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#76778, "Proleteria deleted."
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Fun way through the character, enjoyed writing the roles, enjoyed all the fun interactions I had with other peoples(Zizzle, you were outstanding. Urgok, you were lulzworthy.)
I was turned evil for fighting one of Baer's Paladins. Lost the singing ability. Got killed a few times while I wasn't able to sing, and didn't seem to get any possible attention regarding getting the voice back. Being as a bard who can't sing is a shifter who can't shift, I just went ahead and deleted after a battlerager stole mah' fiddle(#### off, Grawshen).
Meh.
Either way, very fun.
People who made the game worth playing: Zizzle, Iktul, Urgok, Woldrun, and a few others.
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Jesus, man...,
Java,
09-Feb-09 06:52 PM, #13
I know a troll when I see one.,
Batmanteria (Guest),
09-Feb-09 07:15 PM, #15
Not a troll..,
Java,
09-Feb-09 07:38 PM, #20
That's the reason I play CF. Read the roles on any of m...,
Batmanteri (Guest),
10-Feb-09 08:41 AM, #37
If you're going to spend that much time on a character....,
Java,
10-Feb-09 05:18 PM, #47
RE: Jesus, man...,
Dervish,
09-Feb-09 07:17 PM, #16
Proletariat is basically another word for the lower cla...,
Java,
09-Feb-09 07:35 PM, #19
hehe,
Elhe (Guest),
09-Feb-09 08:07 PM, #24
If I had to guess.. sometime in the 18th century? nt,
Java,
09-Feb-09 10:48 PM, #30
RE: If I had to guess.. sometime in the 18th century?,
Elhe (Guest),
09-Feb-09 10:55 PM, #31
It's the definition, man..,
Java,
09-Feb-09 11:01 PM, #32
Are you telling me,
Elhe (Guest),
09-Feb-09 11:05 PM, #33
I'm confused. My Engrish is rusty. nt,
Java,
09-Feb-09 11:07 PM, #34
It's not English, it's history:) nt,
Alex (Guest),
10-Feb-09 01:41 AM, #35
I doubt that he knows any history beside,
Beront (Guest),
10-Feb-09 09:35 AM, #38
I have.,
Java,
10-Feb-09 05:15 PM, #46
RE: I have.,
Java is Right (Guest),
10-Feb-09 06:56 PM, #53
Working class != lower class.. nt,
Marcus_,
11-Feb-09 03:34 AM, #56
We're talking about the English language here..,
Java,
11-Feb-09 10:24 PM, #67
RE: We're talking about the English language here..,
Marcus_,
12-Feb-09 04:08 AM, #68
RE: We're talking about the English language here..,
Isildur,
12-Feb-09 10:10 AM, #69
Relax,
Enbuergo2 (Guest),
09-Feb-09 08:12 PM, #25
That wasn't Java. n/t,
Peanut Gallery (Guest),
09-Feb-09 08:48 PM, #26
I've played 2 Captains over the past year.. but that wa...,
Java,
09-Feb-09 10:44 PM, #28
RE: I've played 2 Captains over the past year.. but tha...,
Java,
09-Feb-09 10:46 PM, #29
Your name sucked nt,
lurker,
09-Feb-09 02:52 PM, #8
So did your mom.,
Prolebatmania (Guest),
09-Feb-09 03:00 PM, #9
Wow a mom joke,
lurker,
09-Feb-09 04:21 PM, #10
Crap... I don't get it. nt,
Stunna1 (Guest),
11-Feb-09 09:59 PM, #65
You wouldn't,
lurker,
12-Feb-09 04:33 PM, #71
Once incident does not get anyone turned evil,
Baerinika,
09-Feb-09 10:39 AM, #1
Ceyraia consistently hunted me for being neutral. She w...,
Batman (Anonymous),
09-Feb-09 10:59 AM, #2
To be all honest,
Elhe (Guest),
09-Feb-09 11:28 AM, #3
It's all in the name... commies are evil. nt,
Marcus_,
09-Feb-09 11:32 AM, #4
*cue the music*,
Mek (Guest),
09-Feb-09 11:57 AM, #5
Oh god. I just got stared at for lolling in my cubicle....,
Batmanteria (Guest),
09-Feb-09 01:26 PM, #6
I think more goodies should be hunting the crap out of ...,
Random Person (Guest),
09-Feb-09 02:04 PM, #7
Very nice thoughts. Now try to act like this ingame. nt,
