Thu Dec 3 22:47:03 2009

At 3 o'clock AM, Day of the Moon, 35th of the Month of the Dragon
on the Theran calendar Dupmasione perished, never to return.

Couldn't really do anything to you if the Light swayed. However, having Dup around when Darkness tipped was great. You seemed a good sport with the whole enemy one day and friend the other. Of course, being a nexus imm helps understanding that.

glwyn.

But I am going to tell you why you suck.

#### you and your cheesy power combos, Twist. You've pk-ed me too many times with that ####. Play an orc or something you total fag.

Nah, actually everyone is giving credit where credit is due, Twist tends to play classy, well RP'd chars. Who cares if they are power combos, he doesnt roll up bash giants and loot the hell out of everyone he sees, multi kill them, and turn on deaf. He roleplays, returns gear that he isnt rule bound to, helps people out, and is generally a cool guy. there is a big difference between some of his power combo chars, and a few other chars that I wont mention, but needless to say they always out themselves on the message boards. If you dont like him, then you dont like him, but no reason to jack his graveyard thread for a very successful char.

I never obtained those in 12 years. I guess I don't have snoop and other skills

First off, you posted anonymously. That's the first indication that tells me you suck.

The second is that you said you played for 12 years and never had them. That tells me you were never strong enough of a character to acquire them from someone who actually had them.

I've had them over a half dozen times at some point or another. And the majority of the time, it required killing someone to get them. I think I got them off the actual mob once, too. If I can get them, anyone can get them, so long as they actually try.

... And the first two times I was still quite the newbie. (Dumb luck as Kreo, a thief once)

I shouldn't have sold them so cheap but I didn't feel like I really needed them with bloodlust. They still had uses but I knew if I held onto them some assassin would power rank and assassinate me, so it wasn't really worth it.

I'm in the same boat as Twist skill wise, and I've had them before. They're always on a PC. Usually everyone knows which PC that is. All you need to do is kill that guy.

Which, given the caliber of player that's usually running around w/ strange bracers, is usually easier said than done.

Whether it's WRATH WRATH WRATH WRATH WRATH WRATH.... or

FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECKFLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECKFLYTO PECK FLYTO PECKFLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECKFLYTO PECK FLYTO PECKFLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK FLYTO PECKFLYTO PECK FLYTO PECK

I personally would get bored. But I understand why you're defending him. I'm sure you too RP for Baerinika really well (when you are not spamming FLYTO PECK)

I'm clearly not as good at pking as several other players of CF. Evidence to this fact:
1. My three most successful (in terms of PKwins) chars since returning are Hunsobo, Woldrun, and Dupmasione. Bash bash bash, drive drive drive flurry, and wrath wrath wrath.
2. Chars I've been unsuccessful (in terms of PKwins) with have been ones such as:
Fobrin (Fort elf invoker - too many options, maybe?)
Shilbor (Nexus battle mace (I forget the other spec - whip maybe?) with riddle and maelstrom) - this char didn't have "too many options" but didn't fit my obvious successful playstyle of having one "really clear choice" of things to do
Galtholnicus (human rager berserker assassin) - no patience to stalk, no patience to levelsit and work on assassinate
There's others, some fall more in-between (Feilinal was decent, Iltanthal too, Bonthos meh, etc.), but the ones above really stick out in my mind as pretty dismal failures.

Basically I do have a lot of work to do if I ever want to become as "elite" in terms of PK as many of CF's current crop of players.

I don't think it's fair that you say that "all I do" is play power combos, though. I think it's just that those are more remembered and commented on. Probably because I play those chars for longer (age death, con death, age death). Because who wants to continue to play a combo that is getting owned and isn't what you envisioned? (Shilbor, for example, was supposed to have about 1500 HP, a 100 damroll, and just beat the crap out of people and force them to run. Didn't work out that way - 1500ish HP doesn't help if you're losing 400/round.)

So while your point about wrath wrath wrath is well taken (in fact, some folks would comment on it, to which I'd reply "Oh yes, next time I'll shieldbash you to death."), I think your point above is perception-rather-than-reality based.

>Shilbor (Nexus battle mace

What is Nexus battle mace? he was in 2 opposing cabals?

Dwarf just seems to equal battle to me, apparently.

I was impressed with your RP from the start and that grew during my time in the Fortress. The Lascivious Elf angle was one I had not seen before, at least not played with the proper restraint so as to not make it offensive.

You were the first contact I had with the Fortress and I was grateful for it. Rather than dismissing me outright, as I thought would happen, you were open to my RP and very helpful from the get go. You continued to be supportive the entire time and for that I thank you.

-Quezz

Great char. Ready to fight anytime, deadly and solid RP. I had spent alot of time finding enemies for you, and I really enjoyed our team work. Sorry that I called you Captain when you werent, but I knew that you will be the next one. You did a great job bringing new ppls, and Fort is alive only cause you, with such high percentage of got-hero-died-pissed-delete chars here.

Thank for all those boas, gold, coats etc!

Good luck with something new!

First off, well played char, thru and thru, no matter how you will take the lot of this thread, you wouldn't have gotten so much feedback from everyone if you didn't burn yourself into the playerbase.

God dam.....can't say anything super positive...because I won't give up my char eh, so, that my friend, will wait till my own death thread.

The negitive....well, not super negitive like the rest of the thread....just my view....I hated when you would attack me in town....mostly because that opening OBLIT wrath damage hurt BAD, but, also...a lawbreaking paladin...that idea just doesn't sit well with me personally....I know there is definately room for RPEE to make it possible, but still. I got another little gripe....but, that's more of a broad gripe...about alot of others too!


So, there is more comments to come, don't take the negitive too badly, like I said, you wouldn't have so many people saying things if you didn't make such an impression....I guess that's the bad thing about playing a complete powerhouse.

GLWYN though you don't really need it


Peace

So, this gives me a mark to shoot for before my own age death. When I reached about 500 hours, I knew there was no way I could con die, and with so many hours logged in, it seemed a waste to just end it. Everytime I thought I should, you came along and stirred that fresh air, even if it was just the same old Dup air.

Your RP was edgy in some ways, comforting in others and even the borderline OOC moments seemed to fit. I also see a bit of what Balten was saying. You were TOO awesome and you had no need for me unless we faced pretty chancey situations. Which I loved, because we would always come out on top. Though, I also love healing and being needed. Makes me feel cozy.

At first, your innuendo schtick was bleh, but as I started paying more attention to it, pretty cool. I even started telling tales of your one-liners and little stories at work and they became known as 'Dupmasioneisms' "Hey, guys, I have another Dupmasioneism! You see, these three dwarven ladies were talking about their husbands, comparing them to what alcholic beverage they are most like." Priceless. Firebreather, ha.


Nothing at all negative to say. The too awesome thing is actually a compliment and there will be a void now that you are gone. I only play good healers or druids, so...please don't roll a baddie. I do not want to feel that pain, just take joy in seeing it inflicted upon others.

Lornkanamas

Go Colts!

Interesting.

I had no idea who the player was but I was entirely impressed based on my first moment watching you with Iunna. You were such a man-sleeze with the women!

You had the whole charisma thing going while at the same time maintaining that ruthless yet class-act in Battles. I watched you take some rediculous risks against Empire and I was almost sure you'd die in many of those scenarios but you always managed to work your way out. The most difficult ones to watch were when Sanctuary dropped in the middle of a big brawl.

It was good to see someone bring the fight to Empire in situations where they were the dominant force. I'm sure all the younger Empire mortals are much more comfortable now that you are gone.

Really solid character. Wish I could have found more ways to interact with him other than animating mobs.

Haha, I should have guessed. We had some witty banter and good battles. Very tough to kill.

Was some fun fights. By fun I mean I was shocked and amzed by how much I got lagged out by shield jab. I finally bothered to take the time to gather my paladin preps and you go and age die, phoey.

as for hold that rangers loot hostage, If you hadn't ponied up with returning my boa I would have returned it. Though it likely would have been a favor for me to not return it as he would have been better off wearing outfit gear then what he had. I supose the story of that incident spread because the next day while raiding I died and a couple of forties who will remain nameless decided to leave me with just 3 things as payback. Sorry to the other fort mage who died a couple ticks latered and by default volunteered to fully regear me but it is interesting to see how the whole dwogurdian idea of discipline just ends up leaving everyone pissed off. I will refrain from lesson teaching I supose.

But dup was gutsy, and deadly, and a very respectable presence. It was cool to have you around as an enemy cause you made me need to stay on my toes. Keep rolling out those quality chars twist.

