So, I lost my link while I was raiding and got slain by an immortal. I understand your policies and I understand why you have them in place. However, as a suggestion from a player's perspective...the policy sucks.

Changing the current policy in two ways would help: 1. Wait longer than two minutes before slaying someone who has lost link, it can take longer than that to reset a router and wait for a connection, especially with Vista's buggyness. I regained internet in about three minutes by my estimation, but that wasn't quick enough apparently.

2. Maybe talk to someone about what happened before you slay them? Warn them, whatever you like. After one warning then slay them the next time perhaps. Consider how involved a player is too. I had a role from level one, I was involved in a religion, I was in a cabal, I didn't shrink away from fights, etc etc. To be counted as one who would drop link to avoid pk is very frustrating. More frustrating than even losing your gear because you were slain.

Anyway, it is unfortunate because I was having a lot of fun with this character. Eshval, I only met you once but you scared me

Thanks for letting me in Kharnial. Kjrorh you were a beast.

Man, I'm really bummed about this.

Why wouldn't a pattern be established before throwing out a slay. Anyone would take an immslay personally. Isn't throwing out the slay suggesting that the player is cheating?

Maybe I'm way off and a pattern of cheating HAS been established with the player, I've no idea.

Anyways, my two cents et all.

this out to be about a death over the slay?

xoxo

I was there and the scenario was possibly looking bad, but this is what happened.

Malsius was attacking Maran, I was setting traps at Maran. I attacked Maran. Only person in my range or his range came in (elf warrior). That elf warrior hit my trap, and was put to sleep for 6 ticks. Malsius threw a few blindness dusts and smoke dusts, then said "Ready?" about 2 ticks total, I said "Wait", then he lost link. He honestly was not in any danger, because by the time the elf warrior woke up, Malsius had retrieved and was just sitting there link dead and not in anyone's pk (link dead protection). 4 minutes passed before elf warrior woke and he had never engaged Malsius directly other than being hit by blindness and poison dust.

Not that it matters, and I'm not trying to defend him, and understand the policy. Sometimes it just sucks. Too bad he went out though, because Malsius, you were pretty solid from my point of view.

Hey, thanks for writing this, that's exactly what happend. On a side note, I still can't figure out why an immortal would assume someone would be dropping link to avoid pk during the *middle* of a fight. It's so much riskier than simply fleeing and quaffing. Blows my mind.

The elf warrior wasn't who killed/attacked him.

I was just beginning to enjoy our new dynamic.

Magrath's player.

MALLLLSSSIIIUUUUUSS!
You made me dead. A lot, but oh well, it was fun. We had a permanent game of tag going, with you being it and the tagging being me getting stabbed a lot.
So we had a nice chat before you left off, and a nice little two deaths from me--You were an interesting fellow when you weren't embedding a dagger in my stomach. I enjoyed our last chat, even though I lost some constitution for it, I'm sure it was worthwhile.

Was hoping to make you my first arch enemy. Sometimes you need one of those.

You were I believe either gushing or bleeding wounds before you dropped link. The Immortal gave it awhile and you didn't return, so you got slayed.

It happens to the best of us - but you shouldn't have deleted over one death like this. I even returned quite a majority of the gear (granted I wouldn't have taken that much if you died normally but I didn't want it to go to the pit so I looted it all and gave you what was left over).

I actually lost my link before you even logged on, according to the mud my link was dropped quite some time thereafter.

That's a real shame.. I sort of liked you.

For what it's worth, I had at least two deaths to link issues as Mizfara. Neither of them were imm slays- I just got killed by people I could have otherwise escaped from if I hadn't been linkdead. One of them resulted in me losing strange bracers and humansunder. All this to say- one death to link problems is probably not worth deleting your character over.

Yeah, that is quite a bit to lose because of a dead link. What really upset me about this particularly instance was the the fact that an imm slayed me for 'dropping link to avoid pk', and if they had taken any time to observe the circumstances it would have been glaringly obvious that it wasn't the case. I just feel like they dropped the ball on this one. I didn't delete just because this happened, I've deleted due to my previously mentioned frustration while I ponder if I will continue playing at all or take another very long break.

>Yeah, that is quite a bit to lose because of a dead link.
>What really upset me about this particularly instance was the
>the fact that an imm slayed me for 'dropping link to avoid
>pk', and if they had taken any time to observe the
>circumstances it would have been glaringly obvious that it
>wasn't the case.

Having reviewed the logs, I support the call that was made. You initiated combat; very shortly thereafter you went linkdead. You didn't reconnect for over six minutes.

The only reasonable alternative to how we currently handle these situations would be for being linkdead to never protect you from anything if you've fought at all recently; in this case, you also would have almost certainly died.

Just thought i'd chime in.

Square of the Clarion
This grand square is dominated by a huge statue of a storm giant in the
middle. He is raised on a round pedestal and surrounded by a ring of short
green shrubs. The pedestal is circular, and ringed by benches for the citizens
to rest on and watch the flow of the city. The white paving stones are laid
out in a circular pattern, emanating out from the central pedestal. The same
white stone is used in the buildings surrounding the square. Wide avenues lead
north and east into the city, and south toward the docks of Southharbor. A
huge gatehouse rises up to the west.


A huge marble statue of a righteous storm giant stands on a broad pedestal.
Malsius the human is here.