Dervish,
09-Feb-09 07:28 PM, #18
Eh..,
Java,
09-Feb-09 07:43 PM, #22
I asked you many times to stop killing elves,
Ceyraia (Guest),
09-Feb-09 04:25 PM, #11
Ahahahaha, perfect RP LINE! LIKE....,
Beront (Guest),
10-Feb-09 09:42 AM, #39
Oh beront.,
Ceyraia (Guest),
10-Feb-09 10:16 AM, #40
RE: Ceyraia consistently hunted me for being neutral. S...,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-09 06:37 PM, #12
An Imm comment...Gasp, I can't argue with it!,
Prolibatmanian (Guest),
09-Feb-09 07:13 PM, #14
It has reminded me...,
Dervish,
09-Feb-09 07:23 PM, #17
Maran don't attack goodies.,
Java,
09-Feb-09 07:39 PM, #21
I don't think there is such rule,
Elhe (Guest),
09-Feb-09 08:03 PM, #23
RE: Maran don't attack goodies.,
Daevryn,
09-Feb-09 08:55 PM, #27
Just out of curiousity,
Dervish1 (Guest),
10-Feb-09 02:56 PM, #41
Word out n/t,
Elhe (Guest),
10-Feb-09 03:12 PM, #42
Agreed 100% nt,
Baerinika,
10-Feb-09 03:48 PM, #43
Eh. Even I don't go that far. txt,
Isildur,
10-Feb-09 06:45 PM, #51
The real question is ...,
Balrahd. (Guest),
10-Feb-09 04:05 PM, #44
RE: The real question is ...,
Baerinika,
10-Feb-09 04:23 PM, #45
Also, re: justifications,
Straklaw,
10-Feb-09 05:55 PM, #49
Justifications and "watching" good aligns,
Balrahd. (Guest),
10-Feb-09 06:27 PM, #50
I actually agree with you..,
Java,
10-Feb-09 07:05 PM, #54
I'm sorry, but i have to ask something.,
Minyar1 (Guest),
11-Feb-09 10:44 AM, #57
RE: I'm sorry, but i have to ask something.,
Isildur,
11-Feb-09 11:19 AM, #58
Now, now, Issy.,
Forsaken (Guest),
11-Feb-09 02:16 PM, #59
The CF world,
Minyar1 (Guest),
11-Feb-09 05:00 PM, #61
Did you just Godwin a deletion thread? (n/t),
Twist,
11-Feb-09 04:05 PM, #60
Not really sure what you mean. nt,
Minyar1 (Guest),
11-Feb-09 05:01 PM, #62
Godwin. Nazi references?,
Twist,
11-Feb-09 05:29 PM, #63
I had no idea....I think my point was valid though. nt,
Minyar1 (Guest),
11-Feb-09 07:24 PM, #64
That's why I specified the Civil War..,
Java,
11-Feb-09 10:21 PM, #66
Nazi manipulation of minds was a gradual process.,
DurNominator,
12-Feb-09 02:51 PM, #70
I also agree with this.,
Graatchman (Guest),
10-Feb-09 07:17 PM, #55
The way I look at stuff like that...,
Java,
10-Feb-09 05:22 PM, #48
RE: The way I look at stuff like that...,
Isildur,
10-Feb-09 06:47 PM, #52
Wow. Way to overreact. nt,
Nivek1,
10-Feb-09 06:37 AM, #36
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Java | Mon 09-Feb-09 06:52 PM |
Member since 07th Apr 2003
1055 posts
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#76798, "Jesus, man..."
In response to Reply #0
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I really wish you would grow up. It's bound to happen some day, I just wish it would happen sooner.
I've played a lot of Baer followers. I killed a lot of people. I full looted exactly zero of them. I died a lot, and was full looted a lot. Exactly zero of my enemies got nerfed because they beat me. I'm pretty sure other people can corroborate that, if you really need it.
I've interacted with several of your characters. Your roleplay typically sucks. You don't play the game well. You got nerfed because you made in-game decisions that you hoped would not have in-game consequences. You were wrong, and instead of paying the price, you deleted.
Oh yeah, and your name alone made it painfully obvious to everyone that you weren't serious about the character. If you're not serious about it, why do you think any of the Imms would go out of their way to help you out?
