Tue Jan 11 19:03:45 2005

At 4 o'clock AM, Day of the Great Gods, 12th of the Month of the Frost Giant
on the Theran calendar Naref perished, never to return.

And from what i saw when i bailed, the Fort needed it. Unfortunately I haven't played at all since Shisi, so I don't know how it worked out for you(Ahelun aside). But from what I saw beforehand you were the best man for the job at the time. Hope you had some of the fun with responsibility that I never got to .

You've said your piece. Now drop it.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

nt

at deleting most interesting posts?

Every time I get attracted by sincere farewell thread and I have high hopes to read what people ACTUALLY think, to find out their REAL opinion, my expectations immediately are broken by a few words like "edited by Valguarnera".
I'm somewhat sick to read alike farewells like "I enjoyed you all. I liked all of you, thank very much, *kiss*, *hug*. Immortals - you all are great, my enemies - I had multiplied orgasms while roleplaying with you. *kiss*, *hug* ". Basically, you read such posts and then realize that it was just plain waste of time.

Can Valguarnera be a bit slower?
Perhaps I should create a rule to visit these forums while he is asleep .
And read the stuff BEFORE he manages to torture it.
I consider myself as a mature person, and I believe I don't need somebody who will think for me and provide censorship for me, I'm able to handle it myself.

You'll notice that we don't care if people post constructive negative feedback- there's any number of examples of that in this thread, as well as all over the page. Posts get trimmed or deleted if they devolve into name-calling flamewars and the like. We've seen the signal-to-noise on places where that is allowed- it declines until it's useless (often counterproductive, even) to hold a discussion.

That won't be changing.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

Well I created Naref completely around the role of being a priest of the orb. This is also my first shaman, and I wanted to explore the class. I didn't want to be leader, I had no intention of being leader, but I did the best I could as leader. Shokai pulled Shisi and I aside, and even though ooc I was swearing a cursing because I knew what was about to happen, I sucked it up and just accepted it. Besides do you really tell a god you refuse what he has imposed on you?

In my tenure as leader I uninducted one person, and didn't let one other be a squire. After those two there has been a constant rain of crap ooc, and it just completely destroyed this character for me. When people weren't bitching about me not being a hero yet, they were complaining about other random things. Plus I love how after uninducted Ahelun starts bringing random people to yell arguments with me while I'm trying to speak to applicants in the fortress. But anyway I digress.

Wungar- You're the man, I just have to say. We had some differences of opinion on raiding and a few others, but you were always supporting. I really hope things go the way I hope for you.

Dralgarth- You and I could have done a lot more together, but every time I woke up it was a dozen tells from lowbies, and time to raid once or twice or retrieve. You were really dependable.

Kelin- I was uncomfortable with you once I was made leader. It's awkward being above the old veterans. They fort really needs you, I'd just encourage you to spend a little less time in places where you can't hear to defend, or come to other's aid. Other wise you're a beast.

Shokai- Sorry I didn't stick around longer, hope I did all right in your eyes. And sorry to say it, I won't be back to maran in a long time after this. The torrent of crap has at least temporarily ruined this cabal for me. (Mostly the ooc stuff, but some ic as well) All I'd ask of you, is try to revive the acolytes if you could please.

Restraal- Hell of a lot of fun fighting you, just couldn't pin you down. My biggest frustration with this class in general, I can't land a single damn prayer on you. I also liked our talks.

Akscereh- Unless they beefed panther back up, I don't understand how you do so well with that form, big time kudos. It was hard to have any kind of conversation with you though. Damn good shifter.

Ceiekalak- Thanks for leaving my stuff, I knew I should have worded after the watcher fell. I still say emperor stuff is way over powered heh.

Well this will be my last post on here, sorry if I forgot anyone, later.

I hate it when people whine about being made a leader of a Cabal. If you dont want to be, just say no. Sheesh.

I liked Naref, and thought he seemed like a good leader. I had the opportunity to observe him from 'the other side,' and I liked what I saw. When there were three other Maran sitting in the inn yapping, Naref was raiding the Empire. When other Maran were snickering and carrying on like six-year olds and saying there was no point in trying to do anything besides kill me, Naref was talking to me about the virtues of the light and trying to coax me to his side.

This is a death thread, and I'd like some of Naref's good features to be remembered.

Great job.

Resty

*snip* Post edited. Knock off the pissing match.

I knew you early on in your characters life with another of my characters. We ranked together. We hunted together some. You seemed to have a good grasp on shamans, and you seemed to be a good strong squire.

Fast forward a couple of weeks to Ahelun. You had recently been made Captain. Shisi inducted me. I log in for the first time since I got inducted and you got made Captain. I see you on with 3 others, all of you in the hero ranges. I get excited thinking to myself "NOW there's gonna be some ass kicking!", and go to the Watcher to find out which items we have and....we had the orb.

So I'm thinking to myself "Well, maybe there's Imperials or Scions on in big numbers, and maybe if it was a close thing a raid'll be a go now that I'm here and can do some healing for them". I do a who, and not only are there no Imperials on who are even close to being in the Hero ranges, but the only ones on are bloodoaths in MY range. Only scion on is Hylondin. Being a good Squire, I say over the cabal channel that there's little opposition to the taking of the scepter and Codex, and suggest we should go get them. What do I get from you? Nothing but a talking down to about being calm.

This set the tone for every single interaction I ever had with you. I'd log in. You would be on with several other heroes in the Fort, we'd have little or no opposition, and neither item. I'd suggest we go and take them, and you'd tell me to settle down, then log out without moving on either cabal. You seemed to lose all testicular fortitude when you hit the hero range or got captain, I don't know which. You also seemed to lose any clue about what was going on around you.

I started to resent you, both as a character and as a player. My character resented you for what he perceived as fear of his goddess.

The night you uninducted me was just more of the same. You said I was the one in the wrong for what someone ELSE did to piss me off, totally ignoring anything even close to reality. You said I berated Ryaghort, which just didn't happen. Then you just wouldn't let the thing go, even after both Ryaghort and I had. I'm fighting off raiders, defending the Maran, healing him up, and the entire time I'm trying to coordinate a cabal defense (a job that should have been yours I'll add) you were busy bitching at me nonstop.


The absolute worst though was the night I was with a Fortress applicant. There were plenty of Marans and Squires on. Ginharq located both Scepter and Codex in their cabals. I take this Squire applicant and we take both items, and hand them off to Manueli to give to the Watcher. I go to the Fort with the app because he wants to ask you why he and I had to go and get the items, even though neither of us was in the Fort. You told him you had "better things to do, and your squires could easily go and get the items for you". Then when he asked you why they hadn't then, you actually had the unmitigated gall to say "We currently guard both items, so my point is proven". The ONLY reason they were even there was because of our work. Not you, not your squires, and yet YOU were the one acting as if you had done something worthwhile.

What is needed is a STRONG leader who has a clear idea of how to get things done.

All you ever seemed to be any good at was talking.

You can feel free to dispute any or all of this, but the second you do, I post the logs. Do everyone a favor, and just roll a Herald next time. Then you can sit around talking all you like.

Some *snip*: Knock off the pissing match

The reason I was in the fortress often is because I was summoning applicants in to talk to them in reasonable safety. I decided this after two applicants had been killed in front of me in other locations. Try having a clue before you talk.

**All right here is some back story as to what is going on. We raided the chasm, we finish
off the archmage, and all of a sudden Ahelun starts yelling at Ryaghort. Apparently Ahelun
asked Ryaghort not to destroy the bodies for his art, and again Ryaghort forgot. Now if
Ahelun would have handled this even half maturely, I would have only been talking to
Ryaghort to stress his brother's faith and wishes. However Ahelun can't seem to control
his anger around other members, and then starts recanting and back tracking when caught
in a corner. This is only a partial log.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ryaghort tells you 'I sorry boss iv I vere ze cause ov dissent in ze Brigade.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'I don't believe I ever said he was unfit to be my brother. But you can't expect someone to disregard my beliefs repeatedly and then still stand there smiling and not saying anything'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl tell ahelun Did he not apologize?
You tell Ahelun 'Did he not apologize?'