Paladins are bad enough for theives as it is, but you were *always* around. I'd go to bed at 3am after hiding from the fort horde, mainly you, for 4 hrs, then get to work at 8 am, log on, and there you are again. You have super powers.

I was certain you were Graatch. Enjoyed your snideness.

I definitely thought this was Graatch.

I really liked talking to you when I was Menthias. The weird thing was I started off as a girl, and I ate some berries and I turned into a girl..(don't ask, rp reasons), never knew if anyone actually noticed. But it was fun, wish I had gotten more time to talk to you...but I spent all my time mastering spells . Took forever. Anyway, I though you were fun to interact with, and were very helpful. GLWYN.

I knew it was you when you tried to sex up my elves.

And I knew it was you when it was a female elf who was so obviously only female because of the powergamey aspects. Ah well.

I'm curious. As long as the player is doing an adequate job of playing a chick, has a clearly female description, a role that doesn't (for some reason) lend itself strictly to a male, etc., what's wrong with choosing to play a female most of the time either entirely or partially because there are a handful of fringe benefits?

I'm sure you've made plenty of mechanical and role decisions when dreaming up and playing characters based on how it will affect your ability to survive, PK, and otherwise be successful. I'm sure we all have.

Crafted may tend to play females because they offer some perceived advantage. Would you stop playing horny elves who are out for a good shag if there somehow became a mechanical advantage in doing so?

No, re-reading, I'm certain I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. Nobody makes a char specifically to be poor at PK or be unable to wear certain eq or whatever. Well, nobody does it often. On purpose.

I *would* like to hear more about the mechanical advantages of shagging, though. Specifically, what sort of mechanics are involved?

Fair enough. To me, your post read like not only was it how you identified the player through the character, but you thought it was something that should be frowned upon.

I just don't see a problem with choosing to play chicks almost all the time because you get something for free.

Sidenote: While I very rarely play females, I'll admit that for bards and conjurers, it does make getting good +chr a lot easier. While there is +chr gear for both genders, from what I've found and identified, the female_only stuff tends to be better (ie more mods, higher level, etc.), not to mention it's usually not maxxed.

The only thing I'd throw out for your discussion/consideration is that if you're playing a female character that is super-obviously played by a male, probably you aren't doing a very good job of roleplaying, and that is where you maybe get problems.

What would you consider some tell-tale signs a character is clearly played by a dude?

I tend to be one of those people who doesn't really enjoy sit down "chit chat" style back and forth RP with people. I usually make the initial assumption that boys are boys and girls and girls, and correct my assumptions later if I get any weird vibes. I have no idea how often this generalization holds true, but probably most of the time.

Maybe I simply don't pay enough attention to .. something, I dunno what, but I don't think I've never had an epiphany in which I decided a female character must be played by a guy.

I'm genuinely interested in what you would consider some of the signs? I can definitely see OOC outbursts and whatnot more likely from male players, and "griefing", but I'd be hard pressed to offer any reason why without consulting my old college psychology books. Other than that, all I can think of is the whole bowing when you should curtsy type stuff.

There are many things ladies do (IRL) that can be utilized when playing a female. Pay attention to how ladies behave and you will pick up on small things that will make you think how you missed on these.

Few examples:
Men bow; but women courtsey
Men laugh, lol or rofl; women giggle
Men strut and be proud; women blush
Men wear clothings that are awesome with stats; women tend to wear clothings as they look good
Men tend to boost; women usually try to minimise the effect and at times tell others they did good than to take all the credit
Men can be like Dupmasione (Eternally Horny Elves); Women often whisper amoung themselves about the people they like
Men love all good looking women and flirt with them; Women will blush if she likes the guy or avoid men whom they don't like
Women usually do not belch or burp
You have to be classy to play a woman (good or evil)

Some of the men and ladies will not agree with these observations I had of us ladies, but its not true at all times.

I'm kidding. A little.

Yeah, I'll buy most of that. Then again, in CF even the females can be jaded, evil wizards or 12' tall giant warriors, etc., so I guess I don't normally associate what I would call being (OOC) "lady-like" as proper femininity in CF.

I hear ya, though.

I think you've heard something of my take on that char of yours from somebody we both know. I'm not sure what exactly you heard so I will write it again.. It would be nice to discuss it private but I doubt you want it.

Good:
I got a feeling that you were cool allie and acted nice with most of your enemies. Sometimes you were good person to speak with, I've liked some of your comments before, after and during our fights.

Not bad but worth mentioning:
ALERT ----- this did NOT affect my take on your char.

This char was ULTRA conservative during our meetings. While I don't see anything wrong or bad in it, I'm gonna laugh each time you will say I don't take risks. Because I've seen char who sure played way MORE conservative than I, while I have more to lose.

Hell, I remember fighting with 4 of your chars(Hunsobo, Dupm, fort invoker and Woldrun). All of them were conservative when they fought with me except Woldrun, who was totaly different. But with Dump you beated my idea of how conservative it's possible to be.

From what I've heard at the end(last 2-3 weeks) you've stopped of being so conservative and actualy started dying, but I suppose it had something to do with fact that char was going to age die or you were going to end this char.

Bad(to me you were gay ass, honestly.. while all these make sense IC it's total gay OOC):

1. I was totaly pissed off with your sitting in safe place summoning my zombies and killing them. To me it's nowhere better than saccing items of fallen enemy in order make him spend time gathering items back.

Get me right, I totaly don't mind if you do so to get advantage and then ACTUALY USE this advantage(raiding/reraiding/hunting me/stopping me from raiding which actualy has nothing to do with my zombies because raiding watcher = losing all zombies).

I don't mind if you come fight me and kill zombies while we fight or if you made me run and killed zombies while I'm licking my wounds.

But when you don't do a ####ing #### with that advantage you just make me spend my time gathering them again or not being able to use them for something like exploring and such.

On the top was your login without orb, sitting and summoning zombies for about 1 rl hour(if not more) and then just quiting.

2. Same goes to your awesome attacks of Vanquisher(while you are not raided) and then running away before anyone came. Repeat x times.

You may say you hurted him in order to make your reraids easy if we raid you. But you actualy NEVER used that advantage. It NEVER maid your reraid easy. So you just ####ing spend time of all imperial players for no real reason.

For me it would be better if you were telling me in char some ooc #### or posted that #### on forums than making me spend time without ANYONE benefit from that.

I find funny that some people who said they don't like you char in private talks now posting "Hey! You were cool! Awesome char".

My take on you as the character and the player:

You want people to basically take chances against, arguably, the most powerful current character in the game (you), so that you can pad stats and get phylacteries.

I didn't like any of my interactions with you, ally or foe. As an ally, you're basically a floofy, OOC moron. As a foe, you're pretty much just a douche bag.

If at all possible, I try not to play the game against characters and people like you, because you drain the fun and wholesomeness out of Carrion Fields for me.

Through this character Ahtieli, you have shown your true colors as a player. And this post just adds to the heap of irrationality that you seem to truly believe in.



1) Summoning zombies from a safe place from you is a smart tactic. Get over it.

2) Hit-and-run tactics against the vanquisher is a perfectly viable tactic. Get over it.

I like when there are powerful characters in the game. It adds a nemesis / arch-rival aspect to the game. But not when they come in the form of you. You have no class or respect.

I have no dog in this race and don't otherwise want to get involved, however, I felt compelled to comment on one thing.

>arguably,
>the most powerful current character in the game (you)

I'm not sure how someone could coherently argue that a character that isn't Ahtieli is the most powerful current character in the game.

(Edit: Fixed my double negative. Triple negative. Whatever.)

Even though it's ONLY for Twist and not for you.

>You want people to basically take chances against, arguably,
>the most powerful current character in the game (you), so that
>you can pad stats and get phylacteries.

1. No, NO, ####ING NO AND AGAIN NO. I've wrote it ####ing a lot of times but you failed to notice it. It even wrote in my post above but you are too blind to see it.

2. I'm glad that you don't want to take chances against me. I find it funny when you blame me for not taking chances, while you do exactly the same and you wrote it on your own.

3. I'm sure will applaud more to someone who takes chances against tought enemy. Because it's hard while not taking chances is easy.

Do you think I should dislike someone for taking chances?

4. I'm sure won't applaud to anyone who does not take chances for not taking chances(while I can applaud/like him for other cool things). But I won't think of him as he is weak ass or will have any negative feelings towards him.

Do you think I would like you for not taking chances?