If you want Imms or players to treat you well, at least make the effort to pretend like your character will be more than a short-lived nuisance.
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#76800, "I know a troll when I see one."
In response to Reply #13
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I like a few of your characters. They're nicely done. Really, some of yours have been pretty cool.
And the name, like I said, was a random. Oh well.
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#76843, "That's the reason I play CF. Read the roles on any of m..."
In response to Reply #20
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Please, go ahead. I'll post them or email them to you if you need. I spent a lot of time on Proleteria.
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#76809, "hehe"
In response to Reply #19
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since when proletariat is lower class?
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Java | Mon 09-Feb-09 10:48 PM |
Member since 07th Apr 2003
1055 posts
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#76817, "If I had to guess.. sometime in the 18th century? nt"
In response to Reply #24
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#76818, "RE: If I had to guess.. sometime in the 18th century?"
In response to Reply #30
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this word came out a bit later. However I was just wondering what makes them lower class in your opinion
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Java | Mon 09-Feb-09 11:01 PM |
Member since 07th Apr 2003
1055 posts
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#76819, "It's the definition, man.."
In response to Reply #31
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#76820, "Are you telling me"
In response to Reply #32
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what does word proletariat mean?! C'MON!
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#76825, "It's not English, it's history:) nt"
In response to Reply #34
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#76846, "I doubt that he knows any history beside"
In response to Reply #35
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the Spiderman history comics!
As I told you long time ago, read some history/math/physic books Java, seriosly.
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#76873, "RE: I have."
In response to Reply #46
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I can't speak for the Russians, but in terms of the English language, history and culture, Java is 100% correct on this one.
Now are you guys just trying to be difficult or does it have a completely different meaning in Russky?
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Marcus_ | Wed 11-Feb-09 03:34 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
681 posts
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#76887, "Working class != lower class.. nt"
In response to Reply #53
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#76810, "Relax"
In response to Reply #13
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>Mon Dec 8 15:35:19 2008 by 'Lyristeon' at level 51 (229 hrs): Ilvakihj: You know... I think there should be a tournament hosted on who is avoided the most in Thera... I guarantee you I rank just under the Liches... my enemies will just not even give me a chance at a clean f
>Mon Dec 8 15:38:53 2008 by 'Lyristeon' at level 51 (229 hrs): (cont.) me a chance at a clean fight. Umm...you have 72 deaths and you are murdered by the self-reliant. Maybe they just are tired of picking on you.
It's clear at this point you're just out of sync with reality.
The Java the RP counsellor thing is a bit weak. While your RP is solid, it tends to be marked by petulant dikkishness. Regarding the whole "you don't play the game well" criticisms. . . I'd live and let live if I were you.
Lighten up. You'll have more fun.
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#76811, "That wasn't Java. n/t"
In response to Reply #25
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lurker | Mon 09-Feb-09 02:52 PM |
Member since 13th Mar 2006
249 posts
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#76787, "Your name sucked nt"
In response to Reply #0
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#76789, "So did your mom."
In response to Reply #8
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Yeah, she did.
I got it off of the name randomizer.
Made me lol.
So I used it.
Just like your mom.
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lurker | Mon 09-Feb-09 04:21 PM |
Member since 13th Mar 2006
249 posts
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#76791, "Wow a mom joke"
In response to Reply #9
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Great job. Your originality with names and humor is legendary.
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#76933, "Crap... I don't get it. nt"
In response to Reply #10
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lurker | Thu 12-Feb-09 04:33 PM |
Member since 13th Mar 2006
249 posts
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#76953, "You wouldn't"
In response to Reply #65
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#76781, "Ceyraia consistently hunted me for being neutral. She w..."
In response to Reply #1
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All I learned about you on this character, from over 15 other players, is to avoid you. My favorite quote : "Just run from Baer's followers. If you lose, they'll loot you anyway. If you win, she'll ruin your time with the game".
And I can see how. I had been attacked by numerous elves even when I was without a group--Of course Proleteria adopts the mind-set of not liking Elves. Then, to top it off, an Elf takes her voice. That's reason for a genocide, there. And that's where I was heading for. Seems fine to me. When goods are constantly attacking me, and evils area actually and constantly helping me--I could take a wild guess on which way ANYONE would lean.
