posting as daresh, and pelrin, and samsan, and a few others

meh, was thinkin last night gonna call it for a time on cf, but when I got home was like nah, gonna replace what I lost last night, grab a few decent / good swords, and come back trucking for a little while more, isnt until this weekend when things have to pick up in rl again. finally some business for the company and next week hours are moving back to not only 40 hours, but overtime. woot. we have been doing 3 10 hour shifts a week for almost 3 months. meh.

Anyway, yeah I was pelrin too, all the way to this char. My first I forget, it was a scion arcane. I never had an arcane before, but went scion, it was during the time of the tiger chancellor whose name I forget now, and waris etc. The only point to the char, I came back to carrionfields to try to understand the one cabal power I had no clue about, the one that deals with the astrological calendar etc and the focusing of their powers during, etc etc etc. I nearly completed that before I was uninducted, and uninducted because I said a comment back to waris Next time I will tell their leader to leave me be, when I had died in some area explore place. It was the duergar mine leader, and I am guessing waris thought I was speaking of him
was kinda funny, but that char was pointless then considering I couldnt continue researching that power. I did though, see alot of potential in the class, and I will explain in a moment just what I did with pelrin to make him into that beast.
First goodbyes from pelrin-

sorry all you maran for beating all you up, but the arcane before him only saw tons and tons of maran, not all that many villagers or anyone else, just tons and tons of maran. ahtieli was a lich but didnt
show that often, and didnt see any empirials without him save for a very, very few, and that rare. I went nexus to do something about that specifically, but.. again sorry. I would attack you alone against your parties of three and four to get at you, and did very well in most cases. unless I forgot to spiderhands / giant strength, then I died fast.

Kikebi my main man, sry I am a guy in rl, wasnt gonna sit there and watch you do the deed. I hope the things I showed you helped, but I didnt see you much after I deleted pelrin. You were the only person in the nexus that actually tried to keep the balance, that is why I did bond with you, and really almost never anyone else but you.

Oh yeah was an elf maran, I think marshall of the fortress, the only one that got it right. If I am hunting you, and say I am hunting you, I have told maran repeatedly that when I do so I act as an agent of the dark, I have given every one of them a way out, and yet I got comments all the time that I was using not being evil as a means to not get attacked by them. Even telling them I am an agent of evil etc. It was horrid, you got it right, and gave me a challenge repeatedly, I will always give you props, the rest of the maran.. not so much.

The dwarf and shapeshifter perm group. Had I been made meter of magic, which I didnt want to be because I was growing bored with the char fast, you both would have been kicked the #### out. The imms might tolerate perm grouping now with the low pbase as a hope to keep the chars they have, as well the other things they tolerate, I dont. What was your name grimbledorf? or something like that? or was that the third age last breath of the age dwarf? meh dang now I forget. bad memory.
A job as a leader is to show people differing ways of how they can keep the balance, expand and teach, guide, and show yourself as something to look up to, and emulate. You on the other hand, tried to limit what people could do. Damn right I challenged you, you were a piece of #### already by being a perma, and then you want to limit peoples ability to keep the balance? You were a total retard. I treated you like it, and you deserved it.
Thank you daevryn for letting me back in, especially as quick as you did, if I got the wrong imm of you too sry again, it was a bit ago. four chars in fact for me

There was no other nexan that even attempted to keep the balance really that I saw, just fought a few villagers here and there. Bimbledor or something? svirf warrior that I levelled up with some, you did good but deleted FAST, other than that, you other nexans were pieces of crap that wasnt gonna get scraps from me hoping I would take you out to gang people down. No way in hell. When you are willing to try, I am willing to help, otherwise, I will let you be the stagnating person that you are.

Mmm, scion bird/alligator chacellor. lezra? I really liked you, except for the multikilling thing. Another thing the imms allow that I dont. The few times that the balance swayed to dark I rarely saw you except teh one time in teh village, and yeah that time I did go after you, my respect for you went to #### after the repeat killings. Only thing though, the only times the balance shifted to the dark, was also when waris and others were on to help ya x.x owwie.

Kimemrak - if I had been forced to be meter I would have ended your nexan career. Just with all people in this situation when I am a leader, dating even as far back as seffar when I killed another nexan a-p for level sitting (though and killing another ap that was an applicant to the scions). If you want to be in a cabal and play in the cabal, especially when I am leader, I expect you to rise in ranks in teh cabal and fight for the cabal, not level sit, linger like a pest that can only fight the weakest people you possibly can. Not to mention not even fight, but assassinate and hope you land something you never could in any other means. The imms though have heard that story for years, they have even seen the pbase fall to I swear, I logged in with 3 other people online, eventually maybe when they see 0 online, they might decide to listen about skill-less pk. You would have been thrown out for complete and utter cowardice and inability to perform for the cabal. Pity I wish I had not deleted sometimes for some of you in that cabal.

Waris. Waris waris waris. Had a few good fights with pelrin, but I couldnt face you with that nightwalker well. Your weapon was too big by then to be affective against you while having to kill that too. As far as anti paladins go I didnt see you as being one of the strong ones, except you made up for it with tact / wisdom in your fighting. You did surprise me a few times. i.e. attacking the group of four solo in sitran etc etc, you did show a side of yourself to me that said hey man, I do got balls. While others hate you, I had respect for you, though at least I didnt have to deal with all your prayers x.x.

uhh..
pelrin didnt speak with many people, so onto the next.

I rolled up samsan to mess with binder thieves, but also to check out that thief path in arkham. Really the first skill I wanted to see how affective it was with the scrolls. Really I was impressed, except without gentlewalk I couldnt steal any real scrolls of worth. As a matter of fact without it, I couldnt get plague, poison, curse, weaken, etc etc everything from maus. Well curse, blind, and slow was it.
I stuck it out a while waiting to meet the age requirement to be able to get extra thief points edge, but never got it so deleted. Failed experiment because I couldnt experiment

Samsan was a tribunal, though yeah I killed quite a few people, really it was only binder power and some use of slowing scrolls, just because I could. I didnt want this char to go anywhere in leadership positions because he failed to live up to my own wants in a thief char. Delete delete.

Shalsad - mentioning you here because this is where you showed up really in this char string of mine. Great forms for a vindicator, and glad you got it, it was a position earned in that you actually DID do something to criminals, unlike the shaman that was wanting the job etc etc. Was rooting for you or tlingit Anyway good job.

Tlingit - mass respect for you. Only reason I made samsan was to help you out. I had seen with pelrin chaos starting to take alot of sway often, though waris and a few others didnt help that, I saw outlander starting to gain alot of strength, and you were almost always alone.
In comes samsan, but really you didnt need help. Said outlanders rarely showed up, and most deleted by the time samsan was hero.
You kick ass, even if as daresh I had to beat you up a bit, and make shalsad need your help to take me down, making you unable to be a magistrate for a while mass respect.

Iccurik - not very outgoing. Capable, but still to me a meh char. Like you wanted to do something with yourself, but never did it.