781/781hp 912/912m 736/737mv 16367tnl Ahelun tells you 'Apologies really mean nothing when the one giving it continues to repeat what he is apologizing for'

**Ryaghort's character is fairly low in intelligence, and has problems remember some things
but I'm betting if this had been brought to my attention, and talked to him about it. It
would not have happened again.**


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl reply So you cannot find it in your heart to forgive him?
You tell Ahelun 'So you cannot find it in your heart to forgive him?'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'I never said that either. But you can't expect me to not be angry.'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl reply I never said you couldn't be, but you aren't going to stand there and yell at him either.
You tell Ahelun 'I never said you couldn't be, but you aren't going to stand there and yell at him either.'




781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say We stood right there, do I really need to take a vote?
You say 'We stood right there, do I really need to take a vote?'



781/781hp 760/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'I screamed at the destruction of my work, but I didn't berate or yell at him.'

**So here it goes from "I didn't yell" to "that's not what I was yelling about", so trapped
in a lie already.**

781/781hp 760/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'You can't spit on my faith repeatedly and not expect a strong reaction.'


781/781hp 787/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'What would you do, were someone to continually defacate in your Lords shrine?'

781/781hp 820/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'You'd be angry, just as I was.'


781/781hp 843/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say You are finding yourself dangerously close to leaving our halls, you can either cool your temper, or you can go.
You say 'You are finding yourself dangerously close to leaving our halls, you can either cool your temper, or you can go.'


781/781hp 843/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'I'm not by any means saying he is unfit or that I don't wish him to be around, but you can't expect me to not be angry either.'


781/781hp 843/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say I'll leave it up to you, a paladin is fair in word and deed?
You say 'I'll leave it up to you, a paladin is fair in word and deed?'

781/781hp 872/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'MY temper? I've been far calmer about this than I think anyone could resonably expect me to be'

**Which basically says to me if another accident happens with a corpse, it's going to get
worse. I will not tolerate in-fighting.**


781/781hp 900/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'You keep accusing me of belittling him, which I did not do, then berating him which I also did not do.'

**He stood yelling at a fellow squire in the shroud of our enemy, poor taste in location.
Also: BERATE-To scold or rebuke angrily. He already admitted he was yelling when caught
in a corner.**


781/781hp 900/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'He has repeatedly, KNOWINGLY violated my beliefs'

**It was an accident.**


781/781hp 900/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'and somehow in your eyes I am at fault?'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say So, can you accept his apology or not?
You say 'So, can you accept his apology or not?'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl Ahelun says 'I already did. But you can't very well expect me to not be angry if he continues to dishonor my faith '



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say You can be angry, but you can handle it like a mature person eh?
You say 'You can be angry, but you can handle it like a mature person eh?'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'It's I think a very simple request on my part. It doesn't even take any action on his part.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'He has to take action to violate it in fact,.'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Now at some later date, if he has another accident, is this going to happen again?
You say 'Now at some later date, if he has another accident, is this going to happen again?'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Or any of our brothers for that matter.


You say 'Or any of our brothers for that matter.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Not just Ryaghort.
You say 'Not just Ryaghort.'




781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'Had it been anyone else I would not have reacted so strongly. He had just done the same thing not moments before.'

**All right, so here I'm a little hopeful. It's starting to sound like an isolated incident
and we can maybe work it out.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Aye and if you are upset, or have a disagreement you bring it to me and it will be dealt with.
You say 'Aye and if you are upset, or have a disagreement you bring it to me and it will be dealt with.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'I still don't understand why he spits on my faith and you think I am at fault here. '

**And here we go again. He is at fault for his reaction and immaturity.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say If you hadn't had that outburst I'd be talking to just him right now.
You say 'If you hadn't had that outburst I'd be talking to just him right now.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'I made a simple request.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'He agreed to adhere to it and seems to have no inclination to do so.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'This naturally makes me angry.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'It would make you angry as well, were you to be in my position.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Ahelun I have had enemies do unmentionable things to the Lord of my faith, and I did not react how you did.
You say 'Ahelun I have had enemies do unmentionable things to the Lord of my faith, and I did not react how you did.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Because I control what comes out of my mouth.
You say 'Because I control what comes out of my mouth.'

**I'm trying to explain that someone can have control, even with a known enemy, let alone
a fellow squire.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'Did I call him names? Threaten him? Tell him he was worthless or anything of that nature?'

**Names and threaten, let's explain worse things to make what we did do sound less bad. By
Berating him you lower his, and everyone's morale, and yelling at someone makes them feel
worthless. You don't have to call them worthless. Also keep in mind I have yet let him
make me lose my temper.**


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say If you had threatened him, you would have been out of our halls before you left the chasm.
You say 'If you had threatened him, you would have been out of our halls before you left the chasm.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'Well then why are we even having this conversation? Disrespect for my beliefs I expect from my foes, not my comrades.'

**A fair enough statement, but as we already stated and re-re-re-hashed it was an accident.**


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say I'm going to ask you one question, and I only want one answer.
You say 'I'm going to ask you one question, and I only want one answer.'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'Fine.'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Are we going to have another outburst like we just had?
You say 'Are we going to have another outburst like we just had?'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun says 'I don't know. Is he going to continue to spit on my beliefs?'

**I asked for one answer, for one simple question, and he has to keep arguing. He has just
shown that he can't handle his temper maturely, and it has been, and will likely be again
a detriment to the fortress. So I base the next action on the "what is the worst thing
that could happen to a Maran?", because his temper is harming the cause.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl induct ahelun none
Ahelun has been inducted into None.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl say Leave.
You say 'Leave.'




**and it continues.**








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Ahelun tells you 'Nice to see religious persecution for your supposed "brothers" captain'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb Ahelun has been removed from our halls.
Naref: Ahelun has been removed from our halls.


781/781hp 912/912m 736/737mv 16367tnl who fortress
<36 Storm War> Ryaghort the Victorious Champion
*51 Human Sha* (PK) Naref Belatolis the Holy of Faith, Captain of the Brigade
<51 Human Tra> (PK) Ginharq the High Sorceress of the Arcane

Players found: 3

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb *sigh*
Naref: *sigh*

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb And tonight was going so well.
Naref: And tonight was going so well.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ginharq: Was meditatin a moment sorry. What did he do wrong?


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ginharq: Him has fought hard for the Light

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb He cannot control his temper around his bretheren, is pretty much the jist of it.
Naref: He cannot control his temper around his bretheren, is pretty much the jist of it.



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb If he manages to find control of his temper, he may find his way back in, but that is up to him.
Naref: If he manages to find control of his temper, he may find his way back in, but that is up to him.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ryaghort: I zinks he vill hunt me vor zis or some such, as he feel I vere 'pissing' on zere faith.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb Then he will be marked as a betrayer I am sure, and lose the powers of the paladin.
Naref: Then he will be marked as a betrayer I am sure, and lose the powers of the paladin.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'Believe me when I say I will be taking this up witht he skyborn. I'll not tolerate your hatred and religious prejudice masked in righteousness Naref.'



781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl tell ahelun Did you not understand one question and one answer?
You tell Ahelun 'Did you not understand one question and one answer?'



781/781hp 907/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl tell ahelun You cannot control your temper, that is why you are now outside.
You tell Ahelun 'You cannot control your temper, that is why you are now outside.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'I understood fine, but you have always treated me poorly for my beliefs.'

**This is the most I've ever talked to the guy. Until this incident, I didn't even know he
was a paladin of the Muse. Shisi inducted him.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl tell ahelun If you ever think you have found control of it, you may apply once more.
You tell Ahelun 'If you ever think you have found control of it, you may apply once more.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'To be led by you? A coward who masks his hatred behind a mask of brotherhood?'

**And here we go with the anger, after I just offered him an "olive leaf", and tried to give
hope that he is not permanently gone.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl tell ahelun And yet Maikra works just fine with me eh?
You tell Ahelun 'And yet Maikra works just fine with me eh?'

**Maikra is another muse follower.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'He's semdom around and you know it. Apples and oranges. He's also not a priest of the religion.'

**Now he doesn't like that I get along with another muse follower, and tries to word around
it.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl reply Apprentice to the muse isn't a priest of the religion?
You tell Ahelun 'Apprentice to the muse isn't a priest of the religion?'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'Not a true priest, not as you and I are. Don't play the same wordgames you have been all along. it demeans you.'