>I didn't like any of my interactions with you, ally or foe. As
>an ally, you're basically a floofy, OOC moron. As a foe,
>you're pretty much just a douche bag.

That's your own problems. Quite a bit players will disagree with you, some vocal gay ass minority will agree with you. I don't care especialy given that it's you who avoid me

>If at all possible, I try not to play the game against
>characters and people like you, because you drain the fun and
>wholesomeness out of Carrion Fields for me.

While I drain fun out of you, I give fun to somebody else. I don't enjoy your existance also but I don't bother with it so much to come into any of your posts which are not related to me, just to tell you how you suck. Probably it's sign of your mental problems.

>Through this character Ahtieli, you have shown your true
>colors as a player. And this post just adds to the heap of
>irrationality that you seem to truly believe in.

You also showed your true colors of not being able to take competition in game, where you avoid me. But throwing me "challenge" on forums. Oh, mighty forum warrior!

>1) Summoning zombies from a safe place from you is a smart
>tactic. Get over it.
Did you fail to see where I've wrote the same? Want me to point it for idiot like you?
>2) Hit-and-run tactics against the vanquisher is a perfectly
>viable tactic. Get over it.
Did you fail to see where I've wrote the same? Want me to point it for idiot like you?

>I like when there are powerful characters in the game. It adds
>a nemesis / arch-rival aspect to the game. But not when they
>come in the form of you. You have no class or respect.

For example, look at Twist's comment on me, while I sure disliked this char of his.

I'm not even going to read any of the drivel you just wrote.

But one part stood out to me: Something about me saying you don't take risks?

Show me one post, please, where I (me, Magus, specifically) said that you, Ahtieli, do not take risks.

It's never happened. Because I could give two ####s about you, or your character.

by "you are telling I'm not taking risks" I was speaking about vocal minority but not you personaly. So if you say you never said it, I don't have reasons not to belive you.

>2. I'm glad that you don't want to take chances against me. I
>find it funny when you blame me for not taking chances, while
>you do exactly the same and you wrote it on your own.

The difference is in the payout. When Ahtieli does something slightly risky and fights a group then there's a reasonable chance someone in that group dies.

If my character takes a slight risk and fights Ahtieli, being ready to quaff away if I get blinded, there is basically zero chance I'm going to kill you.

So I might take a slight risk if I'm Ahtieli because there might be a payout. I'm less likely to take a slight risk by fighting Ahtieli solo because there's not likely to be any payout.

>4. I'm sure won't applaud to anyone who does not take chances
>for not taking chances(while I can applaud/like him for other
>cool things).

Actually, I would view negatively someone who takes risks and fights Ahtieli solo, with no chance of killing Ahtieli, and then dies because he took that risk.

All that guy did is feed Ahtieli a phylactery.

As in hit the...

A lich, any lich has his or her risks cut dramatically just because they're a lich.
No deafen - No blind - No unconsciousness - phylacteries that can mimic invoker shields and do a host of other things based on whomever contributed to becoming said phylactery.

Add Necromancer things to the mix like. Undead Army - Maledictions till the cows come home and so forth.

There was a day when Necromancers just went to hero like any other class and were a terror back then. Add lich properties and unless you're running around naked sans army the only risks you'll see is ignoring your health or fighting large groups. Even then, with the right gear you can potentially prog damage someone in one of those groups to death.

So Ahtielli should just suck it up. Unless you pull Zorszaul and at least one Istendil type fight(s), wherein you take on five or more opponents you will never be considered to really have taken a risk. If you don't do those and still consider yourself a risk taker as a lich, well, you're just fooling yourself..

The flipside, ie. solo taking on a lich who's not trying to suicide, that character is really just empowering the lich. The only situation wherein this would be acceptable is if a whole group was fixing to get whacked by the lich in question and the one person directly jumped the lich so the others could escape. But that's a rareity at best.

A rager will occasionally do the solo suicide attempt because they're ragers. That's how they roll sometimes...

>As in hit the...
>
>A lich, any lich has his or her risks cut dramatically just
>because they're a lich.
>No deafen - No blind - No unconsciousness - phylacteries that
>can mimic invoker shields and do a host of other things based
>on whomever contributed to becoming said phylactery.

Yep in general liches have better chances to survive than most classes. About phylactery power/abilities... don't forget lich has to have that phylactery at first.


>There was a day when Necromancers just went to hero like any
>other class and were a terror back then. Add lich properties
>and unless you're running around naked sans army the only
>risks you'll see is ignoring your health or fighting large
>groups.

I would suggested you to try lich for better understanding class but I don't think you get one anywhere soon.

>Even then, with the right gear you can potentially
>prog damage someone in one of those groups to death.

Not so often as you think. And for sure from my expirience in most cases it will costs lich more phylacteries then number of people lich fights with.

>So Ahtielli should just suck it up. Unless you pull Zorszaul
>and at least one Istendil type fight(s), wherein you take on
>five or more opponents you will never be considered to really
>have taken a risk. If you don't do those and still consider
>yourself a risk taker as a lich, well, you're just fooling
>yourself..
1. I said a lot of times. It's stupid to compare currient liches with old liches like Zorszaul or Istendil.
But anyway here is a log you seems to be ignored http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?3,814512,814512#msg-814512

So shut the #### up?

There are more than one log of me fighting with group of five or more. But you sure turned blind eye if I post links.

>The flipside, ie. solo taking on a lich who's not trying to
>suicide, that character is really just empowering the lich.
>The only situation wherein this would be acceptable is if a
>whole group was fixing to get whacked by the lich in question
>and the one person directly jumped the lich so the others
>could escape. But that's a rareity at best.

Sometimes you right, sometimes you are not. There are quite a bit of combos that have very low chances of dying to a lich if they are careful(not total idiots in pk).

Examples:
1. Sylue avoided fighting me solo but he feeded me with phylactery.

2. Mizfara fought with me a lot, died once and only because his own mistakes.

Abosulty two different ways to deal with me, exactly same outcome.

>1. Sylue avoided fighting me solo but he feeded me with
>phylactery.

Because I broke my own rule and actually let you attack me, in an effort to help Valaina find her corpse before you go to it.

No good deed goes unpunished.


>2. Mizfara fought with me a lot, died once and only because
>his own mistakes.

Twice I think. I died to you and some shaman in Imperial Lands when you weren't even a hero yet. Then the time you slept me in the Fields of Balator.

I died that time because I was not prepared to survive being slept and maledicted.

Though, it would be pretty hard to be prepared for that. I had the means to cure blindness and enough speckled/silver pills to survive and get to a healer, but I got "full" and couldn't eat any more of them.

I haven't found anything reliable for curing lich scourge.

Fighting a lich is sort of like fighting a shaman. Don't do it unless you're prepared to survive rot, or, in the case of a lich, to survive curse + blind + forget + scourge.

Unless I'm totally off my rocker, I'm pretty sure it cures scourge instantly. Maybe I'm wrong.

Klaak

Great spirits have always met violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-Einstein

Hard to keep on hand if you're fighting the lich with any regularity. So in the general case you have to plan on keeping yourself alive (and keeping your movement up) long enough to get to a healer. And have enough gold to spam heal disease at the healer several times.

Actually, I recall someone showing me refresh *potions* at one point. I need to find those again. Much more useful than pills.

Nererial had to cure Satebos's scourge fairly often, and cure disease worked when I needed it to (although I did clear out and start trying when I still had about 500 mana). After taking the cure disease edge, it worked reliably.

Yeah, well, I was an assassin.

Had written a rebuttal on a point per point scale, but decided against it.

You're a sad little fella. That's you the person, not the character. You manage to be a nuisance in character but as a person you're just kind'a funny and sad in the same breath.

I've never argued the facts with you concerning your risk taking. The log you posted is semi risky kind of. You face five at your inner guardians with your army of undead. Ragers do this against Imperials all the time without the ability to word or teleport, so I suppose you're like a wimpy wannabe rager, in this case.

The fights I cited with those other liches weren't in cabals. The two do compare quite easily in truth. Just as things back then were stronger in lots of ways, it went both ways for both the liches and those they were fighting, so things kind of equal out. Now, both are slightly weaker. They didn't have anti-ganging code to help them, etc.

Essentially I wrote the whole risk taking sermon based on the fact that you and some others like to bomb others about how they don't do risk taking all that much and you can't realistically jump into that pool a lot without someone splashing you back right?

Trust me, as a hero when you're around, if I'm going to die. I do my damndest to try and do so where you can't get to my corpse. Or any lich for that matter. It's too bad liches aren't limited in their phylacteries like AP's are in their charges. ie. You have to have a hand in killing whomever you want to perform that particular ritual upon, things would be a lot different.