Bonthos - mentioning you because you are a level sitting piece of #### really. Just another thing imms tolerate. You take the cowards way out of fighting by keeping yourself at iron grip, the same with most a-p's, and think your special when you are too chicken #### to level. You do tend to target people that are raiding other places to hit, since they will be hurt, often maladicted already, cheap tactic, but for the pathetic it works. Will throw ikbe as well in here, with showing no tactics, no ability other than doing this and level sitting, you will never be feared, and never be anything other than a waste of space that I would prefer a 10 year old newbie to be in, one that actually tries.
You two are pathetic on purpose. Though yes you did kill me when I had been fighting the nexan inner guardians, was slowed and softened etc, you did manage to kill me while I was like that and hurt, and you convulsing -thats how bad you were- I am not complaining of that, its only true.
Saying more of ikbe I also feel bad for the sect. They have you as dread lady now. I know that sect will produce nothing, nor be capable of doing anything, for a long time under your leadership, other than getting your item back if your able to fight someone weak. heh.

mmmm, lierieng sorry to kill you that one time you were link dead, I realy had not known but I had been chasing you and had no way to tell.
thought it was possible though x.x but not until after you died. Dunno what else to say.

And oh yeah lierieng, only reason I went into that trap, I knew it was a trap, and I didnt care. I wanted full looted damn you, I was going to delete pelrin. Only thing I didnt think of is that you would plague me, and I didnt have a means to cure it
I also didnt use barrier for that fight, woulda made the difference, but meh. You only took a few things, didnt understand about the staff, its a decent staff but there are a few better and easier to get as far as an adder. meh

Oh yeah also, drow arcane doc zizzle. I loved your char, still do, I tried to teach you a few things on the arcane path you werent using, you never got it by the looks of things. Other than ganging I havent seen you as being even remotely capable. You did manage to kill a warrior that didnt have the head, no ability to heal, and no ability to have preps but otherwise, just a meh char. You do have great rp though, and for that I loved ya.

My next char was also a thief, went trapper path, because never seen a decent trapper. I found out why. Zizzle and the orc chief met that thief most, but eh. well. Unless traps begin to work -had about a 90% fail rate on sleeping traps. go figure- wont do that again. deleted him in a hurry, another failed experiment.

Then I made an assassin, levelled him solo to 36, was uncaballed. Was trying to decide what cabal to be in, but then decided village really needs help. I did a good job emptying it as pelrin, and lezra decided to help it along by multikilling, so decided they needed aid. scrapped the assassin because he was using magic stuff all his life, and rolled a felar mute defender. Marewl I think. will mention that soon.
Here is a funny story, I was at my brothers house during a time I was levelling up my skills in a certain area as daresh, one of my nieces, 9 years old, wanted to play, and I never let her because of the content on cf, and really she wouldnt follow it, so I logged my assassin on, didnt delete him in case I wanted to switch back. I practiced assassinate and stalk for her, and let her have at it. I told her the where command, one person in the city, an anti paladin in his guild. told her to kill someone by assassinating them, you had to stalk them for a while, then go to them and type assassinate and their name.
I wasnt gonna tell her to type ass charname.
not a 9 year old.
I made dinner, and I #### you not 45 min later I went downstairs she had assassinated 3 people. She never left hte market square, nothing.
she had assassinate at 78 sure enough. Then she told me this game sucks, and left. I was laughing my ass off.
Anyway as far as the felar was concerned, I took two legacies which ended up being worthless. The duellist legacy didnt say anything about needing a high int, so needless to say, it never worked.
Also between the parrying legacy ward of blades, and parry anything skill, I almost never parried anything with ironhands at 100, and all weapons at 100. I didnt have this problem with any other char, I just didnt parry anything at all. If I didnt dodge it, I was #### outta luck.
Deleted the char over ####ty legacies that overly crippled the char, with already being mute, I love being mute, but that got annoying with being crippled further, deleted him to remake into something the village needed, a berserker.
daresh was created, levelled up, got weapons high, but man gahtho was in dire shape. Almost never another villager except a level sitting piece of #### that was again, too much of a coward to do anything but level sit, instead of doing what I wanted to do, which was perfect all my skills I use etc, I levelled and did nothing but it, fulfilling my word to gahtho that I would not stop until I was by his side fighting the heroes. Which is why also my whip skills failed as often as they did, didnt perfect em
I also never went to ysaloerye as per my religion, though I didnt cast my role asside, spoke to a few of myself seeking redemption, and doing things for my mamma, etc, I put the village first before everything.
I kicked alot of peoples ass as daresh, not because of deathblow, but because I can really cloth a warrior decently
Here though is also where I stop playing again. Wara I am sorry you got all the assassinations on you, as long as the imms have skill-less pk, people will do it and pretend they are great. Take assassins like ilix, kjrorh, they couldnt kill a kobold without it. Literally.
Assassins without it truly are overpowered, especially nexans, considering you have protection vs align, protection potion, protection ethos which if it hits against all three, instant 75% damage redux from the three, then you have sanc, martial trance, stone skin, shield, aura, no mage can compare to all the protections it can get. I know, I had an assassin rhyme. For kicks once I went all out as this, I had a ram scratching me. I also had an assassin vindicator I deleted out of boredom. I went to the village and killed two people within solo. Its not the class that cannot perform, it is you. Ilix and kjrorh both of you, as well as most other assassins, If you suck so badly to land a kill you have to assassinate or gang someone, do everyone a favor and hang yourself. Assassinate by far is the number one reason, and has been since it was changed after the class lost hellfire etc etc, that the player base has gone literally, to less than half its size over hte years. The imms have made the comment its because of online rpg;s! its all muds. Nope, in fact there are not much less mudders today than even a few years ago, and there are alot of the big muds thats just gotten bigger.
And kjrorh, with as worthless as you are to anyone, and more after having your ass handed to you over and over fighting against my char, landing a lucky assassinate through my legacy -which goes against assassinates mind you- and actually talking #### as if you were something, dont do that. Your an idiot already, you make yourself even more lame.

Melertisicio. Someone else loots your #### because you looted them, and then while I die to someone else you loot me and ask if it was worth it. Thats why I stripped you bare. The next time I killed you I left everything and told you if you grew up, you could keep your things.
No matter what you were fiercely incompetant, and yet you still babbled ####, and the #### flowed out so fast eventually I had to ignore you. If you want to talk as if you are something, please, be something. christ.

Khratetch, the reason I left your weapon is because I respect an ap that will level up and be what a cabal needs. I know you lied about the charges however But You are a strong player, you deserved the spot as chancellor, and you show it every time you log on. Sorry about picking on you though and taking your item with you on
Also how I knew you were held from your fillet etc, was a scout was scouting on you, rybion by name, and that is why he was wearing your trophy as he did, because I felt he earned it. But again congratulations, keep it up man.

Gahtho - You trucked it out constantly against bad odds. As daresh I evened the playing field for ya. Only fitting as it was me that helped empty it. Daresh did literally everything he needed to. Put the village in much better condition it was in. Now they almost always have hte key the nexans wont even dare attempt to get back unless they have a hoard of younglings. Which often doesnt dare attempt to get back
Scions wont attempt except the chancellor, and the pachyderm which the imms wont fix and empirials, very few are able to regain it, and only ikbe will even attempt, aside the lich of course who has good fixes of the ass kickery drink, and even then, ikbe wont dare attempt anything unless heknows for sure he can take the other person talk about no rish taking.

ierl - when anything happens you quit out. I wish the imms would pay attention to that ####, and enforce their own rules, again. I know they dont care about multicharring anymore, or perma grouping, or any other version of cheating, you are taking space in a cabal but you dont play it. You dont try. #### you have a ####ing lemur man, a form great against warriors, with two special guards, and wont defend your inner guardian with all of that -and manacles- instead you leave form, word, quit, come back later, talk ####. I show up to your city, you quit, come bback in about five min and talk ####. You dont even teleport out, you just quit. If you are going to continue this ####, then please leave the tribunal. If you arent willing to play the game, then simply dont play it. All the eq you have, you are keeping from people that actually ARE playing the game. go #### yourself somewhere dude. This is a game, not rl. play it. christ.