**Semantics.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ryaghort: Ja, zey got lot ov hate... Dat dangerous vor maran life, ja.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl reply I've had enough, you pursue it with Lord Shokai, you'll probably be disappointed there as well.
You tell Ahelun 'I've had enough, you pursue it with Lord Shokai, you'll probably be disappointed there as well.'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
someone: A sad day indeed.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
someone: But there be still hope for em.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'I intend to. I'll not have the glorious forces of the light being forced into subjugation to your prejudice.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb Well he just called me a bigot and a coward, I don't know.
Naref: Well he just called me a bigot and a coward, I don't know.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
someone: Perhaps his anger is cloudin his mind too much now

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'my actions as a Maran, my hunting of the dark, my healing of the light have been completely above reproach. now you dismiss me for being angry with someone who violates my beliefs. And you call yourself a good being?'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb Which is why I removed him, I asked him a simple question, and he had to keep arguing.
Naref: Which is why I removed him, I asked him a simple question, and he had to keep arguing.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl tell ahelun Being a killer doesn't make you a good Maran.
You tell Ahelun 'Being a killer doesn't make you a good Maran.'

**Doing your duty is the minimum of being in the fortress, again it's the anger issue that
has become his downfall.**

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
someone: Aye. Discipline is important in the Brigade.



781/781hp 912/912m 736/737mv 16367tnl
someone: Reckon respect of elders bein the simplest.

781/781hp 912/912m 736/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'and I suppose helping to keep the Maran alive, defending the Fortress and dying to preserve the light...none of that matters to you either.'

**Never said he didn't do his job.**

781/781hp 912/912m 736/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'all you see is my goddess and your own petty views'

**Already proved his religion doesn't matter to me, rehash.**



781/781hp 912/912m 736/737mv 16367tnl reply I have kneeled to your goddess in respect, so I have no idea what you speak of.
You tell Ahelun 'I have kneeled to your goddess in respect, so I have no idea what you speak of.'


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'Yes you do. He is supposed to be my brother, and continually destroys things I ask him not to, and you find fault with ME.'

**Rehash, we've already covered that it was an accident. If he could keep his mouth under
control he wouldn't have even got a talking to, it would have been Ryaghort."

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ahelun tells you 'Your prejudice is clear as day to one not willingly blinded to the truth'

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl cb Well on that note, I think it's time to rest.
Naref: Well on that note, I think it's time to rest.

781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
Ryaghort: Ju be vell, boss captain.


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl
someone: Rest well then Captain.


781/781hp 912/912m 737/737mv 16367tnl quit
the Watcher: Rest well, Naref, the Light remains strong.
Awaiting the hour of reprisal, your time slips away...

*snip* Knock off the pissing match.

You also left out the event itself. Let me refresh your memory in my next post.

But anyway go ahead.

You say 'Which items do you hold. noble one?'
The Watcher says 'A brilliant white altar contains a radiant crystal orb.'

(510hp 454m 474mv 21018tnl -9.47%) who
<36 Storm War> (PK) Ryaghort the Victorious Champion
<18 Felar Ran> Arimus the Ranger Candidate
< 1 H-Drw Nec> Ansuz the Apprentice of Magic
<12 Arial Thi> Samaine the Swindler
< 7 Human War> Nolinus the Sentry
*36 Elf Pal* (PK) Ahelun the Templar General
<34 Svirf War> Imobach the Warrior of the Shield, Magistrate of Seantryn Modan
<18 W-Elf Ran> Tanalis the Ranger Candidate
<21 Cloud Ran> Aerac the Ranger of the Third Circle
<11 Elf War> Sirallion the Bodyguard
<12 Human Shf> Jeriranad the Theurgist
<27 H-Drw Nec> Vendron the Master Animator
< 3 W-Elf Ran> Cyrene the Forester
<50 Human Sha> Naref Belatolis the Avatar, Captain of the Brigade
< 1 Elf Hea> Pyrameth the Believer
<10 H-Elf Asn> Eldric the 2nd Black
<35 Elf Inv> (PK) Dristialan the Wizard of Water
< 5 Duerg War> Drakan the Cadet
<20 Human Nec> Anitcalen the Necromancer
<12 Svirf Thi> Gealoibus the Swindler
<51 Human Con> Hrathani the Planewalker
<34 Elf Con> (PK) Latyricus the Communer of the Higher Powers
<24 Svirf War> Gnashmicnar the Knight, Magistrate of Hamsah Mu'tazz
<33 Elf Tra> Camthalion the Greater Transmuter
<51 Gnome Thi> Hipsin Hingledorf the Boot of the Unseen, Kingpin of Galadon
<51 Gnome Shf> Grollina the Grand Mistress of Changelings
<29 Min War> Rheiseth the Combatant
<11 Human War> Vantnor the Bodyguard
<35 Storm War> Yintrik the Warrior of the Blade
<34 Fire A-P> (PK) Rogedar the General of Legion
<51 Human War> (WANTED) Cathoria the Legend of the Battlefield
<51 Human Shf> Akscereh Surioth the Chancellor of the Night, Inspired Artiste
< 5 W-Elf War> Jaiakira the Cadet
<31 D-Elf Nec> Meltranya the Demon Summoner
<27 H-Drw Tra> Meronir the Student of the Arcane
< 7 Elf Thi> Daegurtha the Rascal
<51 Dwarf Pal> Wungar the Avenger of the Righteous
<40 Min Sha> (PK) Krackleshah the Keeper of Faith, Imperial Acolyte
<43 Human Pal> (PK) Xarian the Champion of the Templars
<18 Gnome Tra> Rumitol the Sorcerer
<42 Elf Thi> (PK) Brynne the Whisper
< 9 Svirf War> Sukimara the Skirmisher
< Fire AVA> Muuloc the Smith of the Iron Furnace, Black Prophet of the Muse
<21 H-Drw Asn> Enruhl the Master of Atemi Waza
<51 Human Tra> Ginharq the High Sorceress of the Arcane
<51 Arial Inv> Hylondin Hil'guard the Weaver of the Elements
<38 Duerg A-P> (PK) Daegghak the Invoker of Suffering
<51 D-Elf Hea> Xalvime Ghar'Beoran the Protector of Faith
<26 Fire War> Mack the Vanguard
<26 Storm Pal> Hanos the Templar Initiate
<25 Fire War> Growlow the Tactician, Bloodoathed of the Empire
<24 Arial A-P> Noliarus the Ruthless

Players found: 52

(510hp 454m 474mv 21018tnl -9.47%)

Ahelun: Do the Scions and Empire hold their items?

Wungar: yes

***Ok, no defenders on for the Empire in the hero range. there's two for me but I can't see the assassin. He's around though. Sooo...***

Ahelun: Shall we remedy both situations?

Wungar: en a bit

Naref: Soon.

You mutter quietly to yourself.

(510hp 527m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%) where

Ginharq says 'Many scions about.'

(510hp 527m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%) People near you:
(PK) Ahelun The Altar Room
Ginharq The Altar Room

(510hp 527m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%)
Ginharq says 'Lesser now.'

(510hp 527m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%) say Soon, soon always soon
You say 'Soon, soon always soon'

(510hp 527m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%)
Ginharq laughs at your humorous antics.

(510hp 527m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%) ,stomps his foot impatiently.
Ahelun stomps his foot impatiently.

Ginharq says 'Patience, part of warfare.'

You say 'Waiting for old age to take my foes has never been my preferred method of dealing with them'

(510hp 561m 481mv 21018tnl -9.47%)
Wungar: gainin naref es final rank

Ryaghort: I come to join in ze raid, vhen ve ready.

Ahelun: Ryaghort! My friend I'm sorry I didn't notice you sooner.


***The story switches to Ryaghort. We'd travelled some, and he has on at least two previous occasions sacced corpses I left behind for religious reasons. This happens while I'm killing time waiting for Naref to get to the Fortress to lead the raid. .***

(483hp 412m 481mv 20998tnl -9.36%)
You parry an imprisoned arial's slice.
You parry an imprisoned arial's slice.
An imprisoned arial parries your slash.
Your slash DISMEMBERS an imprisoned arial!
An imprisoned arial is DEAD!!
You receive 48 experience points.
An imprisoned arial's severed head plops on the ground.

(483hp 412m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort has arrived.

(483hp 412m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort sacrifices the corpse of an imprisoned arial to the gods.

(483hp 412m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)

Autosaving.
You are hungry.

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort mutters something quietly to himself.

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort sighs.

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort apologizes profusely.

***He knew he messed up before I even said anything***

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ginharq: There's an imperial thief and assassin in the thirty ranks.

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort says 'I vere sorry vor dat...'

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) where
People near you:
(PK) Ryaghort The Hall of Fire
(PK) Ahelun The Hall of Fire
Ginharq The Altar Room

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) say I'll let it go this once.
You say 'I'll let it go this once.'