I was playing an uncaballed neutral/neutral. It wasn't about good/evil at all. It was about a drunk girl who tumbles into misfortunes, so she latches on to any kind of luck she gets. Oh well. I mean, sure, you ruined my time with it and left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm going to take the advice I was given.
Flat out run from Baer' followers.
No harsh feelings though, Baer. You're an Imm, and I respect the position. Just not you.
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#76782, "To be all honest"
In response to Reply #2
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As player who pkilled, looted and even full looted more Baer's followers than anyone else (Do I? ). I've never got my expirience ruined by her. Unless you will count some interesting imm comments in pbfs or ignoring my sad ass most of the time
So it must be something else.
Also keep in mind that turning into evil was ALWAYS more easy to archive than any other align change. I don't think that it's fair but that's how it is.
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Marcus_ | Mon 09-Feb-09 11:32 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
681 posts
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#76783, "It's all in the name... commies are evil. nt"
In response to Reply #2
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#76784, "*cue the music*"
In response to Reply #2
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"Why is she running, dad?"
..."Because we have to chase her."
"She didn't do anything wrong."
"Because she's the hero Galadon deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt her, because she can take it. Because she's not a hero. She's a silent guardian...a watchful protector...a neutral bard."
heh
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#76785, "Oh god. I just got stared at for lolling in my cubicle...."
In response to Reply #5
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Funniest #### I've read all day.
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#76786, "I think more goodies should be hunting the crap out of ..."
In response to Reply #2
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The second a goodie sees you butchering storm giants in Kiadana or massacring elven children in the Vale, its not as if he or she can just ignore it and a week later ask you to group.
The second a goodie catches you in a bad situation, where you gang down a goodie or kill goodie NPCs, oftentimes ONLY acceptable course of action would be to declare you evil and get all his allies to hunt you down and kill you - only a really unrealistically played goodie would be tell you
"Oh, you killed all the kids in the orphanage? Thats okay, they probably deserved it anyway, why don't you repent your evil ways and join us?"
"Oh, you slew my blood brother, sworn to defend the Light? Don't worry about it, your soul can still be saved."
The second a goodie sees you kill another goodie, NPC or PC, your ass should be pinned to the wall by the entire good-aligned community.
Count yourself lucky that only Ceyraia was hunting you consistently.
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Dervish | Mon 09-Feb-09 07:28 PM |
Member since 11th Oct 2003
617 posts
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#76803, "Very nice thoughts. Now try to act like this ingame. nt"
In response to Reply #7
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#76792, "I asked you many times to stop killing elves"
In response to Reply #2
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And stop assisting defilers. Even when you were not in range. I killed you for being with defilers when you got into range. And until hero, you always were with defilers and evil. You had no intentions of being anything else but a defiler yourself.
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#76847, "Ahahahaha, perfect RP LINE! LIKE...."
In response to Reply #11
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He was using potions all the time, I killed him (c) villager
He was grouping with mages, I killed him (c) villager
He was travelling with darkwalkers, I killed him (c) maran
He was breaking the balance, I killed him (c) nexun
I think I just got a green card from imms to follow that rp line. Thanks.
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#76849, "Oh beront."
In response to Reply #39
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You dont even understand. This has been an ongoing tussle since the 30's. And in the end, my actions were correct. This bard was evil.
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Daevryn | Mon 09-Feb-09 06:37 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#76797, "RE: Ceyraia consistently hunted me for being neutral. S..."
In response to Reply #2
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>That's reason for a genocide, there. And >that's where I was heading for. Seems fine to me.
Oh, sure. It's very RP justifiable.
But... it's also evil.
Reading a rant like this about an alignment change -- a character I've never seen -- but that is completely justifiable from your own words in this thread reminds me why I don't log on a whole lot anymore.
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#76799, "An Imm comment...Gasp, I can't argue with it!"
In response to Reply #12
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No, I appreciate that you even commented. I'd agree, the whole 'kill da elfies' is evil, yeah. It was a built up taste from being hunted by them for so long. I'm not going to go Fortress/Outie hugging after they rape me continuously.
L2log
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#76808, "I don't think there is such rule"
In response to Reply #21
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There are instances were you have to hurt goodies.
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Daevryn | Mon 09-Feb-09 08:55 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
11117 posts
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#76812, "RE: Maran don't attack goodies."