>It's too bad liches
>aren't limited in their phylacteries like AP's are in their
>charges. ie. You have to have a hand in killing whomever you
>want to perform that particular ritual upon, things would be a
>lot different.

Although it's not as strong as the one on A-Ps, they more or less do have a restriction of this kind.

Extending the lag on ritual in cases where penalty comes into play might stop people from just running around vulturing. All one has to do now is keep two seperate containers.

I both think that's a good/interesting idea and think the lag on that spell is pretty painfully long already.

Food for thought.

It's nice to know that you can't get full credit if you're essentially just vulturing corpses. As someone who has never played a lich but has fought a few, I never knew that but it's good to know there are even more checks and balances than some of us might be aware of.

Good stuff!

>The difference is in the payout. When Ahtieli does something
>slightly risky and fights a group then there's a reasonable
>chance someone in that group dies.

Not always. I can not offer you exact statistic but quite often(compared to whole number of solo fighting with group) I have to fight with group I cann't do anything at all (due lack of certain phylacteries or zombies or damage/tank/healing abilities of group), except lucky pwk, which I suggest to remove from any discussion of fights with lich or people in that group make terrible mistakes.

Actualy there are nearly only two vital things you may expect from lich:

1. Damage output from undeads
This one can be very vital for quite a bit part of enemies, but it's not easy to make them redirect and enemies usualy have good chances to take me away of zombies at all or making best group tank to tank zombies. Of course it's if people have an idea how to pk and don't give me advantages like summoning someone away of group into locked room or centurion's trap.

if they don't know how to pk but fight me I will likely kill them regardless.

2. Lich's spells.
Can be vital too but in most cases it takes quite long to spell up you enough for you to die. And almost always you can get away in time if you have an idea how to pk. + You can have someone to heal you up in your group... or other ways to get healing.

Sure there are some extrem examples where I land everything from first try or don't land anything during whole fight.

All in all your point is not really true. I mean sometimes it can be true but quite often it's not. But as I said I can not give you exact numbers.

>If my character takes a slight risk and fights Ahtieli, being
>ready to quaff away if I get blinded, there is basically zero
>chance I'm going to kill you.

If you are solo fighting lich your chances of killing him ~0. Unless lich does some terrible mistakes or get very unlucky. But hey I do mistakes and I died to solo PALADIN . The more you are tryin to more chances you get. Though it can result in me getting phylactery so you should not solo fight lich when you have high chances to die.

If people actualy tried I would have died at least 4 more times when I've lost link being in same area with enemy or enemies group.

For example it was funny when I lost link while being unprepped in black sect while I was raided by Humbert, trans and healer. And they did not go in to kill me just because they thought it's a trap or something(I know for sure that they did not know about me losing link).

>So I might take a slight risk if I'm Ahtieli because there
>might be a payout.

Thing is that then I think if I want to fight group at currient moment I calculate few things:
1. My chances of dying.
2. My chances of killing anyone or getting any result(examples: reraiding, making enemies run without raiding me)

2 somewhat more important than 1. Given what I've read you share this thing with me.

It's questionable if in long run taking risks will actualy bring lich pay out but that depends on play style and pk situation. For example, if I see somewhat good/strong group of enemies and I want or have to fight with, I will have to spend my phylacteries to improve my chances to survive or/and get kill. Usualy it means I spend more than get.

>I'm less likely to take a slight risk by
>fighting Ahtieli solo because there's not likely to be any
>payout.

I'm totaly don't mind if you don't want to fight me solo. But I think it's not really good(but not bad, mind you) if you don't defend your cabal/reraid when you chances of dying are very low. But thing is that I calculate your risks better than you, because I know my abilities/preps/phylacteries and so on while you don't(I always take it into account when I think if you are just conservative #### or just overstimate my abilities to kill you. Both things quite different to me).

Example: It's dangerouse for thief to steal me up, because I can have phylactery to see hidden. But hey man, I know that I don't have it. Will I fault thief for not coming to me? Of course I won't, because he does not know if I have phylactery or no.

>Actually, I would view negatively someone who takes risks and
>fights Ahtieli solo, with no chance of killing Ahtieli, and
>then dies because he took that risk.
>All that guy did is feed Ahtieli a phylactery.

I've said it quite a bit of times. I don't applaud much to anyone who brainless comes to me with high chances to dying and with 0 chances to archive anything(reraid/raid or kill me or other imperial with me or because he can not throw away his role/cabal rp). But if someone knows about his risks, his chances but don't afraid to die for his ideals(role/cabal rp) it's cool. Unless he just keeps coming and coming again. Quite enough if this char shows me that 1 per char life.

So what I'm getting from your post, to boil it down, is that I annoyed you in two big ways - summoning your zombies and attacking the Vanquisher.

You say you didn't like it because I "didn't do anything to USE the advantage" and I can see where you'd think that. It's not correct, but I can see it.

Anytime I killed two or three of your zombies, I went looking for you. Sometimes I found you, sometimes not.

I've never avoided fighting you. I avoided fighting you+bigUnholyGzurweeg (the login you refer to, I think). I think if you look at the sum total of my logins, it's fairly rare that I logged out w/o the Orb. I don't know if this particular instance that you vividly remember had a good reason on my end - there were several times when I had to drop link/quit due to a crying 4 year old - this may not have been one of those times, I don't know. I can tell you it sure wasn't because I was afraid of dying to you.

As for my tactics, yeah, if they annoyed you, good. That was the intent. Not ooc annoyance, mind you, but IC? Hell yes.

Each time a zombie that I summoned died, it decreased the chances of an Imperial raid. Each time I left the Vanquisher convulsing, it decreased the chances of an Imperial raid.

The bottom line is, neither I, nor anyone else on CF, plays our character for YOUR enjoyment. This is why I do not post on a bunch of people's death threads about how I wish they'd do this or wouldn't do that. This is why I didn't get caught up in the Gzurweeg death thread about sportsmanship. Or any of that other crap.

In the end, you'll have your opinion, I'll have mine, and neither of us will budge.

Side note, how is it that you manage to degenerate nearly everyone's death thread recently into a flame war about YOUR playstyle? Are you trying to do so? Or is it just a hidden talent/side effect?

It's the grand art of hubris.

Sorry, but this response made me giggle.

G.

>So what I'm getting from your post, to boil it down, is that
>I annoyed you in two big ways - summoning your zombies and
>attacking the Vanquisher.

>You say you didn't like it because I "didn't do anything to
>USE the advantage" and I can see where you'd think that. It's
>not correct, but I can see it.

If you are killing zombies and then never come to fight and then just quit, I don't see how you use the advantage. May be you can explain me that?

You sure not the first who did so, but you first who a lot more often did not use advantage than anyone else.

>Anytime I killed two or three of your zombies, I went looking
>for you. Sometimes I found you, sometimes not.

1. Sometimes that was so. But quite often you did not. For me that "quite often" outwieghted "sometimes you came to fight".

2. I'm unsure how it was problem for you to find me, if you could just attack Vanquisher.

3. As I said 3-4 times already. I don't mind at all of situations where you went to fight me after killing zombies. But that was way too often when you "failed to find me".

4. Keep in mind you only killed zombies because I did not mind that much(did not want to bother with hiding them). But it sure limited things I could do in game(not pkilling or raiding) which made me spend time for nothing at all.


>I've never avoided fighting you.
Did I ever say you avoid fighting me?

>I avoided fighting
>you+bigUnholyGzurweeg (the login you refer to, I think). I
>think if you look at the sum total of my logins, it's fairly
>rare that I logged out w/o the Orb. I don't know if this
>particular instance that you vividly remember had a good
>reason on my end - there were several times when I had to drop
>link/quit due to a crying 4 year old - this may not have been
>one of those times, I don't know. I can tell you it sure
>wasn't because I was afraid of dying to you.

WTF is it all about? I did not say you avoided me, I don't think you avoided me, I don't care if you avoided me. But when we fought you were conservative.

>As for my tactics, yeah, if they annoyed you, good. That was
>the intent. Not ooc annoyance, mind you, but IC? Hell yes.

Okey, tell me with all honest did you enjoy wasting your time being rotted? I doubt, may be it did not piss you off as much as me, but I don't have much free time wasting it for nothing at all.

>Each time a zombie that I summoned died, it decreased the
>chances of an Imperial raid. Each time I left the Vanquisher
>convulsing, it decreased the chances of an Imperial raid.