(487hp 434m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ryaghort leaves east.

***I let it go. He's now had at least three requests to stop. He CLEARLY knew what he was doing was basically spitting in my face, because he reacted before I got a chance to say anything. But I let it go.***

***Naref finally decides to come along. We go and raid the Empire. Ryaghort doesn't come with us, and while walking around winds up dying to an AP. The Shaman quit out as soon as I hit the Vanquisher and the assassin doesn't come defend against me. After the raid, Wungar couldn't move. The others left him there like this, completely unconcerned about him. I stay with him. ***

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Naref closes his eyes with a look of concentration for a moment.
Naref disappears.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Wungar closes his eyes and hums for an instant.
Some unleavened bread appears before Wungar.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ginharq utters the words, 'wzhabaruq ghixuio'.
A look of lethargy overcomes Wungar as his movements become slow.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Wungar sits down and rests.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) say Homeward bound then, and hopefully I'll run into that Duergar on the way
You say 'Homeward bound then, and hopefully I'll run into that Duergar on the way'
Ginharq stops using fine robes of dark blue silk.
Ginharq wears a large saddle bag about her body.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) where
People near you:
(PK) Ahelun The Imperial Throne Room
Wungar The Imperial Throne Room
Ginharq The Imperial Throne Room

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ginharq nods.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) whoi d
<36 Elf Inv> (PK) Dristialan the Wizard of Ice
< 7 Elf Thi> Daegurtha the Rascal
<38 Duerg A-P> (PK) Daegghak the Invoker of Suffering

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ginharq says 'An hour'

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ginharq sits down and rests.

(506hp 525m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) where

Ginharq stands up.

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) People near you:
(PK) Ahelun The Imperial Throne Room
Wungar The Imperial Throne Room
Ginharq The Imperial Throne Room
Wungar puts a tattered slaves robe in the Bracelet of Charms.
Wungar puts a golden spiritual war hammer in the Bracelet of Charms.

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Ginharq utters the words, 'wzhabaruq ghixuio'.
A look of lethargy overcomes Ginharq as her movements become slow.

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) where
People near you:
(PK) Ahelun The Imperial Throne Room
Wungar The Imperial Throne Room
Ginharq The Imperial Throne Room
Ginharq utters the words, 'xafe ay candusqarr'.
Ginharq disappears.

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) where
People near you:
(PK) Ahelun The Imperial Throne Room
Wungar The Imperial Throne Room

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) say Are you alright?
You say 'Are you alright?'

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%)
Wungar nods.

(510hp 548m 481mv 20950tnl -9.11%) nod
You nod.

***We stay until he can walk, and I walk back with him. The Maran gets hit, I heal it back up to full health after chasing off the Imperials. We raid the Chasm.***

***We get attacked, I go defend quickly. Naref takes off for the Chasm. I'm about (literally) two steps behind them and ask him to wait a second for me to catch up, safety in numbers. He ignores me. I catch up to them and follow Wungar. We raid. During the raid, Wungar gets blinded, I try to heal his blindness while also fighting on. Then this happens.***

(428hp 397m 481mv 20906tnl -8.89%) You bring a large two-handed mace up and across at the Archmage of Eternal Night!
Your strike of faith MANGLES the Archmage of Eternal Night!
Completing your upper slash, you step forward and bring a large two-handed mace down in an opposite arc!
Your strike of purity *** DEMOLISHES *** the Archmage of Eternal Night!
Completing your maneuver, you bring a large two-handed mace across for a powerful strike!
Your strike of deliverance *** DEMOLISHES *** the Archmage of Eternal Night!
The Archmage of Eternal Night is DEAD!!
You receive 79 experience points.
You receive 500 experience for a successful raid.
As the Archmage of Eternal Night falls, the Ebony Scepter appears in your hands!
You hear the Archmage of Eternal Night's death cry.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Ryaghort has arrived.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) beam

Ryaghort sacrifices the corpse of the Archmage of Eternal Night to the gods.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) You beam with pride at your recent success.

***This wasn't just any corpse. This was my first kill on not only a cabals inner guardian, but me showing Eshval I am stronger than her "others". This was to date my characters most prized work. This was like someone walking up to DaVinci, getting his attention, and slashing the Mona Lisa. I think, taking that into account, I was really well restrained.***

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Naref gets a silver ring set with a single malachite from a pit of eternal darkness.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) scream
ARRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Wungar gets a golden ring with a spider-shaped ruby from a pit of eternal darkness.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Wungar gets a pitch-black ring from a pit of eternal darkness.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) say Damnit
You say 'Damnit'

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Naref looks at you.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Naref gives you a silver ring set with a single malachite.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Ryaghort gets a pair of black steel gauntlets from a pit of eternal darkness.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Ryaghort wears a pair of black steel gauntlets on his hands.

(428hp 397m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Ryaghort gets a pair of black suede boots from a pit of eternal darkness.
The white aura around your body fades.
You feel less righteous.
Ryaghort slowly floats to the ground.

(452hp 435m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Ryaghort wears a pair of black suede boots on his feet.
Naref gets steel reinforced elf-skin armguards from a pit of eternal darkness.

(452hp 435m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) sayto Rya Do you have ANY idea how important that work was?
You say to Ryaghort 'Do you have ANY idea how important that work was?'

(452hp 435m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Naref drops steel reinforced elf-skin armguards.

(452hp 435m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) com sanc
You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
You lost your concentration.
Naref sacrifices steel reinforced elf-skin armguards to the gods.

(452hp 398m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) com sanc
You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
You are surrounded by a white aura.

(452hp 323m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) scream
ARRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!

(452hp 323m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Ryaghort bonks himself and grimaces in pain.

(452hp 323m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%)
Naref says 'What's going on?'

(452hp 323m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) scowl
You scowl harshly.

(452hp 323m 481mv 20327tnl -5.87%) com word
You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
At the Altar


A pit for sacrifices is in front of the altar.
(White Aura) The healer is here, healing the needy.

***I head back and place the Scepter. This conversation ensues.***




Naref tells you 'What was that all about?'

You tell Naref 'He destroyed my art!'

You tell Naref 'I have asked him REPEATEDLY not to'

***Not to mention, he had again been asked just moments before***

You tell Naref 'he repeatedly violates my religious beliefs without a care and I'm beginning to get angry'

Naref tells you 'And do you believe he did so on purpose?'

***It wasn't an autosac. It was a deliberate saccing. Naref is also making a pretty big deal about this without me having done much more than say "damnit" when someone spits in my eye (metaphorically)***

You tell Naref 'He's been told repeatedly how offensive it is to me when he does that. You saw how he reacted when I got angry, he knew how much what he did would upset me'

Naref tells you 'And yet it was an accident.'

You tell Naref 'apologies are meaningless when he continues to piss all over my religion'

***Nothing but the truth***

You tell Naref 'it was no accident, he knew what he was doing. He just cares nothing for my beliefs'

Naref tells you 'If your religion is going to so conflict with our bretheren that you feel the need to belittle them, you will likely find yourself out of our halls.'

***He said this and I was like "What the #### are you smoking? Who did I belittle?". Bear in mind, based on his performance I already think little enough of the guy. He repeatedly backs down from no-risk raids, in favor of being off doing something else. Both my character and I think he's pretty gutless, but have been quiet about it***

You tell Naref 'He pisses on my faith for a few copper coins and you act like *I* did something wrong.'

***While this is going on, Rya gets summoned out and attacked. I go and heal him. I'm still, even now, doing the job of a maran, I never stopped helping and defending the guy, even if I was pissed off at him***

You tell Naref 'I didn't belittle anyone, he's the one showing zero concern for his actions and how they make his supposed brethren feel'

(520hp 624m 481mv 19977tnl -4.05%)
Ryaghort says to you 'I vill understand iv ju never vorgive me vor dat.'

Ryaghort tells you 'I vere alvays dumb.'
Ginharq leaves south.

(520hp 624m 481mv 19977tnl -4.05%)
Ryaghort goes to sleep.

Naref: Ahelun, Ryaghort, to the hall of light now please.

Naref says 'All right, let's get to the bottom of this now.'

***Remember what he says here. It becomes important later***

***Glarnin comes back, and I'm not going to just let him run wild***

(520hp 624m 481mv 19977tnl -4.05%)
Ginharq: Glarnin

(520hp 624m 481mv 19977tnl -4.05%) cb I will come fight him in a moment, alone
Ahelun: I will come fight him in a moment, alone

***I walk off to the hall of fire, and do this***

(520hp 399m 477mv 19937tnl -3.84%) com summ glarnin
Glarnin arrives suddenly.