In response to Reply #21
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I pretty much agree with this, and consider it to be one of the major drawbacks of being Fortress.
(Note: I consider, say, attacking another good character to wake them up or the like to not be a violation of this, but a really hardline Maran could make an argument for not even doing that.)
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#76853, "Just out of curiousity"
In response to Reply #21
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What should Maran CG conjurer do if he attacked by elf villager/elf trib (being wanted)/elf outlander?
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#76855, "Word out n/t"
In response to Reply #41
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#76859, "The real question is ..."
In response to Reply #41
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Why doesn't the elf villager/trib/outlander suffer alignment change reprecussions for attacking the Maran CG conjurer?
Way back when I played a (wanted) CG maran shaman, I remember a Tribbie paladin came into Shokai's shrine to attack me while I was showing off some of my elite RP with a low level pre-empowerment guy. I pleaded with Shokai to turn the tribbie neutral or at least let me lay down some punishment for violating his shrine, but he wouldn't pull the trigger.
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Straklaw | Tue 10-Feb-09 05:55 PM |
Member since 10th Mar 2003
1014 posts
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#76868, "Also, re: justifications"
In response to Reply #45
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Random elf villager or elf outlander's role, and roleplay are magic bad, conjie bad, etc...and they're in a cabal that agrees with them, so everything meshes.
CG elf Maran has the roleplay of evil = bad, and is in a cabal that's philosophy of evil = bad, protect good. It doesn't really mesh with that roleplay, when you're hurting the goodie, even if you think them misguided. Standard CG elf probably wouldn't have that same stigma where they should run away from that nessecarily, since they're not in a cabal that says it's bad. Honestly, what's the worst that usually happens to such CG Maran elf conjurers? They get removed from maran.
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#76870, "Justifications and "watching" good aligns"
In response to Reply #49
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Well, I was thinking of a Gameplay thread from what I thought was a few months ago (but turns out it was from 2006!..!! Jeez how time flies. Ever since I turned 30, my memory has been shot with regard to relative time periods. Jeez.) Anyway, this thread:
Aarn says the following, and the other IMMs (Kasty, Nep) essentially sign on:
Aarn Quote: "I think we as a staff tend to be too lenient on goodies killing goodies if it fits within their cabal dogma. Battle, Tribunal and Outlander are particularly susceptible to this. If you're a goodie Outlander that makes a living out of slaughtering paladins, you should expect to be turned neutral pretty quickly - because you've chosen to disregard alignment for a different moral compass. I would put forth that you need to find an alternative method of dealing with good-aligned cabal enemies that doesn't involving killing them. That's why you're good, not neutral. Then in cabal raid situations and the like when you're forced in to fighting them, is the time to roleplay all that remorse.
Just look at it this way: If you're planning on fighting people of your own alignment regularly, even if you plan on roleplaying remorse, you should just be neutral instead." End Aarn Quote.
This thread stuck with me because from my perspective, the only characters that consistently play Good Aligns in this manner are Fortress-types (In the Fortress, you even have RP psychos that are less likely to attack a neutral than ragers/tribs/outlanders are to attack a good). The vast majority of good align Ragers/Tribs/Outlanders happily attack opposing good align cabal members without any real remorse.
And then I started thinking about good-aligned mobs. Why is it that elves in Darsylon will murder WANTED Good Aligns travelling through Darsylon? Why is it that good aligned guards in Voralian will murder WANTED Good Aligns travelling through Voralian? Does this make ANY sense in light of Baer/Nep/Kasty/Aarn's opinion? Shouldn't Baer be turning all these Darsylon guards neutral?
There seems to be a basic and unreconciable disconnect between what the IMMs say about RPing a "good align" and how the IMMs actually go about enforcing restrictions on "good align vs. good align" attacks and how the game treats "good align vs. good align" attacks. I understand there is a gray area here, but the lack of consistent enforcement and game mechanics (e.g., Darsylon guards) end up making the Good-to-Neutral alignment changes seem terribly arbitrary.
(Yes, I realize this has nothing to do with Batman's change from neutral to evil which seems well deserved.)
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Java | Tue 10-Feb-09 07:05 PM |
Member since 07th Apr 2003
1055 posts
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#76874, "I actually agree with you.."
In response to Reply #50
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Maran are a special case, in that they should never intentionally kill a "good" person. Ever.