I've said that non of these things actualy affected my want to raid you, I even explained in short why... You are saying - no, it affected it. Do you belive you know it better what affects MY desigion?

>The bottom line is, neither I, nor anyone else on CF, plays
>our character for YOUR enjoyment.

Then next time I piss off anyone of "you" in CF, don't come here or qhcf to blame me for that? Calling me or Dwoggurd as someone who made "douche move of year"? We ####ing don't play for YOUR enjoyment too.

>This is why I do not post on
>a bunch of people's death threads about how I wish they'd do
>this or wouldn't do that.
Only thing I've could said to people that I wish them follow their role, cf rules, cabal role. Did I ever say I want them do something else?

In your example I just gave my feeling on what you've done but you have ALL rights to do what you want.

>In the end, you'll have your opinion, I'll have mine, and
>neither of us will budge.


>Side note, how is it that you manage to degenerate nearly
>everyone's death thread recently into a flame war about YOUR
>playstyle? Are you trying to do so? Or is it just a hidden
>talent/side effect?
1. Mind give me links on all these "nearly everyone's"?

2. Tell me, why in all these threads after any single post about anything, same bitches bring in my personality in discussion? That's because they love me

3. I will tell you secret, each time after some bitch feast with US morons, I get a new wave of haters who tries to fight me

>>So what I'm getting from your post, to boil it down, is
>that
>>I annoyed you in two big ways - summoning your zombies and
>>attacking the Vanquisher.
>
>>You say you didn't like it because I "didn't do anything to
>>USE the advantage" and I can see where you'd think that.
>It's
>>not correct, but I can see it.
>
>If you are killing zombies and then never come to fight and
>then just quit, I don't see how you use the advantage. May be
>you can explain me that?

My explanation is you're assuming I didn't make some use of the advantage, and you're wrong. Even if my use was false security by thinking I was stopping you from raiding (or delaying you, or whatever), to me, I was making use of it.


>You sure not the first who did so, but you first who a lot
>more often did not use advantage than anyone else.
>
>>Anytime I killed two or three of your zombies, I went
>looking
>>for you. Sometimes I found you, sometimes not.
>
>1. Sometimes that was so. But quite often you did not. For me
>that "quite often" outwieghted "sometimes you came to fight".
>
>
>2. I'm unsure how it was problem for you to find me, if you
>could just attack Vanquisher.

That's just silly. I would go looking for you, trying to find you unprepped. With you fully prepped and ready to fight (which we did many, many times, btw), it usually ended up with you teleporting about half dead or me wording/teleporting while blind or cursed or both.

>>I've never avoided fighting you.
>Did I ever say you avoid fighting me?

You heavily implied it with your part about me just summoning zombies and then quitting after an hour.

>>I avoided fighting
>>you+bigUnholyGzurweeg (the login you refer to, I think). I
>>think if you look at the sum total of my logins, it's fairly
>>rare that I logged out w/o the Orb. I don't know if this
>>particular instance that you vividly remember had a good
>>reason on my end - there were several times when I had to
>drop
>>link/quit due to a crying 4 year old - this may not have
>been
>>one of those times, I don't know. I can tell you it sure
>>wasn't because I was afraid of dying to you.
>
>WTF is it all about? I did not say you avoided me, I don't
>think you avoided me, I don't care if you avoided me. But when
>we fought you were conservative.

This was also explaining the part where you said I logged out after only an hour. You need to realize that when you say things like that, it gives the impression that I quit out to avoid you, and that I did it all the time.


>>As for my tactics, yeah, if they annoyed you, good. That was
>>the intent. Not ooc annoyance, mind you, but IC? Hell yes.
>
>Okey, tell me with all honest did you enjoy wasting your time
>being rotted? I doubt, may be it did not piss you off as much
>as me, but I don't have much free time wasting it for nothing
>at all.

Didn't bother me that much. I just went to a city and tried to summon zombies.


>>Each time a zombie that I summoned died, it decreased the
>>chances of an Imperial raid. Each time I left the Vanquisher
>>convulsing, it decreased the chances of an Imperial raid.
>
>I've said that non of these things actualy affected my want to
>raid you, I even explained in short why... You are saying -
>no, it affected it. Do you belive you know it better what
>affects MY desigion?

I have no idea what you are thinking when you play, obviously. All I can do is go by the patterns I see: Lich+fullsuitofzombies+competantally=raid.

So if I slow down that full suit of zombies, I'm slowing down a potential raid. That's how I saw it. Might not be the actuality of the situation, but that's how I saw it with the information available to me.


>>The bottom line is, neither I, nor anyone else on CF, plays
>>our character for YOUR enjoyment.
>
>Then next time I piss off anyone of "you" in CF, don't come
>here or qhcf to blame me for that? Calling me or Dwoggurd as
>someone who made "douche move of year"? We ####ing don't play
>for YOUR enjoyment too.

I will point out that I've not commented on Dwoggurd's threads at all, regarding "douche moves" or sportsmanship or anything else. You play how you play, he plays how he plays, I play how I play, Isildur plays how he plays...etc. Unless it's cheating, I generally don't voice dissent on it on the forums. IC, I might try to get two enemies to have a distaste for each other, though.


>>This is why I do not post on
>>a bunch of people's death threads about how I wish they'd do
>>this or wouldn't do that.
>Only thing I've could said to people that I wish them follow
>their role, cf rules, cabal role. Did I ever say I want them
>do something else?

Actually yeah, right up above, you said you wanted me to do something else. Your comments don't say anything about not following my role, not following the rules, or not following the cabal role. You simply had issues with my tactics and/or interactions. *shrug*


>>Side note, how is it that you manage to degenerate nearly
>>everyone's death thread recently into a flame war about YOUR
>>playstyle? Are you trying to do so? Or is it just a hidden
>>talent/side effect?
>1. Mind give me links on all these "nearly everyone's"?

"Nearly everyone's (recently)" was an exaggeration. My apologies. The three I had in mind were Gzurweeg's, Macaca's, Bezzilan's to some extent (and this one, of course).

>2. Tell me, why in all these threads after any single post
>about anything, same bitches bring in my personality in
>discussion? That's because they love me

Could be.


>3. I will tell you secret, each time after some bitch feast
>with US morons, I get a new wave of haters who tries to fight
>me

This is the third post in the last week in which I've noticed you talking about "US this" or "American" that. Is it your "discipline" for those who talk about "dirty russians"? Just curious.

>My explanation is you're assuming I didn't make some use of
>the advantage, and you're wrong. Even if my use was false
>security by thinking I was stopping you from raiding (or
>delaying you, or whatever), to me, I was making use of it.

Okey it works for me. I suppose you somewhat better understand my reasoning of disliking this char of yours.

>You heavily implied it with your part about me just summoning
>zombies and then quitting after an hour.

Jeez, I'm not saying that in this situation you should have come for reraid. I donno why you are taking my words like that. I swear I did not want to say anything like this.

Even though beront managed to reraid in same situation more than few times with his paladin who had a lot less shinies and chances to survive.

>This was also explaining the part where you said I logged out
>after only an hour. You need to realize that when you say
>things like that, it gives the impression that I quit out to
>avoid you, and that I did it all the time.

It gave such impression only to you, I don't know why. But I'm sorry that YOU took my words that way.

>Didn't bother me that much. I just went to a city and tried to
>summon zombies.

bitch

>I have no idea what you are thinking when you play, obviously.
>All I can do is go by the patterns I see:
>Lich+fullsuitofzombies+competantally=raid.
>
>So if I slow down that full suit of zombies, I'm slowing down
>a potential raid. That's how I saw it. Might not be the
>actuality of the situation, but that's how I saw it with the
>information available to me.

See? You still saying "Might not be the actuality" while I said it WAS NOT that way for sure. At least you give me some credit.

Ahtieli: This thing is white.
Twist: I belive it's black though I've not seen it by my eyes.

Ahtieli: Nay, it's white for sure, I have it right near me.
Twist: Well, it's how I saw it. Might not be actualy black but that's how I saw it.

May be you just belive me? Like I belive in some of your answers? Otherwise speaking is pointless at all.

>I will point out that I've not commented on Dwoggurd's threads
>at all, regarding "douche moves" or sportsmanship or anything
>else. You play how you play, he plays how he plays, I play how
>I play, Isildur plays how he plays...etc. Unless it's
>cheating, I generally don't voice dissent on it on the forums.
>IC, I might try to get two enemies to have a distaste for each
>other, though.

I was not speaking about you personaly, that's why I've put "" before and after word YOU. If I write, I think Bob is "smart" person. Will you take it as Bob is smart person or no?