Ellorye, mentioning you here as well, because you are a worthless piece of #### also, level sitting, especially when the village needs heroes, to be able to fight the weaker people, then you had to open your mouth and act big so I put you in your place there in the village over cb openly. Had I been in the rites I likely would be hte leader right now, but I had to work -curses-. My first act would have been removing you, then getting down to business, its ok though, because was already getting bored of daresh. Every other cabal went to a standstill, and all of a sudden battle had 42 members, about 10 of them already able to fight heroes, and some of them decent, like cassoughans. You were a waste of space that was too #### scared to perform for the village. You had the excuse to gahtho you would fight the ones he couldnt. I actually watched you last you were on, you got your ass beat in every single fight. So yeah, sure.

Cassoughans, and every other villager but elloerye. Alot of talent comming up, and alot of people that want to try. Friitjoff was the only one that bragged of winning at all, grats man, otherwise I dunno how the rites went other than the commander. Assassin whose name I forget now and cant take a look. lol.
Please, try to log on more. I have seen you I think twice in my life, the one levelling you like 7 levels to get you where you are now. If you are on alot when I am not, then I apologize, but from what I have heard nearly everyone is grumbling, wondering who this assassin is. Please live up to the leader of the village position.

Ahtieli and satebos. I actually hunted you two whenever I could, ahtieli was the only one I ever saw though, we had a good few fights, except when you had your army ahtieli and I couldnt deal with that, especially with drives low success rate now. dunno when that was changed, but christ it fails almost all the time now. Our first fight though, I was like 7 levels below you, and wielding two fine steel swords that crippled my saves vs spells against you. Needless to say I had no chance, but came anyway. As pelrin I was dissapointed in you because you didnt just gang with your full pets, you ganged people down in the biggest parties you could manage. You are already immune to many things most people in thera can do, your phylacs, I know what they do. I have had a lich way back when now, but still you were doing it. After pelrin all the way up to this char, my respect for you has grown considerably, and if I had gotten to kill you, I likely wouldnt have taken anything but a few phylacs, and that for the veil, and left all others even. good job.

I do have to mention theras pbase doesnt support proper lich vs others fights anymore. There just arent enough people. I remember without pets fighting against four and more people solo, and kicking ass. If ahtieli did that he couldnt take it from what I have seen, but he wouldnt have to now a days.
no offense to you ahtieli, I had to deal with it, things like a mongoose, three paladins, a bard against me and my army. army dies fast x.x
I had to deal with it, you dont.
I think it was the pale white phylactery that had two charges of the permenant damage redux on it, those were much more common back then. That was changed to some other name though.

Imms - I know I have said alot of negative comments to you in this post. It is rightly deserved, though I will say the good, I always come back to this mud because of hte memory of what it once was, but keep in mind things like this.
Rebalancing the forms of one class has taken over a year, yet we still have cases such as the pachyderm. Water forms on land are still better than any land form -save at the moment, the pachyderm-. If your gonna rebalance them ####, rebalance them it takes less than a weak, then tweak things about and add in, and alter accordingly, but a year and still having these same problems? I love that you are doing something, but the time length on that is horrible.
Most players that have told you why they were leaving teh game / deleteing as been over one skill, assassinate. More than any other skill of its kind - power word kill etc - this is the worst. Only my leader chars -though none this time around, I didnt want them- had ever had the ability to get eyes in teh back of your head edge, and this char had even the one with shadows legacy, a #### legacy in that it worked only 5 of 22 times. Thats it, but still was something against all the assassins. I never practiced assassiante with any of my assassins, but then again as compared to these others like ilix and kjrorh, I actually know how to play the class without needing to resort to it or ganging. Imms, I have been hoping for years you would finally sit down and listen to why everyone has left the game, or reread the threads. I do not feel like going over it all again, you have it all in the archives anyway. Yeah your the imms here and decide what to do. Us guys, are the players. Please look at what youve done and are doing. I would like to come back next summer or whenever I get bored and see something positive have happened with this mud as far as its pbase.. and started projects completed.
Please dont give anymore things like an instrument that has the ability to garauntee kills at times, and worldbinds etc. The hell were you thinking imm that made that thing?
Even while I play here, I miss the game for what it was when there were alot of people, it really sucks to play the game and miss the game at teh same time.


This entire thread is my opinion, and reflects the truth as I see it. I respect many, but again many dont deserve the crusted crap at the end of a badly wiped ass hair. Come on guys, this is carrion fields. It used to be a great game. As far as playability and pk, players are alot of it too. Well over half of what I have seen take the cowards way out of everything, and resort to ganging, and yeah four to one hoping to be able to seal a kill? #### you cant do anything on your own and beg and plead others for help. In this thread of chars I have seen more lame things than any other char thread I have ever had, and including when I played here actively, and the worst part of it, there is less people, and it is still true. Look at what you are doing, and try exploring the class to find their potential, the goods and the bads. I will tell you about arcanes now, what I did to pelrin.
arcanes are half warrior - half mage, easily and by far they are hybrids, the best at it.
During my best time, I believe I had about a 65 damroll with him, with soften and decal I was doing oblits in regular combat. Who was that retard that said I was doing unspeaks, that was a spell, not a skill. I hit annihilates on vuln blunt with the heavy hits. Arcanes have a deathblow style ability that works almost once per every round, and that one hit has a high chance of hitting. Its also affected by the veil, the thinner it is, the more damage it is. Arcanes can be physical beasts to accent their magics. This is where people like zizzle fail, they rely completely on magic and ignore the physical aspect. Only scions with nightwalkers really can pull that off.
While it can be potent, you are playing the class to only half of its strength. Of course I could kill villagers with pure melee most of the time, except the ones with the duellist legacy, I had a damroll naturally usually of twice theres -duh, your warriors have some damroll guys ####- and if any arcane decided to take the more protected side of the path, you can deal through resistance mangles and demolishes without casting a spell, and only take grazes through wounds. Its a really tough class. On a side note, easily taken for their vulnerabilities. Arial mace spec villager whose name I forget that was keeper of teh tablet, you were the ONLY villager that didnt have to gang me down to do something, aside the commander, and that one time literally by sheer and total luck, otherwise he was rather bad.

Anyway, I say no more. I will respond to people. I know this will upset alot of people, but the things I have said are the truth, and I hope those that deserve the credit they do deserve read this, you deserve the credit given.

I really disagree with a lot that you have to say, but, and I'll be honest here, I don't have anywhere near the attention span to break it all down. But, in short:

1) The game doesn't start at hero. The game is not meant to start at hero. You know what happens when hero Daresh tries to kill a level 30 mage? That's right, he fails every time.