(520hp 405m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) com wrath glarnin

Glarnin leaves east.
Glarnin yells 'Help! I'm being attacked by the Watcher!'
the Watcher: Intruder! Intruder! Glarnin is raiding the Cabal!

(520hp 405m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) They aren't here.

***I chase him outside. Beat him till he runs away. The #### resumes***

***Naref, while I am fighting, continues the crap***

Ryaghort: Ze problem vere all my fault, boss captain. I alvays vorget ze elf not vant me destroy ze offerings to ze Muse.
Glarnin has a few scratches.

***Rya apologized. I let it go. Naref continues to push me***

(520hp 212m 414mv 19937tnl -3.84%) cb Glarnin ran off
Ahelun: Glarnin ran off

(520hp 212m 414mv 19937tnl -3.84%) where
People near you:
(PK) Ahelun The Snowy Courtyard

(520hp 212m 414mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Naref: All right, we'll conduct this meeting just north of the tara'bal.

Naref says 'I will make this as clear as I am able.'

Naref says 'You are not to berate anyone in our halls, ESPECIALLY in the home of our damnable enemy.'

***What the ####?***

You say 'What did I say that was berating?'

***I didn't call the guy names. I didn't even say ANYTHING beyond asking him if he knew how important the work was he destroyed. Naref also said he wanted to get to the bottom of this. Now when I open my mouth about it, asking him just what he considered berating...***

Ryaghort says to Naref 'I sorry zere boss captain, it vere me dat vere all ze problem.'

Naref says 'I'm going to ask you to hold your tongue Ahelun.'

***WTF? he can't think of anything better to say?***

Ryaghort says 'I vere alvays dumb, alvays vorget ze faith ov others.'

Naref says 'He did not do what he did on purpose, and I think after this incident he will think on it more intensely.'

***Rya was being stand up about it. He admitted his mistake. I kept trying to let it go and Naref kept making a big deal about it. Now he's just outright full of #### here and I'm getting fed up. The guy didn't just ACCIDENTALLY sac a corpse. It just doesn't work that way, he keeps basically telling me I have no right to be mad that someone is disregarding my beliefs and ignoring my (simple) request***

(520hp 310m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
a Maran Tara'bal: Intruder! Intruder! Nerituos is raiding the Cabal!

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
a Maran Tara'bal: Intruder! Intruder! Jidako is raiding the Cabal!

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort scans south.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) say He had just done the same thing not moments before.
You say 'He had just done the same thing not moments before. '

***me and Rya work together on the defense, really well. By NOT having a chip on my shoulder I even let him score a kill on one of them.***

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort says 'I get ze thief.'

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort scans south.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Naref scans south.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort gets a small yellow root from a cowhide knapsack.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort eats a small yellow root.
Ryaghort grows larger in size.
Ryaghort's muscles surge with heightened power.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort scans south.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort leaves south.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) where
People near you:
(PK) Jidako Standing Before the Fortress of Light
(PK) Ryaghort Standing Before the Fortress of Light
(PK) Ahelun The Snowy Courtyard
Naref The Snowy Courtyard
(PK) Nerituos Standing Before the Fortress of Light

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort has arrived.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort scans south.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) aff
You are affected by:
Commune: 'bless' modifies save vs spell by -14 for 41 hours.
Commune: 'bless' modifies hit roll by 7 for 41 hours.
Commune: 'crusade' modifies save vs spell by -9 for 34 hours.
Commune: 'crusade' modifies hit roll by 4 for 34 hours.
Physical effect: 'cabal raid' modifies morale by 10 for 11 hours.
Spell: 'repair flesh' modifies charisma by -1 for 6 hours.
Spell: 'giant strength' modifies strength by 4 for 6 hours.
Commune: 'righteousness' for 6 hours.
Commune: 'detect invis' for 3 hours.
Physical effect: 'cabal raid' modifies morale by 13 for 2 hours.
Commune: 'armor' modifies armor class by -20 for 1 hours.

(520hp 329m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) com sanc

Ryaghort leaves south.
You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
You are surrounded by a white aura.

(520hp 254m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Nerituos yells 'Help! Someone tried to hack me to pieces!'

(520hp 254m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) s

com wrath Jidako
Standing Before the Fortress of Light


Ryaghort is here, fighting Nerituos.
Jidako is here, fighting a Maran Tara'bal.
Nerituos is here, fighting a Maran Tara'bal.
(Purple Aura) A huge figure in deep gray armor guards the gate.
A Maran Tara'bal says 'Protect the light my brother.'

(520hp 254m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%) Jidako yells 'Die, Ahelun, you sorcerous dog!'
You narrow your eyes and glare in Jidako's direction.
Jidako looks very uncomfortable.
Jidako trembles under the force of your wrath as you tear deeply into the soul of the wicked.
Your heavenly wrath MANGLES Jidako!
Jidako has some small but disgusting cuts.

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%) templar mid hiltsmash
Jidako leaves south.
Jidako has fled!

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort's cleave maims Nerituos!
Ryaghort's shocking bite MUTILATES Nerituos!
Nerituos's infernal power DISMEMBERS a Maran Tara'bal!
Nerituos's infernal power MASSACRES a Maran Tara'bal!
Nerituos's infernal power DISMEMBERS a Maran Tara'bal!
A Maran Tara'bal's kick wounds Nerituos.

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
A Maran Tara'bal moves to block Nerituos's path.

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
A Maran Tara'bal moves to block Nerituos's path.

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%) You must be in combat to perform any templars defensive maneuver.
A Maran Tara'bal moves to block Nerituos's path.

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Nerituos leaves south.
Nerituos has fled!

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Jidako has arrived.

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Jidako tries to hit Ryaghort in a vital area but misses.
Jidako's blow to a vital area misses Ryaghort.
Ryaghort yells 'Help! Jidako punched me!'
Jidako's claw EVISCERATES Ryaghort!
Ryaghort's shocking bite EVISCERATES Jidako!

(520hp 234m 480mv 19937tnl -3.84%) s
Redhorn Gate


Nerituos is here.
(Purple Aura) A small, furry beast watches you from the safety of a snow drift.
(Purple Aura) A small, furry beast watches you from the safety of a snow drift.

(520hp 234m 474mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Nerituos leaves west.

(520hp 234m 474mv 19937tnl -3.84%) n
com wrath Jidako
Standing Before the Fortress of Light


Jidako is here, fighting Ryaghort.
Ryaghort is here, fighting Jidako.
(Purple Aura) A huge figure in deep gray armor guards the gate.
A Maran Tara'bal says 'Protect the light my brother.'

(520hp 234m 470mv 19937tnl -3.84%) Jidako yells 'Die, Ahelun, you sorcerous dog!'
You narrow your eyes and glare in Jidako's direction.
Your heavenly wrath MANGLES Jidako!
Jidako is covered with bleeding wounds.

(520hp 214m 470mv 19937tnl -3.84%) templar mid hiltsmash
Ryaghort leaves north.
Ryaghort has fled!
Jidako is covered with bleeding wounds.

***Rya sticks to the plan, and lets me fight the foe I called. No problems here. We're working well together.***

(520hp 214m 470mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Jidako parries your wrath.
Jidako is covered with bleeding wounds.

(520hp 214m 470mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Ryaghort has arrived.
A Maran Tara'bal says 'Protect the light my brother.'
Jidako is covered with bleeding wounds.

(520hp 214m 470mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Jidako tries to hit a vital area but misses.
Jidako's blow to a vital area misses you.
Ryaghort leaves south.
Jidako has some small but disgusting cuts.

(520hp 271m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) Your opponent must be wielding a weapon for you to perform a templars defensive maneuver.
Jidako has some small but disgusting cuts.

(520hp 271m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) strikeoffaith

Jidako's claw decimates you!
You parry Jidako's claw.
You parry Jidako's claw.
You parry Jidako's claw.
Jidako dodges your wrath.
Jidako has some small but disgusting cuts.

(494hp 271m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) You bring a two-handed white sword up and across at Jidako!
Your strike of faith MASSACRES Jidako!
Completing your upper slash, you step forward and bring a two-handed white sword down in an opposite arc!
Your strike of purity MASSACRES Jidako!
Completing your maneuver, you bring a two-handed white sword across for a powerful strike!
Your strike of deliverance *** DEMOLISHES *** Jidako!
Jidako is gushing blood.