>Actually yeah, right up above, you said you wanted me to do
>something else. Your comments don't say anything about not
>following my role, not following the rules, or not following
>the cabal role. You simply had issues with my tactics and/or
>interactions. *shrug*

Okey, so any times I give you my take on situation it's me saying you what you should do. Ok, if you say so. But that's not so, I dont see how I can explain that.

I've question about your role though. Do you think it's perfectly total valid for maran captain to kill neutral mob in order to stop me from healing? What if it's good mob?


>This is the third post in the last week in which I've noticed
>you talking about "US this" or "American" that. Is it your
>"discipline" for those who talk about "dirty russians"? Just
>curious.

As I've heard it calls in your language: Taste your own medicine? or something like this.

>This is the third post in the last week in which I've noticed
>you talking about "US this" or "American" that. Is it your
>"discipline" for those who talk about "dirty russians"? Just
>curious.

As I've heard it calls in your language: Taste your own medicine? or something like this.

But seriously, you do realize now you're a giant hypocrite if you complain about people making "Russian" comments, right?

PS I hope you didn't know anyone in the nightclub fire. Tragic.

I have posted numerous compliments regarding your roleplay and sportsmanship in game. Ahtieli does take risks, and was a force.

That being said...

This is just my observation...so ignore as you will...

but...Ahtieli is going to be remembered as a douche char.

Why? Because of the OOC rants and posts on both websites.

Next time you create another impressive char follow these rules.

1) Write down on a piece of paper "I will not post on Dios or the CF board while playing an active player"

2)Tape the paper to the side of your monitor.

but keep in mind, I'm not a saint man, I was trying to avoid post but sooner or later my patience came to an end. Are you sure you would have done better at my place? If yes, you are cool.

I would have done worst. I would have had half the patience you showed.

I would also have deleted after 200 hours...

Like I said, I like the char and every interaction I have had over the span has been awesome. I just keep seeing the posts and cringe everytime.

It is a no win situation. The general mentality of most of our playerbase is negative attitude. In a perfect world we would respect each other a bit more.

>Then next time I piss off anyone of "you" in CF, don't come
>here or qhcf to blame me for that? Calling me or Dwoggurd as
>someone who made "douche move of year"? We ####ing don't play
>for YOUR enjoyment too.

I did that. Don't hang it on Twist.

Also: if you don't care what I think, then don't care what I think.

I don't know if in your languages "you" = you. But in mine it's not.

If you still don't understand. I put "you" because I was not speaking about Twist exactly.

We usually use the words them and they for that. So if you're trying to blame the entire playerbase for something, you could just start referring to us as "them" or "they."

"You" in the English language generally refers to one specific person. You (yes, I used the word correctly) accused me earlier of saying that I said you don't take risks, which I never did. But now I realize that you were referring to the general populace.

An example of this might be like something from the movie "Conspiracy Theory," where the guy has all these theories and finally hits one that happens to be true or near the truth. Then "they" start chasing after him. And everyone is in on it and working with "them."

Great movie by the way. Except Julia Roberts sucks. I can't think of one movie that she is actually a good actress.

That's it, though.

>Then next time I piss off anyone of "you" in CF, don't come
>here or qhcf to blame me for that? Calling me or Dwoggurd as
>someone who made "douche move of year"? We ####ing don't play
>for YOUR enjoyment too.

As stated above, Twist didn't say that Nep did and he claimed it so...

What you seem to fail to understand is the reason he caught #### for that particular douchebag move is because people expect better from him. There's a saying that goes something like, 'Only the strong can show mercy.' By his own and your own estimations of yourselves, you are the strong and woe to any who would say otherwise.

But only sad types feel the need to sac all of someone's ####, or to append all other notable players with their two cents concerning them, usually calling them wussies, to stroke off their own egos. Don't be a douche and people will be constructive, and tell you what they liked and disliked about your characters without it ever becoming personal. Someone else posted that you should learn to keep your thoughts to yourself as opposed to posting as a presently living character, and you'd be best served by heeding their advice.

Because while we're all supposed to separate in game from out of game, you've stained Ahtielli with the big asshole banner that makes me at least want to avoid interacting with you anymore than is necessary to insult you for digging your rotted decrepit nose into my character's business.

>But only sad types feel the need to sac all of someone's ####,
>or to append all other notable players with their two cents
>concerning them, usually calling them wussies, to stroke off
>their own egos.

Thing is that only sad types (like you) make a big deal of it.
Honestly, I apologize if I've killed you in a text game or found your characters completely boring to roleplay with, so I couldn't force myself into doing it.
People often go so far with generalization, that they lose an ability to think constructively. While I don't personally feel the need for full looting in 99% of cases, for those 2-3 full looting instances I pulled off in Gzurweeg's life I don't really feel guilty and given the same circumstances I probably will do it again.

>Don't be a douche and people will be
>constructive, and tell you what they liked and disliked about
>your characters without it ever becoming personal.

It will never happen. The more notable your character is the more personal insults you will eat (unless you are a pacifist herald... wait, even in that case too). It's part of human nature to be jealous. Even Nepenthe is jealous to every "strong" character and drop the #### on almost every of them despite of experiencing the whole deal as well with his personal characers in the past.
Only time cures it. All his powerhouses were ####stormed the same way people ####storm present powerhouses. Only when 5-10 years pass people start to tell how risky was Cabdru and how he killed groups of tens, or how outstanding was Istendil/Zors. But people forget that the same Cabdru was ####stromed so much that got his death thread removed. The same applies to Istendil/Zors. There were spots on those characters as well (as basically on all other characters) and people capitalize on them because they are simply jealous.
With my last char I got ####stormed long before I died or posted anything (prior to any fulls). In fact, the amount of #### flying to me from all direction was probably more than I tasted with all my past characters combined, though believe or not, it's the same player was playing them and with somewhat similar style (I know it better than anyone else).

>Someone else posted that you should learn to keep your thoughts to
>yourself as opposed to posting as a presently living
>character, and you'd be best served by heeding their advice.

That's actually the dumbest advice of the year.
Moreover, it's not possible to hide your identify if you're an ESL person who plays a single char for two years.
For example, with Gzurweeg people started to make correct guesses (hi jhyrb) in like a month after I rolled (despite of me being very careful about not revealing myself). And after that whether you confirm your identify on forums or not, people will threat you almost the same way anyway.
That's literally impossible for Ahtieli to hide his identify after playing for many months.


>Because while we're all supposed to separate in game from out
>of game, you've stained Ahtielli with the big asshole banner
>that makes me at least want to avoid interacting with you
>anymore than is necessary to insult you for digging your
>rotted decrepit nose into my character's business.

Five years later you will tell exactly opposite.
You will praise Ahtieli for being great roleplayer and classy PK killer while pouring #### on a freshly deleted powerhouse.

First I'd like to apologize to Dupmasione/Twist that somehow your death thread has become Ahtielli's in some people's eyes.

Dwoggurd, Joe, whatever you wanna call yourself, you're going to go blind flogging that dolphin like that. All powerhouses... stroke that ego much? You've never killed me. I've spent extensive time around you, and you couldn't RP your way through a wet paper bag. So... geez.

I'd agree that it probably is rough trying to keep your identity secret after 2 years of playing the same character. But letting it all hang out the way he has has only made him look like the dillweed some accuse him of being. Though again, like I said, I think the player is a douche, not necessarily the character, at least in his case.

In yours, there's no real difference between the two. Kid yourself and say there is, but you're only kidding yourself if you think that.

There are plenty of powerhouses (In your mind you were one at some point. But never got the recognition and accolades you deserved. Poor boy!) who had tons of respect from the get go while they were still playing and/or as soon as they died/deleted or just quit playing. You might have counted yourself among them if you didn't prove to be such a prick. It's possibly to acknowledge an enemy's toughness, strength, etc. without being a ####, but clearly in your eyes it's not. In your case, I'd agree that while I've complimented you on your logs if nothing else, as with Ahtielli it starts and stops there, because as a player you're just a jerk. A PK savvy jerk, but for someone who belittles the whole 'text based game' you certainly do pride yourself on your ability to play it. I'd say you base your sense of selfworth off of it, but you'd think that if that were the case you'd feel good enough about yourself already powerhouse that you believe yourself to be, to have given up the whole Grade A asshole gig you're tenaciously clinging to.

Someday perhaps?

>I've spent extensive time around you, and you couldn't RP your
>way through a wet paper bag. So... geez.