It's fine that you want to power to hero. It's fine that you don't want to be the Elleryne that hangs at a level for a while to work on a skill, or maybe can't play for very long for a while (or simply doesn't play 100+ hours a week as you do) and, yes, spends a real life month at a level. What's not okay is that you think you're somehow better than everyone else who doesn't play 100 hours a week and play the way you do. What's objectively wrong is that you seem to think that lower level PK doesn't have its own (different) challenges and easy parts vs. hero PK.

2) I don't believe any of your assassinate-related stories. Yes, you hate the skill. We get that.

3) I liked Pelrin, in the sense that he was willing to get into a lot of fights that Nexus should get into, but a lot of that current crew couldn't or wouldn't. I was not a fan of his RP.

4) In general, and I don't believe I've ever said this to anyone else in almost 10 years of the role command, you probably should not write roles. Or, if you must, skip the OOC rants.

For real man, where can I score some of the #### you smoke? This isn't so much an altered reality that you have created for yourself as it is an entirely different universe than the one the rest of us know, and I want to get there too.

Clearly you're absolutely insane, and should look into a resort with white, padded walls and a bed with appropriate shackles and restraining devices.

Man, sorry to see you go, didn't know your newer chars, but I did roll with pelrin a time or two. Good luck and so on, About level sitting aps.....play one, and then comment on them....I have a completely different perspective on aps after my first here recently, anyhow, peace

<<<---Tiger Chancellor

I liked Pelrin from what little I saw of him. He had balls. Your scion transmuter was ok...I inducted him. From what I heard from Waris, I fully condoned him kicking you out.

That being said, you're ####ing delusional. It's your way or the highway. It's not even a matter of being macho - it's about flaming your self ego, which by itself seems really freaking big, so much so that this game almost acts as a catalyst for some internal personal struggle. Maybe it's that you're having trouble with girls. Maybe you're just a fat alcoholic who likes to rape girls (and guys). I don't have any idea - but I can almost guarantee people that this persona of yours is probably the same as your real life persona. And to top it off, it isn't even some random burst of outrage or emotion - it's a carefully crafted rant about how you're so much better than everyone else.

Zulg? Oh no, don't forget that he has a REAL LIFE, that his life does NOT revolve around this game, and that he does this as a side project. Can't forget that for an entire year he has heard ideas from people and implemented them based on those ideas. Not to mention that he has to debug a lot of ####. Nope, nothing is good enough for what you want, when you want, and how you want.

BTW, I don't know if you've played an armadillo or pachyderm recently, but they have different skills that make each of them interesting (intercept for Armadillo anyone?)

Christ, go rape some child already and get yourself off.

forgot your name
my scion transmuter was teh etst char to look at the class, as I had never had one before, I do not mind the uninduction, sucked that I couldnt have continued the research on that freakin power and that was basically it. he wasnt strong at all, wasnt all that outgoing etc.

no trouble with girls, not fat. Work situation sucks but thats about it. And were you here when the game was good? Alot of people here we should give another mud to, give them a slay command, so they can feel good about accomplishing something that takes no ability whatsoever, and wouldnt waste the time and effort of most others involved, that is an accurate summary of much of what I said.

and armadillo and pachyderm yes they have different skills, I never argued that. Armadillo can intercept? yes good for gangs irreguardless.
pachyderm can attack 3 villagers by himself and win.
With ease.
For everyone reading what I said, I NEVER MENTIONED THEIR SKILLS. I do hope and pray for all of you involved that you have noticed this.
While they have some skills each, I am comparing their damage resistance and offensive ability, gotten from their skills.
please reread what I said in this.

and btw you were a good kcikass chancellor

You're so focused on a sole aspect of what you believe is wrong that you don't even take the time to look at the whole issue. And you bitch Zulg out for not balancing? Do you know how ####ing hard it is to balance out that many skills and spells with respect to everything else in this game? I've initiated my own mud in the past - it's no walk in the park.

Heck, I'll bitch about alligator because it seems to outdamage all other forms. Not to mention that tiger has bleed, hamstring, pounce, and dodges like a mofo. Nope, alligator is just too damn powerful.

Or the fact that Fire giant APS rock so much compared to other races. Not to mention that lash of the slaves STILL kicks ass, that arial/drow have a SOOO much easier time landing spells. Nope, they just kick ass.

Do you see where I'm going with this or do you want me to provide other examples?

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>Christ, go rape some child already and get yourself off.
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I must say while his post made me roll my eyes a bit, your retort is just sick. You sure know how make someone look better by making yourself look a hell of alot worse.

I have a little fault - I don't take well to ingrateful self-delusional asswipes, especially when everything that spews out of their mouth is just stupidity.

Just because I am not in a hurry to level to 51 and level when there are NO mages in my range does not mean that I am level sitting. That combined with not having a ton of time to play means that I rarely get to level. The game does not start at 51. So get bent.
-Elle

When you are hte same level, for months, despite time played etc, you are level sitting.
It does not mean you are not in a hurry, it means you are refusing, I know for certainty because you have openly refused to level EVERY time asked -that is known to me-

And your right, the game does not start at level 51, I congratulate you for being able to figure that one out Elle, I really do. The game though, does not stop when you get assassinate.
I said it before and said it again, you are too much of a pansy.

nt

>Oh yeah also, drow arcane doc zizzle. I loved your char, still do, I tried to teach you a few things on the arcane path you werent using, you never got it by the looks of things. Other than ganging I havent seen you as being even remotely capable. You did manage to kill a warrior that didnt have the head, no ability to heal, and no ability to have preps but otherwise, just a meh char. You do have great rp though, and for that I loved ya.

I feel like John McCain getting a compliment from Joe Biden. Yikes!

eww politics, I still love ya man.

Sure, I've got problems with a few setups out there, from time to time. Though nothing a few prepps can't handle. But you... You hit insanely hard on me. + my setup wasn't the best against you. That fight when I was fully prepped was just aweful... Everything prepared, just thought I was wielding a spear, not whips. ^^ Whips vs Swords = no good obviously...

The second fight was better, thanks to a good dirt kick right after the entwine. Still got pawned... Then I applied some decent tactics when you raided the council, still you owned me.

Kickass PK-char, no idea about the RP, but you were classy about looting, even though you must have banged your head into the desk for taking the wrong ring. ^^ hahaha

(I still wonder who has all the otherones...)

mentioned it on another part of the thread, with berserk and lust I had 109 or so damroll, forgetting at this moment, so I will hit hard. if you saw the damage the inner guardians were taking, I averaged DEVASTATES per hit.. you were taking alot less, so they really were working x.x

whips are good vs swords, the only thing is if you are fighting a person with a cursed weapon mainwielded, the best ability for whips as far as crippling the other is strip, and it can no longer happen.

Second fight yeah, I was thikning to myself ####! and I had just bloodlusted

Yeah also beat my head in, but I didnt care to much. My set was already decent, and wasnt out to cripple people, Im not a current nexan.
As far as rp I did do it quite a bit, even with some enemies, though talking happened more when I had less enemies, because of less hunting involved on my part. Also daresh doesnt see many empirials as true enemies, its also why I spoke further on that with ya etc.

