leggings.
You drop red-gold dragon armguards.
You drop red-gold dragon gauntlets.
You drop a dragon boat.
You drop a red-gold dragon hide.
You drop a wide, black leather belt.
You drop a large sack.
You drop a set of steel horn tips.
You drop the robe of tranquility.
You drop a tarnished silver ring.
You drop a pair of steel plated hooves.
You drop fur-lined wrist wrap.
You drop a wool cloak with an ebony clasp.
You drop a wool cloak with an ebony clasp.

You feel more accomplished in the
world of commerce. You have earned 65 experience

Suffice it to say, asking for help is EXTREMELY anti-Thror.

Sucks it rubbed you the wrong way and you lost a mino spot because of it.

I was a Minotaur doing his own thing.

I was a minotaur that helped Thror when HE asked for help.

How does he empower? Don't his priests ask for help?

I stayed up way to late thinking this guy put this together for us, I may as well participate.

Boom! I'm ####ed because I have to be up at 630 am and didn't want to wait 15 30 mins IRL to hit the rack.

I was under the impression First Aid from priests of battle imms was allowed and even though I didn't ask for hands, that is a skill not a sup so why the ####ing drama.

God damn. I'm done for a while, this isn't fun anymore.

Village rules state one should only ask for aid from priests at the shrine of battle or shrine of the lords. It matters little if it is a commune or skill, they are still a priest of the gods. Anyway I do know how you feel about things not turning out as you wish and I want to wish you good luck with your next.

And everything should be fine.

I specifically asked for First Aid.

I was in Thror's Shrine.

It was a Thror Paladin who I heard was trying to be a Battlerager so any help from him would seem acceptable.

Let that be a lesson to anybody else. Don't even bother trying because your goals don't mean squat if an Imm has a whim.

This was a Follower of Kasty's, and I should have know from past experince, stay the hell away from Thror.

Thror didn't curse Koth or plague Koth or say Koth wasn't worthy of a hut. Cardum didn't damn him or put a black mark in Koth's ledger of future ragerdom. But you were told what to do so you would not chased out of the shrine, you didn't do it, and then you repeatedly came in when there was a hostile NPC communing shaman supplications at you, apparently even after Thror was restored. Koth's heart was in the right place, but his head? Somewhere else.

Thror gave Cardum leave to heal Koth of disease and instructed the priest to forge Koth too. That is not the same as f### with Koth, but in this case it meant getting berated for your foolishness.


And now for today's devotional message: Try Thror today! With New Brazilian Wax Job action!

N/T

It's okay if I cuss as long as I change the spelling right? Because that’s what your Paladin does and get’s away with.

I haven't liked you with any characters that have met you and this was the cake.

Furthermore, you are mischaracterizing things in this event or flat out lying about what happened.

1) I was NEVER "Told what to do". I don't even know what the #### you are talking about. I never asked anyone, "What do I do?" I mean it's bizarre that you even say this, what are you even talking about? Specifically.

2) You know full well why that Mob was attacking me. I attacked it as an RP thing trying to break in and save Thror. I knew I couldn't save him. I just did it for the circumstances at hand. Of course the Mob continued to attack me after that. That's how the game works.

And yes, that's EXACTLY the same as "#### with Koth" because It's my real life time that is being taken from me when I am trying to play a game to have fun and I just went the extra mile to take part in his thing.

You are probably the worst Paladin this game has ever known that is empowered at hero. Why you are I don't know because you cussed Koth, you damn sure didn't set an example and you sure as #### aren't inspirational.

You are exactly what you fight, I.E. a duergar.

If I was going to be forced to have anything to do with you, I'd rather delete and I did.

You're really just coming off as whiny many. You haven't liked his paladin with any previous characters, and are yet asking him for help. Not only asking him for help, but doing it while sick from attacking a mob in his god's shrine. As far as language, yes that would be bad language for a human paladin. He's a dwarf, and that's definitely not cussing up a blue streak for a dwarf. Even if he did, it's more or less part of their cultural heritage. You didn't get what you thought you deserved so you are lashing out.

Koth never really met him until this quest began.

Koth was not plagued by a mob.

Show me where Dwarves cuss outside of PC RP.

Show me where the Paladin code excuses said behavior.

gr

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That which does not kill us,
makes us stronger.

"show me where dwarves cuss outside of pc rp"

show me where gnomes outside of pc rp have to talk weird and be annoying? We both know that cursing is common enough to dwarven rp, just like scottish accents, that it's an unwritten mannerism/cultural thing.