But in general, I don't necessarily have a problem with it. In every war that has ever been fought, "good" people have killed other "good" people without beating themselves up over it.
For instance, Johnny Confederate isn't evil because he fought for his state, and for a cause he believed in the Civil War. Neither is Mikey Union for fighting for a cause that HE believes in. And neither one of them needs to beat themselves up for fighting each other. Both made the choice willingly and chose to accept the consequences, including death.
Now, that isn't saying that Johnny should be talking #### about Mikey's mother, or pissing on his freshly dead corpse. Instead, there is likely a shared respect among the two (as was demonstrated numerously during the Civil War). They fight bravely, and respectfully and move on with no particularly ill will towards each other as individuals.
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#76899, "I'm sorry, but i have to ask something."
In response to Reply #54
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So it was ok for the German people to fight for "germany" under Hitler because they were fighting for something they believed in? The civil war was a little different, but if you throw slaves into the mix then the south definitely had a part of their ideology that was messed up and not "right." I liked the movie Valkyrie because of what it implied. That many German's wanted to see Hitler gone because of the horrible things he was doing. The problem there is not being willing to stand up for what you really believe in.
ah...now I'm rambling. Just a question.
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Isildur | Wed 11-Feb-09 11:19 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
5969 posts
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#76903, "RE: I'm sorry, but i have to ask something."
In response to Reply #57
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I've thought about this a fair amount. Applied to real life, not Carrion Fields. I think there's a certain amount of "delusion" that you have to allow people, when evaluating whether they have "evil intent". People can earnestly believe a lot of really wrong things. At some point, though, if they're directly confronted with evidence of the "wrongness", continuing to believe in the delusion becomes willful and no longer serves as a defense of their actions.de.
In the case of ragers, you have to decide whether someone could be so deluded about the nature of magic that he could, in good conscience, take another's life in order to to see magic destroyed. Since there are good aligned characters in the Battle cabal, it would seem that the arbiters of goodness in Thera have made that decision and, yes, one can be that deluded.
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#76906, "Now, now, Issy."
In response to Reply #58
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I do not like you implying that magic is indeed -not- evil. It is not ragers that are deluded it is the rest of Thera being misguided to think that magic is in fact benign, tolerable, or even good.
Had your village app not been such a doormat of unfortunate events then you would have seen behind the curtain and accepted the Rager Way. Magic bad.
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#76916, "The CF world"
In response to Reply #58
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In the CF world I can believe that a good aligned character sees magic as "evil" and therefore is helping that other good aligned character to purge that "evil" from them. I have absolutely no problem with this RP style in Carrionfields.
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Twist | Wed 11-Feb-09 04:05 PM |
Member since 23rd Sep 2006
3431 posts
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#76909, "Did you just Godwin a deletion thread? (n/t)"
In response to Reply #57
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#76917, "Not really sure what you mean. nt"
In response to Reply #60
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Twist | Wed 11-Feb-09 05:29 PM |
Member since 23rd Sep 2006
3431 posts
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#76920, "Godwin. Nazi references?"
In response to Reply #62
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#76924, "I had no idea....I think my point was valid though. nt"
In response to Reply #63
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DurNominator | Thu 12-Feb-09 02:51 PM |
Member since 08th Nov 2004
2018 posts
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#76950, "Nazi manipulation of minds was a gradual process."
In response to Reply #66
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They were gradually introducing the German people a concept that they were superior to other races and that some other groups, such as Jews, were inferior. All this was done in small steps, a little bit more inhumanity for people to endure, but not too much at a time.
Some people didn't wake up and see what they were doing before they saw how their own children had grown to despise Jews. At that point, those people woke up and said that things shouldn't go on like this. Some people, however, didn't wake up before Nazi Germany was defeated. People didn't see what was happening, it was so much easier not to.
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#76875, "I also agree with this."
In response to Reply #50
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And I've had the situation with the goodie thief stealing form my fortressite, and it's ridiculous that there is absolutely nothing to be done about it.
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Isildur | Tue 10-Feb-09 06:47 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
5969 posts
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#76872, "RE: The way I look at stuff like that..."
In response to Reply #48
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Nivek1 | Tue 10-Feb-09 06:37 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
655 posts
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#76841, "Wow. Way to overreact. nt"
In response to Reply #2
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