Gonna give some help with bloodthirsted warriors. Bloodlust is really not that great, if you have no way to deal with it as an enemy as mages dont aside summonings, it can also be the worst thing a berserker can do. When it wears off, so does the haste, and you become lethargic, you also get a -15/15 hit/dam when it wears off. the fighting ability goes from supreme to almost nil. You and xherves have a means of dealing with it. Stun me or choke me. wait it out.
both of you are able to last a time against me bloodlusted. choke me, eat some healing preps, and sit there and laugh at me.

Actualy I was bored and did read all. Man, try to get rid of that Macho flaw I don't wish to go talking about that levelsitting thing. It was discussed so much before. Just one thing. Did you count how long Khratetch was levelsitting? Do you realy think me or Bronthos won't ever rank to hero ranks? Do you realy think it doesn't take time to get at least ice control so you can do at least something to all those marans?

I watched Khratetch quite closely, as I lvled with him for a while with another char.

He was not logging many hours at 36, lvl sitting for maybe 3 weeks yes, but he wasn't online much at all. Then suddenly, he didn't show up for 3-4 weeks, at all (atleast not during my times), then he came back on during my times and began lvling.

I'm not in any way bashing you Ikbe, APs do need lvl sitting. Just don't think Khratetch spent many ingame hours at either 36 or 40, but I do think you've spent alot. heh

ap's dont need level sitting at all, I swear between you guys and aht you are making me want to roll up an ap or a necro. grrrrr.

khratetch that I saw never level sat, unless I just plain never saw him, period, until he became chancellor. I will admit I was wondering just who the hell that person was

Do I think you and bonthos wont ever rank to hero ranks? Likely you will both delete before then, especially when all a sudden you will be level 40 being able to fight heroes, lose your weapon, and be in worse situations than you are now.
That applies mainly to you more than bonthos, since its much easier as a tribbie.

Mmm, I will be the first to say my a-p got to level 51 in 100 hours or so, he never got a great weapon because I made him when maran were kickass, this was I wanna say a year and a half ago. I had every control by 150 hours but the last. Go go gadget fire gian vuln mental and all the bards then owwie.
Its not a macho thing. I see myself as playing this game with a whole bunch of other people. I try to be a player worth playing against / playing with. I do have that standard. Then there are people who play like you, really not worth playing against or with, and yeah I would prefer just about anyone or anything to you. Then there are the people that play only for the modified slay command, made worse by attitudes of greatness. These people are beyond stupid in their playstyle, ability, and how pathetic they are, but it still ruins far and wide any want whim and will of any form of interaction with such chars or wants of being any part of this place.
Though yeah I can see why you call it a macho thing. Im a guy with hairy armpits, I am macho man!

Victoria went into hero range with fire control. I just didn't have fire control up when I fought the fort.

That said, I have a lot of time for Ikbe, so don't take this as a criticism.

n/t

But even a fire ap should be able to kill without a control up.

I personally was grossed out. My char was grossed out. I made comments to a bunch of people IC how nasty the whole Pelrin-wanting-a-baby-daddy business was...

But I also wanted to help further your char, which I thought was top notch. It was obvious you were a skilled player, with a tremendous amount of knowledge, and I wanted to keep you around.

FWIW - Some of the stuff you were showing me, I knew OOC, but my char had not encountered it before so I played a bit dumb.

Once you left, Kikebi kinda died too... there was really noone to play with. I also was playing a sub-optimal build (svirf polearm), and never had anyone to help me work on charge-set/cutoff, so I really was playing 1 specced for the most part... and it got kinda boring.

I went and rolled some crummy shapeshifter, got into outlander, heroed - realized once again that I hated playing shifters - and then deleted both chars.

But I've gone and rolled something else - hopefully I'll see you in the fields in some form or another.

i knew you were a guy too. That was why I couldnt see it, I dont think I can explain how gay I felt and I couldnt stand it.
didnt know you already knew the info, except I suspected ktengs. I really suspected ktengs, it took me days to figure it out, literally. grrrrrrrrrrr you.
and sorry for leaving on you, almost all the time thera was balanced, and it wasnt my way to go against people when it wasnt necessary as pelrin, except the little thing against outlander. not making another char for a while, at least a few months.
but good luck with your chars man.
as a general rule, for charge set, just walk up to mobs and demand stuff, it will improve on even level 1 things. as far as cutoff, just tank some poke
god your subject line makes me feel so gay
i need a shower

Kteng's was the main one that I had already explored with a previous character pretty extensively.

Some of the other places I had never been... and even places I had been, you knew little tidbits that I never found out...

I never did get to pick your brain about your homeplace - I know you know the place backwards and fowards.

mmmm forget pelrins homeplace, and likely did.
when I played actively, I tried to know everything I could. Will say in the past few years I have done nearly no exploring. Been shown a few things and kept that to me, but otherwise all my information nowis old -cries-
am glad I helped though man, you were one of the nexans that actually tried to play the politics, and work for the veil. Not many of those happen ever.

Ok damnit even with the hole makes me feel gay thing I gotta say it or its gonna keep bothering me, you imspired some of the best rp times for any of my chars ever with pelrin, and thank you for that.
ok #### I wanna puke now

You are insane Jutunn/Gosen

not legally. tried that in a court case. Was hoping it would work better considering it wasnt my court case

sorry was a joke

you where tough.. could not kill you once you enterd rage..

i had alot of respect for you, and you ar one of the tougest warriors i have fought.

against a dagger spec I have to rage, otherwise I lose weapons and die, and you would win hands down. I will also mention with rage when I fought you I had 109 damroll. lower than I wished but I also didnt have the chilling embrace and warcry legacies, woulda given an extra 35 there, and only 2 dern items. all in all I shoulda had over 160 with full eq and damaging legacies. Went with role though and forged myself against my flaws. I was fortress of the spirit and one with shadows.
Both of them very bad legacies as far as legacies go. The second one is only good for svirfs since they are 22 wis and str. It worked for me five out of 22 times exactly.
meh.
so yeah, while you say I am tough, it was bloodlust that kept me alive against you long enough for me to be tuff
if I were a non villager I would have had to sacrifice the wis for the legacy, get the ogre horned helm etc etc and wear about + 30 str worth of stuff to be able to keep wielding weapons against a dagger user.
if we fought with me not having the head, I would have gotten my ass beat is what I am saying, and without really the ability to fight back.

>Rebalancing the forms of one class has taken over a year, yet
>we still have cases such as the pachyderm. Water forms on land
>are still better than any land form -save at the moment, the
>pachyderm-. If your gonna rebalance them ####, rebalance them
>it takes less than a weak, then tweak things about and add in,
>and alter accordingly, but a year and still having these same
>problems? I love that you are doing something, but the time
>length on that is horrible.

Welcome to me making changes when I have the time. This is my hobby, my leisure time, you get it as I give it. This is not my job. You say it took over a year (true statement), then say it should take less than a week...seriously...#### off.

I have taken all of the feedback, analyzed the data and made appropriate changes. Pachyderm has been buffed up. Water forms have been buffed up on water. I have some thoughts on what tweaks to make for water forms on land that I'm kicking around. It's not as simple as you make it, and once again, #### off for thinking it is.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

pachyderms take scratches from 90 damroll people, with ave 28 weapons.
Second, yes just as it is the game is a hobby to us, I speak of balancing the forms, what you are doing as well is adding new skills / abilities etc, that is what is taking so long. What we have now is not correct, but in the rate you are doing to fix what is wrong now it will take easily over another year to be fixed, but with those fixes will be additions made. On my end in the least I would rather see what we have now fixed, and tweaks to the form happen after such as skill additions, modifications then, as well as the new forms you have been creating. I do know what does take time and what does not.