Your characters were so horrible and boring to roleplay with, I just could't bring myself in for your enjoyment. Sorry.

The rest of your post is nonsense whining and you've brought more of that stuff during the last week (in many threads) than Abernyte brought with all his deleted chars over several years.

Once you're done masturbating, reread this thread
Anonymity (c) Nepenthe

Nepenthe's, that is. Very down to earth response. And a very mature way to approach the game.

Not much gets by you without going through the filter of I see it like this and no one can change how I see it nananananananananananana huh?

The difference is, my character or characters are unknown to you, so you saying you couldn't bring yourself to RP for my enjoyment means nothing. Since you're so self-reliant, why does someone else have to bring out the RP in you though? I'm just curious.

If by whining you mean, calling a duck a duck when it waddles, quacks and ####s like a duck, guilty as charged. I understand your ego is delicate so you'd rather sidestep valid responses and stick to being a jerk, it's worked so well for you thus far.

Not sure what the whole Anonymity Nepenth reference is, if it's conjecture on your part, then you're just dumb.

I'd like to say that is uncharacteristic and a surprise, but I'd be telling fibs.

It's kind of ironic. I stated above that you caught grief for one of the things you did because people expected more from you. That's really a compliment if you pull your head out of your ass long enough to examine it. But I suppose either the language barrier or your own ego prevents you from recognizing such. Mores the pity.

who the #### are you? Except that this name written at pillar of ragers before I've started playing. So you seems to be quite anonymous ass for me. Could you be so kind to share any char names, since it would be cool to know where is this hate came from.

I don't hate you, or Dwoggard in fact. In your case I think you do your character a disservice by posting some of the things you do, and I have some 'are you serious?' issues with someone who can't be slept, blinded, deafened, etc. thinking those who still have all of those vulnerabilities are wimps for not throwing caution to the wind more in facing him. That's really about it.

In Dwogg's case, it's obviously more a matter of ego. His characters are uniformly him in a incert class/race/cabal suit. And even then, in all honesty I think my characters are a lot like that too. The key difference is that I don't run around telling people they're wimps for not playing in such a way as to make them easy meat for me. Likewise, I can admit when I screw up. Dwog doesn't seem to be able to do something as simple as say I made a mistake, it happens sometimes, my apologies.

So beyond a certain point it gets hard to sit by and just occasionally peruse the battlefield and then go do something else. Perhaps that's a failing of mine in turn, but I'll be the first to admit I'm a work in progress. The two of you strike me as painfully insecure, mostly because everything equates to they hate me or they should love me because I'm awesome! Which if it were tongue in cheek, ie. you're kidding, would be really funny and possibly even endearing, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Everyone's here just to have fun, when you critique people, generally with a whole lot of a-hole slipping through, (again, more Dwogg than you)that's fine, but when the opposite happens you don't see quid pro quo, ie. I get what I give, you see everyone as haters who are jealous cause you're so awesome. It's just a little too much to bear in the realm of BS.

So it becomes worthwhile to corner either of you with simple common sense and watch the results.

so I won't bother reading your posts, untill you answer it.

You say that like you have a choice. I'd expect it's a lot like Pavlov's dog and so forth. A post in response to yours or naming you causes uncontrollable drooling, or reading in your case. Whereas with the dog it's an expectation/association thing, with you it's an ego thing. Same general effect however.

Peace!

Do yourself a favor and pay a little more attention to the content of his posts rather than whether he has a noteable (or infamous) handle that seems to be the measure of e-status these days.

His posts happen to have a little bit of that "common sense" seasoning that your attention-starved buddy Dwoggurd is craving.

You might pick up a couple of things as well.

Then again, the two of you seem to be running around posting emotionless slander about characters (including the character in this thread) based purely on analytical facts and logic that is rather rare on to find from the other 98.5% of the playerbase.

(note - heed the sarcasm)

>>Do yourself a favor and pay a little more attention to the content >>of his posts rather than whether he has a noteable (or infamous) >>handle that seems to be the measure of e-status these days.

I want to know who I speak with for some reasons, so I ask him. It's up to him if he wants answer me or no. It's not YOUR busness at all, unless he is your ooc friend.

>>His posts happen to have a little bit of that "common sense"
>>seasoning that your attention-starved buddy Dwoggurd is craving.

It's up to me if I want to read his posts or no. It's not YOUR busness what I read.

Adding in Dwoggurd is probably just to show how much you dislike him.

>>You might pick up a couple of things as well.

May be, but still it'a not YOUR busness.

Do yourself a favor too, please.

1. When you step into any discussion, think if you have something to say about subj or no.

2. If you post something try to make it somewhat related to topic rather just show that you don't like me. Your post sure has nothing to do with my questions to player to provide me with some identify. I'm wonder why you've stepped into it at all, given that I've never posted to you anything or in topic with you. Did I pwn you in game or pissed you off somehow else?

3. Don't tell another mature person what and how he has to do in his life. While Twist said it's not cool to say what he should do in game.. and I agree with him. It double stupid to tell me what I should read and how I should read.

4. As immortal you should follow these steps twice as hard as anyone else.

>>>Do yourself a favor and pay a little more attention to the
>content >>of his posts rather than whether he has a noteable
> or infamous) >>handle that seems to be the measure of
>e-status these days.

>I want to know who I speak with for some reasons, so I ask
>him. It's up to him if he wants answer me or no. It's not YOUR
>busness at all, unless he is your ooc friend.

You know who you're speaking with, Hyshrawr I did add a Name didn't I? Who I've played bears no relevance to what I'm saying. If you have a boner to know who I've played try using the search function on this site. If that aspect of things were important, then you'd fall under the category of I've only ever seen Ahtielli a so so lich, so why bother reading anything you write. But that's really irrelevant to the discussion...

>>>His posts happen to have a little bit of that "common sense"
>>>seasoning that your attention-starved buddy Dwoggurd is
>craving.

>It's up to me if I want to read his posts or no. It's not YOUR
> busness what I read.

This is very true, you don't have to read anything you don't want to, however he was simply trying to say there might be something of use somewhere in all my blabbering.

>Adding in Dwoggurd is probably just to show how much you
>dislike him.

It's far more likely that he included Dwoggard because I included him in the majority of the posts I made so he was trying to include those involved rather than acting as if everything I said was aimed at you.

>>>You might pick up a couple of things as well.
>May be, but still it'a not YOUR busness.

Again, he was just trying to be constructive and help a little. You can't see that for some reason.

>Do yourself a favor too, please.
>1. When you step into any discussion, think if you have
>something to say about subj or no.

He did say something, you're just too stupid to catch on to what was said.

>2. If you post something try to make it somewhat related to
>topic rather just show that you don't like me. Your post sure
>has nothing to do with my questions to player to provide me
>with some identify. I'm wonder why you've stepped into it at
>all, given that I've never posted to you anything or in topic
>with you. Did I pwn you in game or pissed you off somehow
>else?

The whole did I pwn you in game or pissed you off somehow, is just the sort of egocentric idiocy that supports the validity of my posts. Yes anyone who tries to say something to you clearly hates you and got pwned by you, because you live in a vacuum where you pwn or people idolize you. That stuff kills brain cells and stunts your growth.

>3. Don't tell another mature person what and how he has to do
>in his life. While Twist said it's not cool to say what he
>should do in game.. and I agree with him. It double stupid to
>tell me what I should read and how I should read.

Prove that you're mature. All he said is a little common sense can come from anyone, if you don't think it can then you're limiting yourself. Suggesting, and that's all he did, he didn't tell you to do ####, that you might benefit from less defensive reading and so forth isn't a bad thing. For all you know, the only thing he might have been suggesting you pay attention to, is that for others to expect Dwoggard and possibly even you, of better things, is a compliment not an infringement upon you're uberer than thou douchebag attitudes.

>4. As immortal you should follow these steps twice as hard as
>anyone else.

As an Imm he's trying to be helpful. But you've proven that like an abused dog, he and others can expect you to snap at even helpful suggestions at times.

Yes he took a slight dig, via sarcasm, however it's nothing less than the truth, so you can't really fault him for that. The truth is what it is. Love it or hate it, it's still the truth.

What I find rather amusing is how that sprinkle of common sense seasoning that you've been missing in your life can't help you deduce how anything on a public forum is far from 'private business.'

When you put your stupidity out there on a public message board, expect criticism to hit you square in the face. Even when you're ignorant enough to keep running headlong into it.

You want to know who you speak with? Right. Next time let's have him post his name, number, street address and email so you can really get to know him (note - that's sarcasm).

Maybe just using the PM feature on these boards would suffice, Einstein.