(494hp 271m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Jidako lands a stunning blow on you and you pass out!

(494hp 271m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Jidako yells 'Help! Ryaghort is trying to hack me to pieces!'

***He respected my wishes here, by not hitting while I fight. We're still doing fine***

(520hp 352m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
You sense the wicked presense of Jidako near Along the Edge of the Smoldering Pit.

(520hp 352m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) cb he's in the ruined city
Ahelun: he's in the ruined city

(520hp 352m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) where
In your dreams, or what?

(520hp 352m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) cb teleported to the edge of the smoldering pit
Ahelun: teleported to the edge of the smoldering pit

***I tell him where to go to score the kill. I'm still clearly not letting how he acted affect my working with him. He nails him. The instant I wake up...***

Naref tells you 'So if someone has a short memory is he unfit to be your brother?'

***What the ####? I NEVER called the guy unfit. I never said I didn't want to work with him. I never even hinted at any of these things. At this point I'm getting pretty fed up with this jackass, who just can't seem to let go of this, even when we're fighting off attackers. ***

You tell Naref 'I don't believe I ever said he was unfit to be my brother. But you can't expect someone to disregard my beliefs repeatedly and then still stand there smiling and not saying anything'

***Still trying to be respectful of someone who I don't think much of, IC or OOC.***

Naref tells you 'Did he not apologize?'

You tell Naref 'Apologies really mean nothing when the one giving it continues to repeat what he is apologizing for'

Naref tells you 'So you cannot find it in your heart to forgive him?'

You tell Naref 'I never said that either. But you can't expect me to not be angry.'


***While this conversation is going on, I'm healing up the Maran, at this point I'm the only one on who can. ***

Ahelun: the maran is again whole

Naref tells you 'I never said you couldn't be, but you aren't going to stand there and yell at him either.'

***Again, I say "What the ####?"***

You say to Naref 'I didn't yell at him.'

Naref says 'We stood right there, do I really need to take a vote?'

You say 'I screamed at the destruction of my work, but I didn't berate or yell at him.'

You say 'You can't spit on my faith repeatedly and not expect a strong reaction.'

You say 'What would you do, were someone to continually defacate in your Lords shrine?'

You say 'You'd be angry, just as I was.'

***Little side convo with Glarnin***

Glarnin tells you 'Mehs readies agins.'

(520hp 261m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) reply I unfortunately am not.
You tell Glarnin 'I unfortunately am not.'

(520hp 261m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Glarnin tells you 'kays.'

(520hp 261m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%) reply I will come fight you shortly, the Imperials were just here
You tell Glarnin 'I will come fight you shortly, the Imperials were just here'

Naref says 'You are finding yourself dangerously close to leaving our halls, you can either cool your temper, or you can go.'

***The only one pissing me off at this point is Naref. Because he won't leave it alone. Nothing that has happened has affected my conduct as a maran one iota. I'm still killing, still healing, and still upholding the light. He's the one who keeps attacking ME.***

You say 'I'm not by any means saying he is unfit or that I don't wish him to be around, but you can't expect me to not be angry either.'

Naref says 'I'll leave it up to you, a paladin is fair in word and deed?'

You say 'MY temper? I've been far calmer about this than I think anyone could resonably expect me to be'

***Especially considering what a jackass Naref was being***

You say 'You keep accusing me of belittling him, which I did not do, then berating him which I also did not do.'

***I'm pretty fed up at this point, but still trying to be civil***

You say 'He has repeatedly, KNOWINGLY violated my beliefs'

Naref says 'Foe is here.'

You say 'and somehow in your eyes I am at fault?'

Ryaghort says 'Zey vant fight me alone.'

You say 'He's waiting for me'

You say 'Or that'

Naref says 'So, can you accept his apology or not?'
***Goddamn man, the horse is dead already***

You say 'I already did. But you can't very well expect me to not be angry if he continues to dishonor my faith '

Naref says 'You can be angry, but you can handle it like a mature person eh?'

You say 'It's I think a very simple request on my part. It doesn't even take any action on his part.'

You say 'He has to take action to violate it in fact,.'

***here I think it's finally over, but then...***

Naref says 'Now at some later date, if he has another accident, is this going to happen again?'

***What the ####? Is WHAT going to happen again? Am I going to be mad if someone spits in my eye?***

Ryaghort says 'I guess I vere not quite ze match ov zem...'
Naref says 'Or any of our brothers for that matter.'

Naref says 'Not just Ryaghort.'

You say 'Had it been anyone else I would not have reacted so strongly. He had just done the same thing not moments before.'

Naref says 'Aye and if you are upset, or have a disagreement you bring it to me and it will be dealt with.'

***What the hell was there to be dealt with? The matter wouldn't even have BEEN a matter if he hadn't kept dragging the thing back up***

You say 'I still don't understand why he spits on my faith and you think I am at fault here. '

Naref says 'If you hadn't had that outburst I'd be talking to just him right now.'

***He's full of ####. Because I react negatively to something he would be yelling at someone for, I'm a bad person? Again...WTF?***

You say 'I made a simple request.'

You say 'He agreed to adhere to it and seems to have no inclination to do so.'

You say 'This naturally makes me angry.'

You say 'It would make you angry as well, were you to be in my position.'

Naref says 'Ahelun I have had enemies do unmentionable things to the Lord of my faith, and I did not react how you did.'

***Really doesn't sound like much of a priest to me***

Naref says 'Because I control what comes out of my mouth.'

You say 'Did I call him names? Threaten him? Tell him he was worthless or anything of that nature?'


***I'm STILL not understanding why he keeps acting like I ripped the guy a new one, or called him names or insulted him or anything. Nothing of the sort happened, and this guy is now taking me to the absolute limit of my #### tolerance, both IC and OOC***

Naref says 'If you had threatened him, you would have been out of our halls before you left the chasm.'

You say 'Well then why are we even having this conversation? Disrespect for my beliefs I expect from my foes, not my comrades.'

Naref says 'I'm going to ask you one question, and I only want one answer.'

Naref says 'Are we going to have another outburst like we just had?'

***WHAT ####ing outburst? He's the one acting like a 2 year old***

You say 'I don't know. Is he going to continue to spit on my beliefs?'

(520hp 569m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
You have been inducted into None.

(520hp 590m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Naref says 'Leave.'

(520hp 590m 481mv 19937tnl -3.84%)
Naref leaves north.

***And he runs off to the Watcher so he doesn't have to even make a pretense of not being a jackass***

You tell Naref 'Nice to see religious persecution for your supposed "brothers" captain'

Ryaghort tells you 'I vere regretting vhat happen.'

***I leave, hit Glarnin outside and while I'm fighting him Rya comes out and attacks him too, again violating my requests and not even making any pretense anymore, but he keeps yammering to me about how sorry he is***

You tell Naref 'Believe me when I say I will be taking this up witht he skyborn. I'll not tolerate your hatred and religious prejudice masked in righteousness Naref.'

***Typo, yeah yeah, but I'm still trying to RP with the guy.***

Naref tells you 'Did you not understand one question and one answer?'

Naref tells you 'You cannot control your temper, that is why you are now outside.'

***MY temper was just fine all along. This was the breaking point right here***

You tell Naref 'I understood fine, but you have always treated me poorly for my beliefs.'

Naref tells you 'If you ever think you have found control of it, you may apply once more.'

You tell Naref 'To be led by you? A coward who masks his hatred behind a mask of brotherhood?'

Naref tells you 'And yet Maikra works just fine with me eh?'

***Maikra who is really never on, and who I have seen once ever***

You tell Naref 'He's semdom around and you know it. Apples and oranges. He's also not a priest of the religion.'

Naref tells you 'Apprentice to the muse isn't a priest of the religion?'

***Ehh alright, score one for the jackass***

You tell Naref 'Not a true priest, not as you and I are. Don't play the same wordgames you have been all along. it demeans you.'

Naref tells you 'I've had enough, you pursue it with Lord Shokai, you'll probably be disappointed there as well.'

You tell Naref 'I intend to. I'll not have the glorious forces of the light being forced into subjugation to your prejudice.'

You tell Naref 'my actions as a Maran, my hunting of the dark, my healing of the light have been completely above reproach. now you dismiss me for being angry with someone who violates my beliefs. And you call yourself a good being?'

Naref tells you 'Being a killer doesn't make you a good Maran.'