You are complaining about Zulg doing too much work. Too much work that he is not paid for. Too much work that people rarely appreciate how much work it actually is. Too much work to allow you to have fun. Stupid statements like yours just make those that do put cool new things into the game not want to any more, feel under appreciated, and not want to put any effort in. Can't you just say, "Zulgh, Thanks for all the work! But could you also just take a look at this for me?" Is it that hard? There are going to be bugs in a game like this, things that are not balanced right. You know this when you play. These are volunteers running this and making it fun for you to play, not paid workers. If you can't handle it...

I will compare it this way, imagine a person with a leaky toilet, and he is working on it as a hobby, but instead of fixing the leak, he is changing several nuts, working the pipes etc, but everything he is doing while it is nice, yes.
it doesnt help the leak.
And yes, I did both pray about it, as well as several others I am quite certain, logs have been posted of it, and I sent a note in game.
Also yes in a game like this there will be bugs, and not everything will be balanced, but when one class and one class alone that has a select number of forms takes over a year to balance something is wrong.
It is because he is not just balancing them, while a few forms are done, he is also doing several other things, That is as I mentioned what took time, and here is example, while the imm is doing alot of work and I do thank him for it.
Its the players that are feeling the affects of what needed to be done, and hasnt. Its that leak we are getting, still.
Also I can handle it, but, it is for other reasons I am leaving the game, again.

>I will compare it this way, imagine a person with a leaky
>toilet, and he is working on it as a hobby, but instead of
>fixing the leak, he is changing several nuts, working the
>pipes etc, but everything he is doing while it is nice, yes.
>it doesnt help the leak.

You just proved my point with this statement right here... Someone fixing a leaking toilet at their own house can do it in any order they want because, it is their house. If it continues to leak while they changes the pipes, replace the nuts and bolts, etc, then so be it, it is their house. May not be the best way to do it, but it is their decision.

But I also agree with Zulgh that he could not completely rebalance them without taking into account the skills. How can you rebalance a croc and a lemur if you do not take into account regen, dam redux, distract, dodge, etc? You can't.

i consider this a public place, where many people use the toilet, not just zulghy, hes just the one working on it, and we all have to suffer the leak.
You cant do it without skills, you have to balance it all together including the skills. As per my post if you look, dealing with what they have now. What he is doing is adding more and more, which only each addition needs more and more changes and testing for balance etc, which only needs more and more time, and its not until after aLL that time passes that we see if the leak is fixed.
how the hell did I bring a leaky toilet into this I am too damn tired.

And I'm having a really crappy day at work... Lets all just go have a nice big Jack and coke! I'm buying!

yes I am and going to sleep
and I cant drink
sorry about your day and work
but at least you got to vent at me some

>pachyderms take scratches from 90 damroll people, with ave 28
>weapons.

Oddly...they are a top tier defense form. That's what you should expect.

>Second, yes just as it is the game is a hobby to us, I speak
>of balancing the forms, what you are doing as well is adding
>new skills / abilities etc, that is what is taking so long.

This just shows how ignorant you and your statements are. Part of balancing a form IS giving it additional skills/abilities to get it in line with another form. In the case of pachyderm. It is a lot like an armadillo, but not as damage resistant, so it gets a few more offensive type abilities to balance it out.

>What we have now is not correct,

What's not correct? I've addressed 90% of the issues people have with regards to the current forms.

>but in the rate you are doing
>to fix what is wrong now it will take easily over another year
>to be fixed, but with those fixes will be additions made.

Another hearty #### off to you...

>On my end in the least I would rather see what we have now fixed,
>and tweaks to the form happen after such as skill additions,
>modifications then, as well as the new forms you have been
>creating. I do know what does take time and what does not.

So tell me what's broken. Right now you're just screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

>pachyderms take scratches from 90 damroll people, with ave 28
>weapons.
Oddly...they are a top tier defense form. That's what you should expect.

To this comment, no I should not. An armadillo doesnt take this kind of damage redux unless it is in its shell, which means it deals no damage at all, period.
Though the pachyderm has that same damage redux but just as well, has a goring which hits twice per two rounds, and an attack per round. All of which does good damage. It also has a tossing ability which is a rather neat utility skill that I happen to like, even if I am the one being tossed from the entwining on it.

Comparitively on this, an armadillo has no damage output to compete with this forms damage redux and offensive ability both. This is where I state what is broken. Again.

Your view and my view of balancing forms differ, of this I state plainly. I see as balancing forms as say damage output to number of attacks, modifiers such as damage redux, all things that they already have.
without new additions to complicate matters.
You add more and more new things, new tweaks, new additions, adn to that you complicate matters more and more until it takes so long to do this one thing, that it will take months for any of us to see any results.
In balancing the forms I would take what is there now and do no modifications. If I see say, the ram doing six attacks on average of 150 damage each, and I see the alligator doing 1 attack per round at 300 damage. Ram is doing 3x damage, to make a differnce alligator has a 50% natural damage redux, adn some healing for tactical etc. I would stop there, make modifications, then compare them all to all forms, that is time consuming in itself.
You on the other hand say ok, so lets add weaponbreak and boneshatter to ram, give alligator water breathing, a rolling attack, add more damage, give ram damage redux.
and so forth.
then you create skills for them, give them more diversity.

What I would rather see is the forms equal now, then you add things as you go, I imagine for the way you are doing it, you are using another port, and when you feel alot of changes are ready and updates, you move the info over.
Your way of doing it does take an extreme amount of time because you do so much at once, and what I do say is true, exactly. And here as well you say the pachyderm is not as damage resistant as the armadillo, so it gets more offensive abilities.
incorrect, as I mentioned before in the above information comparing armadillo and pachyderm.

I am not trying to go out of my way to upset you, but I am stating the truth as I see it, as a player. I will not #### off as you do state.

Seriously, while I dislike a few of the forms' utility options myself, I think you're way off base here.

It's a good thing that forms are becoming more diverse, and I can't overstate that fact. Why are warriors so fun to play? Because even though warriors are a very highly played class, any two warriors out there at one time will very likely never be the same (especially with edge choices now too). Giving other classes this type of diversity is key to making CF even more fun to play.

As for the pachyderm, I fail to see how it's any more annoying to fight than any of the other top tier defensive forms (or a couple of the top tier utility, air, and water forms for that matter).


And your general gripe with Zulg is just terrible. I think you're absolutely nuts to attack someone who puts in as much time as he does to make the game a better place. You're not helping yourself or the game here, and it would be best if you just dropped that line of argument altogether.

you misread, I like the utility skills, but please take what we have and balance what we have, before adding new things. take it one step at a time, not 1000 steps and see if what youve done is ok.

I do like diversity, but I do not like stupidity. I do love warriors for this, and my two legacies together I garauntee have never been on any other warrior together before, and I will agree diversity will make the class more fun to play. I never argued any of this.

You havent fought the pachyderm. We will take the armadillo and pachyderm comparison again.
The armadillo and pachyderm are both top tier defensive forms.
For the armadillo to take scratches from a 90 damroll person it has to be in shell, which deals 0 damage per round and midround. For a pachyderm, it takes scratches, and through resist deals 200 damage per two rounds. Keep in mind that is only through resist damage redux.