<639hp 650m 147mv 19229tnl (-25.68%)> rake mal
You rake your claws across his body.
Your raking claws *** DEMOLISHES *** Malsius!
Your raking claws *** DEMOLISHES *** Malsius!
Malsius is DEAD!!
Malsius's head is shattered, and his brains splash all over you.

<639hp 650m 147mv 19229tnl (-25.68%)> l in corpse
revThe corpse of Malsius contains:
(Glowing) (Humming) a pair of darkened boots
a small coral ring
some worn studded leather leggings
(Glowing) (Humming) a guardian sword
a small glass prism
a bloody silver scimitar named 'Last Caress'
( 2) (Glowing) (Humming) an Arkham signet ring
the chitinous shell of a rainbow runner
an eog ring studded with turquoise
a metal canteen insulated in a wolf's pelt

<644hp 630m 172mv 19229tnl (-25.68%)> rev
You concentrate a moment and return to your normal shape.
You maintain the hardness of your skin as you shapeshift.
You maintain your speed as you shapeshift.

<644hp 624m 172mv 19229tnl (-25.68%)>

nt

I initiated combat with who? I lost link as I was fighting the Tara'bal, no way I could have initiated combat with anyone. I used poisondust on an elf who was knocked out by a blackjack right before then but he was still passed out. Not possible that I initiated combat.

P.S. Supposing that I did initiate combat...which was impossible, it wouldn't make a whole lot of since for me to drop link to avoid pk...if I wanted to avoid it I wouldn't have initiated a fight...so either way the logic is bunk.

A reasonable way to handle the situation would be to allow more time for someone to reconnect before assuming they are trying to cheat, even if you don't want to spend the time to talk to them about it or give them a warning or what have you. This isn't an either/or case, you can modify your policy to something more reasonable without doing away with it completely.

Also, I would have rather put my fate in the hands of a player who may have noticed I wasn't performing any actions and might have left me alone (as I have done this for other people several times).

>A reasonable way to handle the situation would be to allow
>more time for someone to reconnect before assuming they are
>trying to cheat, even if you don't want to spend the time to
>talk to them about it or give them a warning or what have you.

We tried that once upon a time; it turns out what happens is that a large chunk of the playerbase (not most, but enough) will drop link any time they realize they're going to die and can't escape it, and take their chances.

I'm never happy when rules need to be made the way they are and inconvienience the cool players because of the biggest jackass players, but in this case I think the cool players benefitted overall.

This player is uncool and thus our policy works as intended.

nt

I remember a CF where 20-30% of PKs ended up with the losing guy dropping link.

That this isn't the case anymore is worth, to me, taking a death when I might not have very occasionally.

Look, I'm not calling you a liar, but what you think happened and what the logs say happened don't really line up.

Maybe your poison smoke went through somehow way later? I don't even know.

I had it happen under similar circumstance and I too deleted.

On the flip side I report link droppers myself but ask that they aren't slain unless i feel its intentional. If there is a pattern the Imms can catch it.

Personally it only takes a single negative interaction from an Imm to ruin the fun of a character for me but only because Im distrustful of authority by my nature.

That sucks. You should've stuck by it...I've been slain once or twice in the past (and yes, at least once was through an 'accidental' headbutt).

I'm not really one to give advice, but if you want to be in an involved character, have some sort of goal in mind that isn't your usual 'oh I'm evil and powerhungry and induct me' role. I swear to god, I sometimes have to try NOT to teleport/word and quit out when I interview some people with the same recycled role over and over and over and over...

Besides, if you have an involved role, things like this wouldn't bum/burn you out as quick.

I did have an involved role, and what wasn't written I had in my thoughts. To be honest I wasn't exactly sure how to approach the interview because I haven't played a Scion in nine years. I guess that showed.

Ah well.

Gluck with your next.

Okay, look at it from someone's point of view who's pondering rolling a Scion right now. What's a 'different role' for Scion? All I see in the help files are 'evil for evil's sake through magic'.

I'm not saying it can't be more complicated, I'm just not seeing it. And all those people who annoy you don't know they just repeated the same thing the one before you did.

So, what would be different?

The only reason I don't role a Scion is I can't seem to figure out what the hell the cabal is all about.

I'll probably send out a note regarding this shortly since some applicants don't seem to grasp what I'm asking about.

Essentially, everyone who applies to scions are going to be powerhungry and seek out the prophecy and whatnot. The question is, why are you so special as opposed to everyone else, from both a personal standpoint and from that of a scion standpoint. IE Minvil had connection with Trel'ran (sp?) that I thought would eventually pan out to helping with the prophecy. I can recruit the most badass guy, but without really a purpose or infamy (you won't have infamy at level 30 with 15 hours under his belt), why not just string you about and keep you guessing? What actual purpose of your RP dedicates that you should/need to join the Scions?

Yes, I know it's a little more specific than Igbah, but I think in the end, the extra bit of RP would make it more fun.

Which reminds me, I have to update my role. Haven't done it since I made Chancellor...dammit.

Maybe you should seek out others that you want to join your cabal, rather then have applicants. That way they can be evil and power hungry enough for your standards.

Unfortunately, with the game mechanics and the amount of player, not to mention it's hard to RP enough to get to that point considering time constraints, that's just not feasible.

Of course, if someone sticks it out like Harkan, that'd be awesome.

gr

You were a nuisance when I was trying to rank. Really really annoying.

Sorry about that. Just know you aren't the only one who has trouble with people interfering with your ranking