As far as the paladin code, there are a few things that come into play there. What a dwarf considers fair speech is going to be different than an elf or a human. I would also not say that he went so far as to "cuss you out". Getting away from defending him for a second, do most paladins keep few coins, speak fairly, follow the laws, etc etc etc? Almost every paladin doesn't adhere to at least one of the tenets 100%. Does this make them a bad paladin? I don't think so. Should it limit their rewards, yes it probably should. My paladin Dorn was a great dwarf and a good paladin. He didn't receive everything he could have because of this, but he was exactly how I wanted him.

Once upon a time in the Leader Room in the academy there was a gnome who spoke in the manner of a Krynnese tinker gnome. Valg specifically wrote years ago, gnomes aren't to be played that way and would lose wisdom if they did. I haven't encountered an odd gnome in years. So this is a Bad example.

Show me where Dwarves other than PC's speak in anything other than polite language?

This dwarf not only speaks poorly, he acts poorly and he treats others poorly.

Carrion Fields Help Files
'DWARF SPEECH' 'DWARVEN SPEECH'


Dwarves and their speech can vary as widely as the length of their
beards. Whether it is mildly slurred or having crudely shortened
words, their dialogue is often hurried, the dwarves as a whole
preferring action to words. Attributed as a testament to their
short tempers, the loud use of colorful phrases or curses may
sometimes slip it's way into the average dwarf's speech, something
which even the most refined of dwarves may succumb to. In addition
to their common speech, some dwarves are also fond of using runes
to communicate. Be it for inspiration, demoralization, divine
guidance, or some other reason, the language is an ancient one,
understood almost exclusively by the sages, historians, blacksmiths,
or priests of their society.

A few common dwarven phrases and idioms include:

"Axes high!" or "Hammers high!" - calling allies to arms, regardless
of weapons used
"... smells like a duergar!" - common dwarven insult
"... unworthy of the beard you/I wear" - used to shame another dwarf, or self
"stoking my fire and raising my ire" - used to warn of increased anger
"Dull blades and stale ale!" - common dwarven curse
"One must delve deep to mine the most precious jewels." - dwarven proverb
"My kin can move mountains!" - expression of pride among dwarves
"A duergar can't smell his own stench." - dwarven proverb
"Small axe-strokes can fell the greatest of oaks." - dwarven proverb,
in defense of their stature
"...clinging to my mother's beard" - reference to infancy/childhood
"The Final Quenching" - dwarven reference to death



Can I remove my palm from my face now, please?

agsrvb

Ok, that's the situation.

However, what I said still stands. Thror, as the god, doesn't like people asking aid (empowerment is a different story - it's NOT asking for aid, but moreso, saying 'this is my situation - hear my story' - if empowerment happens, awesome).

Thror has every right, per his character, to say that you need forging. Which, again, is not a bad thing.

I think you overreacted a bit on this one.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. In fact, I've read this over and over again and I still have no clue what you are talking about.

There was a global quest ran last night. I apologize if I wasn't able to talk to you during this quest. I apologize if you chose to participate and you were not rewarded.

There will be other opportunities.

As far as talking about how worthless it is trying to follow me - My religion (and rewards) aren't meant to come easily. That's why we have an entire pantheon of immortals. If one doesn't suit you, find another.

This is the question I asked the paladin.

You tell Cardum 'You have first aid for
plague?'

<82%hp 8%m -21%mv 14890tnl wilderness clear>
Pandol tells you 'where you go?'
You are affected by:
Physical effect: 'plague' modifies strength by -5 for 27 hours.

You tell Pandol 'To rot.'

Cardum tells you 'Endure a moment.'

You are affected by:
Physical effect: 'plague' modifies strength by -5 for 26 hours.
Power: 'truesight' for 9 hours.


Cardum has arrived.

Cardum lays his hands upon your head, healing you.
Your sores vanish.
Your sores vanish.

A dwarf calling you a bastid isn't cussing you out, its how dwarves talk. And he came over to help you and you gave him a freaking attitude with your "Get on with it." Then you decide to rage delete.

Over sensitive, over-self entitlement and then a rage delete. That's all there is here.

Grow up.

It's against the Paladin code.

If it's not, the imms need to put a Dwarf clause in it or remove the rule from the code.

I didn't give him an attitude. he woke me from sleep and began to lecture me. He had lectured other characters in the past, he had already lectured Koth and It was apparent he was going to lecture again.

I decided to delete, because he was relaying a message from Thror that because I asked for first aid, I was ####ed. Maybe you like waiting a long time for things to happen, but I don't and that was pretty harsh punishment for Koth.

gr

The Patron Thror does not mind cursing dwarves. Cardum did nothing wrong here.

The Patron Thror requires his priests to forge others when blessing them. If that means talking to you or letting you rot, so be it. Cardum did nothing wrong here.

Do not hold others accountable for your time management. If you should have been asleep at this time, other opportunities to participate will occur.