Crocodile fully protected gets one attack per two or three rounds of 70 or so damage through resist.
even fully wanded against me it got its ass beat even with healing fairly well. As tlingit, I am basing it off of him. If you have hte log post away tlingit.
It has the same defensive tough skin as the armadillo, much more than the crocodile, but it also has 3x the offensive ability as the crocodile. Did I mention to have that much damage redux, an armadillo has 0 damage output?

if you can read all this, which I am certain you can, then you can see how it is more annoying to fight than any of the other top tier defensive forms.

My gripe is justified, and easily seen and proven. a scion as the pachyderm. Humedalig. The command is snoop. Or he can make a char on a test port, adn give it the pachyderm, and test it himself. I am not the first player to bring it up, I am not the last, nor will I be the last

The fight you are thinking of I didnt have shell of the armadillo or stone skin up, I popped them up after I fled. Also I dont log anything. I wont argue against Zulg as to the forms, They have come a long ways since my origional transmuter back in the day, and are always going to be a work in progress as he keeps them balanced with other new things in game. He has to make tweeks to each form and see how they play out over multiple chars against multiple classes and builds before he can see the complete impact of the tweeks. So I dont expect anything instant there, it was just like how the legacies took a really long time to work fairly well and be balanced. I have to side with zulgy on this one.

As per legacies there are easily seen good legacies and bad legacies. Take the duellist legacy, a high int char, that legacy will aid your dodging, parrying, keep a person from fleeing, etc, in relatively short time.
take the aprrying legacy and dodging legacy. The duellist one gives better on both, than both of those combined.

That is one example, though the only thing is for the less smart races, all you get is the ward and the other, which gives near nil a benefit, and I swear such as with my fela, I stopped parrying at all.
Daresh had one with shadows, it worked 5 of 22 times. There is a stipulation on it saying being as wise as you are smart, so really best only for svirfneblin.

That being said every other race just about is screwed with being assassinate unless you want something fairly gimped that might work sometimes. I took that legacy just to make the game playable to me, didnt help much but gave others the rare annoyance.
There are other muds to play on that dont have morts with modified slay command, that works about as often.

Yes, but then also the time you came with full barrier etc, your healing rate was kicked in its ass, and I was still doing hits / injures on you, and you still have your little damage output. Pachyderm was taking scratches, and having more damage output than yourself and your special guards in total.
I dont expect anything instant either. This has been over a year.

My first response to the stuff you wrote was '#### off you complete plonker!' but the forms are blanced really well by someone who has put a HUGE amount of time into them for OUR enjoyment, not his, OURS!

You compare crocodile to pachyderm and armadillo but you do not compare them fairly.

Defensive damage reduction they appear to rank from most to least:

Armadillo > Pachyderm > Crocodile

Offensive capability they appear to rank from most to least:

Pachyderm > Crocodile > Armadillo

but you neglect to take into consideration that crocodiles have excellent regeneration and are amphibious. This make them much more useful to an exloration and survivability.

This is what Zulghinlour has done to 'balance' them in terms of usefulness. Not every form is about the toe-to-toe PK but they all have the capability of getting stuck in to PK fights.

I wont respond further but you are dead wrong on most issues.

-----Abernyte

i did in fact mention the crocs regeneration in another response somewhere down the line, and the damage reduction as they appear is not as you mentioned it.

Pachyderm and armadillo both take scratches from damage. And that is it. I mentioned it as well that in order for the armadillo to have teh reduction the pachyderm has, it has to be in its shell. It deals no damage, while the pachyderm outdamages EVERY defensive form out there, including the other that rakes, has chance to plague etc.

crocodile has poor offensive ability, but great damage redux and healing yes, to get the damage to hits and injures, its regeneration is reduced greatly, and as said, even then fully protected is nowhere near what pachyderm is.

I'd roll the bones over getting one any time. Armadillo won't win a PK fight alone, even against a fairly weak opponent.

I agree that the Armadillo might not be as fun as the other defensive forms. But do you really play a def form to win PK fights?

Daresh was a mighty char. Doing damage out of the ordenary. To bad you screwed up your thried by bashing the game.

Balance in the game is that not one char combo will always the be greatest. And this it what I love about CF. All chars have big advantages in some cases and will get wooped easaly in others.

So your setup had a hard time killing the Pachyderm, make a mace/dagger spec and go out and take down all them shifters. Or mace/spear will do. Most forms will go down quite quick as most shifters still only gear for hp. Or make a necro and sleep/spellup it.

The balance in the game is that all classes can be beat.


Also side note.
Having seen the Pachyderms and Armadillo from the other side. The Armadillo does have more dam reduction. When in its shell it takes 1 damage per hit. Pachyderms takes 3-5.

Good luck with work and hope to see you in the fields again when you have time.

Haven't been around in awhile, but reading this I felt I should say something...

A ####in' Man.

You da man, Zulg.

>>I do have to mention theras pbase doesnt support proper lich vs >>others fights anymore. There just arent enough people. I remember >>without pets fighting against four and more people solo, and
>>kicking ass. If ahtieli did that he couldnt take it from what I >>have seen, but he wouldnt have to now a days.

Currient mediocare player is >= top player of the past. Just search for logs with Nep's liches, wish I had such enemies

Number of players is also lower which means that you have less phylacteries, you rarely have a lot of different phylacteries. For example after double exp weekends I got tons of warrior and shifter phylacteries because there were a lot warriors and shifters. Before that I had tons of paladin phylacteries because there were tons of fort paladins but I was lack of warrior and shifter phylacteries and so on. Invoker phylacteries are VERY rare today while you could have plenty of such in past. I don't even speak about necro phylacteries

>>no offense to you ahtieli, I had to deal with it, things like a >>mongoose, three paladins, a bard against me and my army. army dies >>fast x.x

I had worse groups to fight with. Mind you 3 currient mediocare paladins + bard would pwned your face. Though we have anti-gang code now and you did not have it in past.

>>I had to deal with it, you dont.

I have to deal with it too.

>>I think it was the pale white phylactery that had two charges of
>>the permenant damage redux on it, those were much more common back
>>then. That was changed to some other name though.

I don't think that any lich got this phylactery during last 4 years. Nor I think they need it now.

I don't really up to commenting gang thing. Yea I did quite a bit of ganging there was a reason though but to understand me you should probably try lich and how they work now a days.

btw I loved Pelrin, we had some interesting rp going so I was missing you.

i swear I replied to this and I dont see it, so replying again.

>>I do have to mention theras pbase doesnt support proper lich vs >>others fights anymore. There just arent enough people. I remember >>without pets fighting against four and more people solo, and
>>kicking ass. If ahtieli did that he couldnt take it from what I >>have seen, but he wouldnt have to now a days.
Currient mediocare player is >= top player of the past. Just search for logs with Nep's liches, wish I had such enemies

I was around during those days. I was fighting the wolverine, yeti, the liches, and by their side. I was there the day istendil raided the tree (I was empirial then) and died at the inner guardian because of his hell gear, though we had fought also five warders or so there plus pets. x.x
To me the nowadays players just seem inexperienced except for a few people here and there. I dont see them as having lasted better a long time ago.
And as far as neppies enemies, he just made it look easy, trust me, his liches kicked much ass. I worship the rotted ground he walked on.