***Again he picks and chooses what he hears. I do believe I also mentioned healing of the light in there***

Naref tells you 'I have kneeled to your goddess in respect, so I have no idea what you speak of.'

You tell Naref 'Yes you do. He is supposed to be my brother, and continually destroys things I ask him not to, and you find fault with ME.'

You tell Naref 'Your prejudice is clear as day to one not willingly blinded to the truth'


Now that should refresh your memory to the things you edited out of the conversation. Awfully convenient of you to leave them out too, I have to say.

nt

Last I heard doing whatever with bodies wasn't a prerequisite of Eshval's religion. Sure, she encourages some degree of mutilation or whatnot, but also her helpfile notes that stagnation and continually using the same medium is boring.

That being said, Ryaghort as a Maran may not WANT you to do whatever (I assume mutilate to some degree) a dead body. He might find your dedication to a Scion immortal questionable. You can have whatever belief you want, but you have to expect that if you follow a dark god as a Maran, others may not think your 'art' is the cat's pajammas.

nt

You're sitting there screaming (think about what IC screaming means when it's coming from a paladin, let alone multiple screams). You also say that Ryaghort was 'pissing' all over your work. and cursed over it. To me, this violates the whole 'fair of word and deed' part of the paladin creed, and Naref calls you on it. I'm not saying Ryaghort wasn't deliberately pissing all over your work, but violating the creed to point it out in a repetitive, bitchy manner isn't going to earn you points with Naref.

.

nt

He uninducted in a similar fashion. He refused to hear anything that contradicted his own opinion, often deflecting any questions to Imms or simply completely tuning out and running away. Look at the logs posted above? Naref is a spitting image of Daemar.

*snip*

While you do make some comments to the affect that you understand why he was angered you didn't really seem to be objective on it.

You make comments along the way, that for me, seem to be your way of garnering support from the reader through the rationalization of your thought process.

From what I gather thus far The Rhyagort committed what amounted to a sacrilegious act in Ahlen's eyes.

I further understand this has occurred before and after Ahelun has warned him.

Thus far I can see Ahelun's anger being justified absolutely.

Now you make a fallacious observation early on when you say, *Ryaghort's character is fairly low in intelligence, and has problems remember some things but I'm betting if this had been brought to my attention, and talked to him about it. It would not have happened again.*

How do you know this? I don't want to get into the 15/16int people aren't stupid argument again, but how can you know he isn't playing the part of an agent who is attempting to disrupt the Fortress, or perhaps he has a personal grudge against Ahelun and has been working to get Ahelun uninducted or unempowered?

You also seem to lack an understanding of how Anger works in a discussion. It's a powerful emotion and peek early on before leveling off allowing for more level headed ideas to approach. As I read the log I see where he's angry, where his anger ebbs and where your lack of empathy sets him off again.

I can also see where your stubborn refusals to consider anything accept his temper allowed you to justify his uniduction.

That being said; Paladin's do have a code, and I wish more would stick to it, but I didn't see a violation of the Paladin code. I didn't see any uncouth words, there are no rules governing temper though I would accept he came close to or bumped up against #7 I don't think he violated it, especially considering #4.

And discord in front of the enemy is a high crime, but that should have been a separate issue.

There was just too much going on that you weren't considering r you were filtering to suit your tastes.



I don’t know either you or the two parties involved here.

Im not taking sides on this issue, as I wasnt there and dont know the whole story....but this statement refers to maran leaders in general.

As the Captain, talking to two squires he should give an order. No room for questions. Listen to one sentence from each side, then say "Here is what will be done. Go do it." He shouldnt even have to listen to 100 tells and crap explaining this. One line, " I dont want to hear more of this nonsense, go hunt evil and get out of my sight."

Naref is being far too nice, and squires should be dutifully listening to the maran leader. If they have a problem, go to Shokai, or send a missive.

I liked traveling with Naref, but Maran leaders have always been pushovers.

Have really read both logs.

I don't get that impression of Ahlun at all.

Naref = Captain of Brigade

Ahelun = Paladin Squire

Both sides stated their stance. Captain just wants to hear that it's done and over. Paladin squire says "only *if*...".

The only thing I would have done differently was the induct to none sooner. When you join the fort as a squire, you have in essence joined an army. If you aren't willing to accept orders, stay uncaballed. I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts Shokai backed Naref on this.

Ahelun, you are a squire. You are not any previous char you have played in the fort, bottom line.

In any organization.

It's an option, but not the best or even a good one.

There was no effort on Naref's part to resolve the issue to where all parties where satisfied.

In the end, Maran lost a soldier, and Alhun was cast out of an orginization he had faithfully served.

It seems like it was a set up by the guy who kept saccing Ahklun's things.

but after seeing the log of tells from Ahelun after the fact, I think it offers quite a bit of insight into the attitude of Ahelun the paladin. And I still think the only thing he did wrong was not doing it sooner. He warned him, and yet instead of letting things cool off and at the least waiting till they were back in the fort to *discuss* it, but instead he starts ####ing graatching it up in an enemy cabal

I made a comment in regards to leaders in general and made a statement before that stating it doesnt refer to picking sides on this issue with Naref and Ahelun. Both could have handled it with more respect for one another, yes...

Again my comment about leaders being more cut-throat was a general comment....

Reading does indeed help. Yes indeed.

n/t

It's a requirment of leadership.

There are differing ways to go about it, and Naref used one, but it was a poor choice and a lazy one.

"in my opinion" in order to qualify your statement.

God forbid you have a leader with any kind of edge. The world would absolutely end if we didn't consider everyone's feelings in every possible manner for any sort of dispute. So we could then sit down over a nice latte and make sure everyone feels good about what's happened and there is a sense of resolution that they can walk away from it with and have no hang ups.

FFS.

Pro, you're a military guy if I remember right. Let's try and draw a parallel. You are in enemy headquarters with your CO and some of your fellow enlisted gentlemen. You get into a dispute with one of them. Your CO tells you to get it resolved and get back to the work at hand. You tell him it'll stop when the other guy stops pissing you off. Personally, I'd expect to get drilled in the mouth for coping attitude like that in a situation like that. Especially when he was forewarned to let it go.

Granted, it's not the exact same thing, but it's close enough for me.

Pro, you're a military guy if I remember right. Let's try and draw a parallel. You are in enemy headquarters with your CO and some of your fellow enlisted gentlemen. You get into a dispute with one of them. Your CO tells you to get it resolved and get back to the work at hand. You tell him it'll stop when the other guy stops pissing you off. Personally, I'd expect to get drilled in the mouth for coping attitude like that in a situation like that. Especially when he was forewarned to let it go.

I have been in this situation to some degree.

I got into it with a fellow NCO who made claims that Myself, the Platon Sergeant and my Squad all thought we were special, because we snuck over to a different camp and ate from their chow-line.

For what ever reason I went off on him and in the end we were both written up.

Later on in the war, I had sprained my ankle and in a foul mood because I was not alowed to return to work with an injury that didn't prevent me from performing my duties.

Another NCO made deragatory remarks about me (Baseless ones this time =) ) and we had it out for all the world to see.

We were pulled aside and chewed out, and sent on our way and allowed to resolve our issues.

I got promoted, NCO #1 got demoted for stealing from hi own troops, and NCO #2 went into a catatonic state and now serves the military by staring listlessly at walls.

The Moral? If they had thrown me out at Day one they would have lost someone who tried and fell short from time to time, but kept a thief and an invalid.

In combat I'm in charge and I wouldn't tolerate any crap, but when it was all over there would be a reckoning that revolved around burning the camp #### buckets, not expulsion from the Armed Services for bickering. Because that's what soldiers do. they bicker, they fight, they do childish things to each other. Sometimes they even hate each other, but it's my job to make sure they work with each other if possible, and then only as a last result do I recommend the harshest penalties.

Being a leader with an edge doesn't mean ignoring the needs and wants of your subordinates.

I am a hard-ass SOB, and I don't take crap, but I back-up my people, even as I discipline them. I take time to know them, and they all know that I care about them and I will give my all for them.

If they fall short, I'll pick them up and carrythem froward until such time they have shown themselves to be inadequate.

Naref cornered Ahlun was unrelenting in his critisism and uncarring of his situation.

Boo (Thumbs Down)

They were still in enemy territory, instead of agreeing to let it go (even if for the time being only), he says yes with the "if". Why is that necessary? It isn't, it's a way of accepting an order while still being haughty. You say "boo", I say #### Ahelun. When you are given an order, you don't get to say "Yes sir, but only if...". The point they were at in the conversation of it had gone beyond a request.