To delete over something this trivial is somewhat disturbing. It also reassures me that anything worthwhile is difficult to achieve.


Good luck with the next.

I was doing my best to go along with something you had planned. I didn't ask for or expect a reward (Unless of course I found the braid.) from you in regard to anything.

After fighting an Anti-Paladin I come to your Shrine to wait out the plague I got from him.

There is a Paladin of yours there. I the player know from OOC experience first aid is acceptable for use on ragers/applicants.

I ask him for it and he lays hands on me but thank him anyway. But then he wakes me up and it's clear that he's about to rub it in my face.

He does and says you told him to "reforge my sorry ass".

So your priest basically tells me that at that moment everything I had done with the character up until then didn't matter. I was to be punished. If that wasn't the case, you should have stepped in because that Paladin said one thing, even if he meant another.

To my way of thinking, that meant, I'm wasn't fit to be a battlerager, thank you try again or, because you are thror, let's make this guy wait forever and to some extra hard #### to get in. No thanks. If I wanted that, I would have been a Thror follower.

So it had nothing to do with being a follower of yours (I wasn't), it had everything to do with how I percieved the situation to have unfolded. Your loud mouthed rude, crude and agressive messenger, aka the Paladin put across to me that I was ####ed. That was my perception.

It bothers me to know end to see Paladin's that don't follow the code.

Would you let a Twist follower with his tattoo and the Enigma legacy in the Cabal?

Bye.

... you totally got the whole thing wrong. I wouldn't have reacted like this one bit. I see nothing wrong in any of the involved behaviours except yours here on the forums.

1: He's a dwarf, they're loud-mouthed and quite often a bit rude and bad-mouthed.
2: He's a Thror follower, he ain't aiding people for free. They must always be forged or whatnot. (hell, I've had goodie followers standing next to me as Arrna (Storm giant) just to see if I'd survive the fight or not, not stepping in since they're "forging" me.
3: If this is who I think it is (Pro) then you are, as always, overreacting. You've got awesome RP Pro, and I love your chars ingame. But you tend to ALWAYS rage out in the most odd instances. Overreacting to things as if the whole world was out to get you.
Get some perspective dude, you could need it.

Always shoot first and then call whatever you hit the target.

Because that sure as hell doesn't look like an dwarf paladin breaking the code. (Sure, I'd say that 90% of the dwarf paladins in MY world would be on the verge of breaking it constantly.)

What happened to the cool and balanced Pro we all once knew? Haven't seen a sane post from you in years...

Always shoot first and then call whatever you hit the target.

sdbsb

>After fighting an Anti-Paladin I come to your Shrine to wait
>out the plague I got from him.

This here is enough for Thror to throw the beat down on you. But, he didn't. Hiding in a shrine is bleh in my opinion. Hiding in the shrine of a god that isn't your god is even worse. Again, that's my opinion. Other imms might allow others to sit in their shrine.

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>I ask him for it and he lays hands on me but thank him anyway.
>But then he wakes me up and it's clear that he's about to rub
>it in my face.
>
>He does and says you told him to "reforge my sorry ass".

Umm, from what I have seen, all of Thror's followers are supposed to reforge any who are not followers in some way. Good rp there.

>
>So your priest basically tells me that at that moment
>everything I had done with the character up until then didn't
>matter. I was to be punished. If that wasn't the case, you
>should have stepped in because that Paladin said one thing,
>even if he meant another.

Only if you see reforging as a punishment. I see reforging as a rp effort. If you were an enemy and were to receive the punishment reforging, I don't think healing you would have happened.

>
>To my way of thinking, that meant, I'm wasn't fit to be a
>battlerager, thank you try again or, because you are thror,
>let's make this guy wait forever and to some extra hard ####
>to get in. No thanks. If I wanted that, I would have been a
>Thror follower.

It sounds like you thought way too hard on this looking for something bad that didn't happen.

>
>So it had nothing to do with being a follower of yours (I
>wasn't), it had everything to do with how I percieved the
>situation to have unfolded. Your loud mouthed rude, crude and
>agressive messenger, aka the Paladin put across to me that I
>was ####ed. That was my perception.

Take yourself away from the character, Koth, and look at it this way from a player's perspective. Non-follower goes into a god's shrine to hide. It just happens to be the god that pretty much epitomizes that followers should not act that way. He doesn't slay, berate, etc. you at all, and even allows a follower to heal you. The character gets mad at the person who heals him and the god who allowed him to hide and get healed at his shrine. Would you really take that player's side in this?

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>It bothers me to know end to see Paladin's that don't follow
>the code.

I see nothing within the code that was broken here.
>
>Would you let a Twist follower with his tattoo and the Enigma
>legacy in the Cabal?

I see no relevance here.
>
>Bye.
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