Do yourself a favor too, please.

1. When you step into any discussion, think if you have something to say about subj or no.

- I found this absolutely hilarious coming from you.

2. If you post something try to make it somewhat related to topic rather just show that you don't like me. Your post sure has nothing to do with my questions to player to provide me with some identify. I'm wonder why you've stepped into it at all, given that I've never posted to you anything or in topic with you. Did I pwn you in game or pissed you off somehow else?

- I'm posting because I'm rather disgusted with you and Dwoggurd's childish attempts at e-thuggery on these message boards. A more appropriate means for me to handle this is by having your threads deleted or banning you entirely. You can spin that into a lame conspiracy theory "I beat one of his characters," however you'd like to.

3. Don't tell another mature person what and how he has to do in his life. While Twist said it's not cool to say what he should do in game.. and I agree with him. It double stupid to tell me what I should read and how I should read.

- Read my retort to point #2. You don't fit this category you're defining in point #3.

4. As immortal you should follow these steps twice as hard as anyone else.

- As a player you should take ten minutes and write a set of rules for yourself that would help you follow a well-defined, online etiquette that you seem to be lacking. It's rather obvious that our forum rules are being ignored.

As a person, if something doesn't apply, you should consider not taking offense to it. Taking into account the consensus I'm getting from players and immortals alike, I highly doubt this does not apply to you.

>What I find rather amusing is how that sprinkle of common
>sense seasoning that you've been missing in your life can't
>help you deduce how anything on a public forum is far from
>'private business.'

Personal insults sure a good thing to do as imm, since you can ban(or ask other imms) me when I give you proper answer you deserved.

>When you put your stupidity out there on a public message
>board, expect criticism to hit you square in the face. Even
>when you're ignorant enough to keep running headlong into it.

So asking him what characters who played is stupidity?

>You want to know who you speak with? Right. Next time let's
>have him post his name, number, street address and email so
>you can really get to know him (note - that's sarcasm).

Yes I want. People don't like anonymouse posts, get a clue why. While some people may know something about his nick name, I don't. So he is quite anonymouse for me. That's why I ask. What's your problem with this?

>Maybe just using the PM feature on these boards would suffice,
>Einstein.

I will decide on my own what I want use.

>- I found this absolutely hilarious coming from you.

While I'm not imm I can be stupid ass douche. You can not.

>- I'm posting because I'm rather disgusted with you and
>Dwoggurd's childish attempts at e-thuggery on these message
>boards. A more appropriate means for me to handle this is by
>having your threads deleted or banning you entirely. You can
>spin that into a lame conspiracy theory "I beat one of his
>characters," however you'd like to.

Your attepmts are actualy childish, because I just asked him what he is playing. You came here to show me how much you disgusted.

>- Read my retort to point #2. You don't fit this category
>you're defining in point #3.

While I'm not imm I can be stupid ass douche. You can not.

>- As a player you should take ten minutes and write a set
>of rules for yourself that would help you follow a
>well-defined, online etiquette that you seem to be lacking.
>It's rather obvious that our forum rules are being ignored.

As player I do what I want untill I get banned for breaking rules if I break them. And I follow forum rules more than most my haters in this thread.

Freaking fantastic ranger and leader of Sylvan. Hyshrawr was also a smooth battle assassin.

I'm sure opinions may vary as to my measuring up to anyone's standards. Since standards vary as well, but I appreciate the kind words and vote of confidence.

I have been lots of characters like tons of other people have been, some relatively successful some not quite so much. I play to have fun and hopefully hit my stride with any given character. Sometimes I hit, lots of times I miss. Such is life, but it's sure fun when you hit it!

All that being said, it's usually best to judge the value of something said based on what is said, as opposed to who said it. A total newb to mudding in general or CF specifically might have insight or a perspective that could greatly benefit you and your enjoyment/appreciation of the game. Ignore them based on their anonymity, at your own peril.

That being said, I suspect you'll base your opinion on my PK ratio. Jugynheim died at most, twice in his life. But got a hardy helping of multi-death (which was par for the course when Hero-imming back in the day) from every Imm and hero imm then in existence. For my part, he was a success for a host of reasons, pk ratio wasn't paramount on my list.

Dang, Interacted with you with so many of my touretts characters, I was with you very early in the Spiderhaunt woods ranking, and I remember you and Llobe so early in this Char's life, now I finally hit my stride with a Squire and you have to die. He only got to see you in passing last night.... ARGH!!!!!!!!!!

Great char man, you gave me something to shoot for.

GLWYN.

Ok, that took a damn long time to age die. Phew.

It was a great ride. Started to drag toward the end.

A big thanks to everyone. There were so many, for so many hours.

This was actually my second elf paladin in a row. First one was Faldrong, who got to level 21ish, couldn't get empowerment (didn't try THAT hard, only a week), was a monk but tanked way better with sword/shield, and had mediocre RP (me trying to play a stick-up-his-butt prim and proper elf). So I said screw that. I'm going to play a frisky elf shield pal that follow Iunna because she might dig the whole sexual innuendo RP.

I'm not even going to TRY to remember everyone. I'm doing this off-the-cuff so it's going to be people I remember. Sorry to those who I don't mention.

Iunna: Thanks for everything. I don't just mean the stuff like empowerment, virtues, tattoo. I mean the RP, the encouragement, the little things like the hugs (or trying to whack me over the head all the time).

Ilobe: You really made this char step up from a one-dimensional eternally horny elf to a responsible Captain-type-guy. I didn't plan the role out to "settle down" but after leveling with you from like 30 on up, and our times coinciding so well...it just was impossible not to have things come out how they did, it seems. You played such a HUGE role that, despite the fact that you deleted such a long time ago, I felt I really needed to include you here.

Lornis: The polar opposite of the spectrum from Ilobe - my arch-nemesis. I think I commented on your own thread, but I really meant it when I said you were my "favorite" enemy (in whatever way I spun that into IC context - I don't remember anymore).

Fort:
Lornkanamas: You saved my hash more times than I can think of. And we had a great time getting into trouble together. That round against Tiamat was hilarious.

Kearina: Thanks for the great parting gift. It was fun running with you.

Ilrek: Good luck as Marshall, keep kicking evil ass.

Tangni: Good luck, keep kicking evil ass.

New blood squires/scribes - go get'm!

Baerinika: Thanks for the shot at Maran and at Captain.

Padwei: Thanks for the wedding ring(s) and the encouraging chats.


Enemies:
There were a lot of you folks, and I'm not even going to try for all of you. A select few come to mind.

Ahtieli: Again, very surprising. And very nice. Good sportsmanship.
Kalisda: Interesting talks, interesting char. Good luck.
Glurgick: Keep truckin' (and hitting like a mack truck) as Emperor!

Ok, I know there's a lot of people I should've touched on, but didn't. I need to wrap it up for now though. Thanks again to everyone.

..by the gear, just kidding.

Great job.

ntnt

but I was already subverting my principles by not being mean to you otherwise. Good character, thought they way you were always very proper with the ladies was pretty funny. Good char, it's always nice to know I am hanging out with the imms when I don't even know it.

Figured this was you, glad I was right, I don't like the thought of too many people who are just that good around!

I know after a while Bezzilan wore on your nerves, and for that I'm sorry, though it was part of the character. He wouldn't back away from trying to preach the peach path any more than you or anyone else would back off from their own paths. I do hope the times we spent together or chatting had at least some fun and/or interest for you. I certainly did.

Well done, as usual.

Hell, Bezzilan was annoying from day one. The first time I offered to cleanse your gear and your response, I was like "all right, screw off then."

But IC, Dupmasione couldn't be terribly annoyed with this guy who just wanted to live his life and try to get people to stop killing each other, so I gritted my teeth and helped you out sometimes.

You were one of my favorite characters that I've interacted with on any mud. We some great battles and some hilarious exchanges about life, women, and such. Good show, as always.

-Rhyaldrin

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So, I gotta say, I'm genuinely surprised.

Mostly because of that gay-ass session you had with Ilobe up in the Jade Mountains. Yes. I was there camo for most of it with a snare right next to you, hoping Ilobe would let sanc/shield drop then you'd walk the both of you into it.

Also can't believe the ridiculously bad luck I had with teleport potions around you. From Veran to Arkham Harbor, then from Voralian City to....Voralian City. Woe was Sulye.

I was snooping Sulye during that whole thing, and I have to say I
a) was disappointed you didn't get your moment to attack, and
b) found your reactions and talk over cb regarding the situation to
be hilarious.