Number of players is also lower which means that you have less phylacteries, you rarely have a lot of different phylacteries. For example after double exp weekends I got tons of warrior and shifter phylacteries because there were a lot warriors and shifters. Before that I had tons of paladin phylacteries because there were tons of fort paladins but I was lack of warrior and shifter phylacteries and so on. Invoker phylacteries are VERY rare today while you could have plenty of such in past. I don't even speak about necro phylacteries

my response to this, yeah thats true. Too tired to really think of that, and sorry about it. As far as necro I was gonna make a necro but went arcane instead because I really wanted to test out a more melee version of the class dealing with other variants of their spells etc, so you didnt get an empirial necro, the nexan arcane was born. sry again


I had worse groups to fight with. Mind you 3 currient mediocare paladins + bard would pwned your face. Though we have anti-gang code now and you did not have it in past.
>>I had to deal with it, you dont.
I have to deal with it too.

dealing with paladins now only because of the changes to having two handed paladins, and shield paladins. Come on wrath? you have that phylac, I know you do. I dont know though, if it protects against the strike of purity strikes or not, you will have to tell me, if thats so, then yeah a paladin now would be a little tougher, but I dont see any but the really blessed ones like the current elder acolyte elf paladin to be able to stand against you for long. In the past it would have been a cakewalk without a mongoose or lemur in front.

What I mean by saying you dont have to deal with it, is that these days getting a lich hunting partyis alot harder because there is much fewer people to draw from, and then again, fewer of those willing to even attempt fight a lich.
case in point if I were a binder thief, you would never see me.
but the common player now, they dont want to risk death, they dont want to risk anything. Raulken you will not see unless he has help to gang someone. The orc chief you will rarely see unless he has help from people of some fashion. Granted he can still kick ass alone, he prefers not to. This is hte average player that I see. As pelrin I was fighting a mob, had - moves from accelerate, 1 mana or so, and 300 hp by the time the mob was done. After that a ranger ambushed me and killed me, though humerously I had almost killed him first, even without mana etc.
so after I got some of my things back, I told said ranger I was going to take his item and give it to the tribunal. I had time to sleep up, heal, gather some armors and a staff, go to the outland cabal, kill the outer and inner guardian and leave. The ranger had the nerve to say I just got here! It took this long to get here etc etc. He just didnt want to risk death. All these assassins dont fight because they dont want to risk death. All these anti paladins and level sitters, dont want to risk death. Thera is plagued with literal fear and cowardice, of the people that play now as compared to then.
I havent gotten to see you against these groups, only seen you go after few people with not only your armies, but other empirials too. I was the one as pelrin going after and slaughtering groups of three to five. I didnt see you during those times. Please dont think I am going after you with this, I am going by what I saw when I was here.



>>I think it was the pale white phylactery that had two charges of
>>the permenant damage redux on it, those were much more common back
>>then. That was changed to some other name though.
I don't think that any lich got this phylactery during last 4 years. Nor I think they need it now.

the damage redux is sure nice to have though, believe me. didnt think they would have taken that out in the changes, but I do agree, with all the edges and stuff, and the lower pbase, shouldnt be needed. #### melee wise I couldnt hurt you that much as it was x.x though I know I did far better than others solo against you.

I don't really up to commenting gang thing. Yea I did quite a bit of ganging there was a reason though but to understand me you should probably try lich and how they work now a days.

another thing I cant do. I am not playing anymore as I said before, for at least another few months, and I will not roll up a necromancer if team evil is dominating. Why I cant do it, All the new area explore areas, ghoul tunnels etc. I dont even know hte silent tower. I likely wouldnt know the items, and I hate sitting there begging people for info, I hated it as pelrin while needing to know my wands x.x. The only thing I can do is compare to what was then with mine, I likely wont ever have another. As well due to always being told I am too wordy, or I do not say enough with my role etc I doubt I will ever write another role again, at all. imms nearly require it for anything special and as far as I am concerned screw it. I dont do empowered chars for role reasons too.

btw I loved Pelrin, we had some interesting rp going so I was missing you.

I got so many responses from the whole, "Excuse me, but are you my secret admirer?" bit. My favorite response was what the hell did you just say to me? after I told someone that I did not mind if they were hideous, disfigured, or horribly disgusting. It was an orc and he went completely ooc with that, but I was laughing my ass off.
I missed talking with alot of people as pelrin, yeah you one of them, and kikebi, tlingit, some with satebos but he was more of an ignoring me type wanting to keep to his own studies. I am still awake x.x

I was quite impressed by Pelrin, but honestly dude, you need to get over yourself.

Without saying who I was, I found Daresh distinctly unimpressive, and much of what you've said on this thread strikes me as outright hypocritical.

I liked Samsan, He was kinda a slimey thief in ways, which Tlingit didnt completely like. I know you had to have done some of the things to play off of my role, like the slouching and all and not wanting to come to attention at inductions. Overall Samsan was a lot of fun to be around and I enjoyed the interaction, during Samsan's time was when they Spire had a very strong period where we pretty much started to tip the scales against the tree, and also had very strong village opposition. Really good times. Good job on Samsan I liked him.

Pelrin, was a fun char at first you were really fun to interact with then towards the end after the sex change and pregnancy you creeped me out. I'm torn on whether I liked Pelrin or not, because he was basically two different chars throughout his life in the ways he interacted with me.

Daresh, I was looking forward to some fights with you as you were a tough enemy and I like fighting tough ones, I dont like picking on the easy to kill chars like Karen and such so I tried not to fight them unless required by role, I didnt like fighting Gulkra much because it was a poor matchup for them, but they kept bringing it so I had to fight. Daresh looked like I was gonna have a lot of really good fights with the way it was going. The fights with like you, Djabree, Kharnial, Namanrin, Purrtis and a few others really gave me a lot of fun because while I could still control the fight for the most part there was a lot of danger in them if things went wrong. Good job on being a fairly scary rager. I dont measure a CF char based of of PK scarieness alone, I preffer an RP heavy char like Samsan so of your three he was my favorite, he was internally within the Spire very much a foil to Tlingit so it created a lot of fun RP.

actually made samsan because I thought the spire was gonna start gettin raped by the tree with chaos really beginning to take hold on the balance etc not to help them get stronger.
And no, slouching was a thing based off my desc, where it said he was slouching etc constantly, stooped with his back, you forced my char to hurt himself constantly, to which he had to stop. My char was lame dang you, lame! and glad ya liked him.

Pelrin was unemotional, and didnt understand the concepts of emotion. The sex change made him a woman, and pregnant to boot, so he had to become literally a woman, that was much the same in attitude, but lost within himself, unable to understand the hot flashes, the bleeding, the mood changes, and reacted accordingly. It wasnt that I was trying to get off as two different people, but an unemotional person becomming uncomfortably emotional and unable to understand himself.
That was why you got alot of those bizarre tells, and so did everyone it wasnt just you, I had ALOT of fun with that.
Also the whole asking undead etc if they were my secret admirer, etc etc. Telling the liches that I truly did not mind, our offspring would have alot of potential, etc etc. OF all my chars on cf, that was an amazing period few of my chars ever got to posess.