You're expecting way to much from some kid or civvie playing a video game.

nt

The Paladin Code is an IC thing. It's posted and available. If a shaman wants to say "Hey, paladin. You swore to uphold these principles, but you don't.", that's not necessarily an OOC thing.

For a RL parallel, consider the volume of bad press that creeps up when someone with avowed moral or ethical authority (pick your favorite fallen televangelist or law enforcement official) has a serious misstep exposed.

Let's say you discover a local police officer using an illicit drug. There's nothing "scene-breaking" or odd about saying "Huh. You're not supposed to do that, and your organization tells lots of other people not to do that." You don't need to be a police officer (or even agree with the philosophy behind the law in question) to be critical of that person.

In the CF case, you can take issue with whether or not a shaman should be pressing that issue (i.e., is the shaman being consistent with the rest of his or her role), but I don't think you can call it 'OOC'.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

Added : Basically, what I consider OOC is that the guy probably has OOC expectation of paladins as a player which shouldn't necessarily agree with IC expectations of a Maran Captain towards his Squires. The rest below is a mangled, jumbled explanation of the above but you can still read it if you want.


Why would the Captain of Maran give two craps about whether or not a Maran was fair in speech and action? If you haven't, read Nep's post about how criticizing someone else's RP in game sacrifices some of your own. The OOC part to me is that a shaman, which is pretty much a direct opposite from the stuffy paladins, should not be quoting back the Paladin's Code at a knight. OOC he thinks the guy is a bad paladin, IC he should have no reason to think he's a bad Maran. Vynmylak's religion for instance had rage as a huge part of it. Long story short, I viewed this as him saying that he shouldn't play a paladin like that and that was his beef. It'd be like my Scion telling a Scarab how to follow the Sacraa. I might know about it in game, hardly makes me an authority nor should I really give a rats ass if he follows it or not.

As captain of maran I would think he would give more than two craps. Not only is he the guy's captain, he's a fellow priest. Shaman or anyone else for that matter, aren't oblivious to what a paladin should be like, at least at the core. Your char can also have expectations about what a paladin should be like, and if they can't live up to the code they swore to uphold within their guild, what does that say about their dedication to anything else, the Brigade included. Were I captain and I saw some douche paladin not being upstanding, it would concern me as well. There are several rp angles I can see to assault the way someone is acting IC. The only time I think it would sacrifice any of your own, is if you were addressing it as their rp and not their actual actions. Char to char.

The last goodie priest I had was quick to lay into any other priest I saw that I thought was not living up to his expectations of what said character should be. That was completely IC.

*snip*

Is so out of context that it just makes you look stupid. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but in this case it's baseless and serves little purpose. It really comes across as a blatant attempt to flame Ahelun/Ahelun's player, when in fact both sides or this argument posted logs that put most of the circumstances into context, revealing that he is anything but 'a whining bitch' as you put it. In fact, in both logs, he comes across as having roleplayed his religion incredibly well. Time for you to grow up, kid.

Have a good one.
Cartherlen

I dont think I was present during any of that, but from my perspective we always held all the items of power when Naref logged on. He didnt log in alot, but when he did, he didnt sit on his ass. He and I, would attack the chasm/empire just two of us, agaisnt two of them, and still take scepter/or codex. Idlike to see the logs cause from my perspective he didnt cower.

You both come off as jerks. I under stand that saccing was vital to your role play, but you worked it out with the person in question. If some one is worthless to rp with (as the Captain seemed to be) just dont rp with them. However, the log smacks of ooc pigheadedness.

On the other hand, his side just is ####ing condescending. He comes off as a preschool teacher with a sword.


Gotta say, if the two of you are the sort of people yuo have to deal with, I am glad I have never played a fortie.

Galbrit drove me crazy in outlander, but you two both need some one to dash n hurl th "mouthy maran".

>You both come off as jerks. I under stand that saccing was
>vital to your role play, but you worked it out with the person
>in question. If some one is worthless to rp with (as the
>Captain seemed to be) just dont rp with them. However, the log
>smacks of ooc pigheadedness.

Unfortunately, in CF you seldom have the choice of who to or who not to RP with. I tried to take the high road and just drop it, but even when I was up to my ass in Imperials, Naref refused to drop it. As my cabals leader, I was stuck with listening to him.

>
>On the other hand, his side just is ####ing condescending. He
>comes off as a preschool teacher with a sword.
>
>
>Gotta say, if the two of you are the sort of people yuo have
>to deal with, I am glad I have never played a fortie.
>
>Galbrit drove me crazy in outlander, but you two both need
>some one to dash n hurl th "mouthy maran".

I wasn't trying to come off as a jerk, and if you notice, Ryaghort, the guy who touched the whole thing off and I patched things up quick. There's no reason in the world why one squire shouldn't get mad at another so long as they can still work together, is there?

Saying the same whine over and over again when Naref did that tell to you, which gave an impression that you were still so upset about it. Instead you should have said to Naref something along the lines: "Ryaghort and I have already settled the issue and put it behind us. Is there a reason for us to still dwell upon it?". That would have told Naref that the issue was dealt with and he was not needed to mediate as the conflict, which Naref apparently saw as bigger as it was, was over. Your repetitive bitching(the repetition makes it bitching, not saying bad words or threats), however, gave the impression that you were still dwelling upon the issue, instead of trying to forget it. I hope you find the approach I have presented here useful.

I don't think people even know what that means anymore.

I didn't get the impression of a whine.

Whine, complaint, explanation, whatever. English isn't my first language anyway. I didn't post to call Ahelun whiner, I posted to show him what I see as more effective way of dealing with Narefs(in this case, a leader who sees that it is his responsibility to intervene in this issue to keep the Fortress intact and stop the bickering between its members) in this kind of a situation. I knew whine wasn't entirely accurrate word to use, but I didn't stop to think about semantics, it was an approximation, which I saw that could be used in this situation(as no bettew word came to mind). I wanted to use a negative word to describe Aheluns actions in order to give emphasis to what I saw as the wrong approach to solve the situation(I could have easily done the same mistake in Aheluns situation, which is why I am pointing out the better option), even though I know that whine is not the word to describe the situation best(However, I couldn't think of a better one to give my advice the emphasis I wanted it to have). It was only a way of highlighting what I saw as mistake.

That Ahelun had basicly forgotten it and was dragged back in by the captain.

Well, i comlitely agree with Captain's desigion, first of all, becouse Ahelun became angree, and could not calm it down... more He didn't even want to alm it. It is dangerouse, and this way should sometimes lead him to darkness (IC). Such a squire have no place in the Fortress. Even if it was not an accident, and Ray WISH to sacfrifice the corpse of and ENEMIE to the maran's gods, it is not a deed which can make another squire angry.

And well, from my point of view, captain spend too much time to try to agrue with Ahelun. He should uninduct him faster.

Zhevian, Khajaal, Orbelias... and well, a squire.

One thing that has bothered me in the past few years is the sense I get from people that if they are competent at showing outward rp skillz, they are entitled to a position in the cabal, religion whose powers they want. Something people seem to not take into consideration is that they may be roleplaying very well, but their excellent roleplay will deny them or get them kicked out of said cabal/religion. A good example of an excellently roleplayed character that was kicked out because they weren't right for the cabal was Thror's assassin (whose name I cannot remember, he later got back in).

Never interacting with either character, you seemed to have a developed role, Ahelun, but you should have expected it to cause some hardships. Anything in a role so extreme as to cause your character to react as it did is a potential liability.

The second part about what I've read is that you seemed to jump upon this 'religious persecution' thread when I don't feel it really existed. I can't tell if this was part of your character reacting or the player but because most leaders of a cabal have interacted with players who ditch their rp when being punished and make comments that are either OOC or incredibly petty, I can see how Naref would assume this is what was happening with yours.

could vaguely resemble an OOC remark.

The only thing I saw from Ahlun that resembled that was his well worded mention of the difference between an autosac and a deliberate sac.


I agree with what you say about difficult roles though.

Does anyone remember that rager who worshiped the Goddess of Magic we had a while back?

Hmm, well, they do really bother me. And I don't think Ahelun made any OOC comments here. It does seem that he either abandoned his role when he got angry, or part of character was its strident, accusatory tone in the face of such adversity. Which is dangerous because if this is the case then the better he roleplays, the more likely it is he will lose out on some rewards like cabal membership.