Mon Feb 16 20:12:32 2004


At 2 o'clock PM, Day of the Great Gods, 12th of the Month of the Spring
on the Theran calendar Hrejial perished, never to return.

Mostly just wasn't as fun as I'd hoped. Couple comments on minotaurs:

Gore goes off relatively often in fights vs. npcs, it never went off with a lag on a pc. As the inherent benefit of the class I think it's a bit weak. Especially considering all you give up. Effectively losing two wear slots (there are very, very few things to get), not being able to set a wimpy and, most important, the speech problems. People don't realize some of the little things you take for granted that you lose when you can't speak right. I couldn't get into places like Mortorn, couldn't do a bunch of quests, and of course, couldn't be understood by a lot of people. Also, hp gains were very weird. For fully half my levels I got 13 at levelling. That's as a warrior with 21 con. 13. That was much lower than my elf or arial or other warriors who had lower con. And the regen rate was very slow. Much slower than my elf or arial or other warriors who had lower con. I'm not sure how bull heritage is the reason for that (I asked a wizi imm at one point who intimated that was the case). A bull seems a veritable paradigm of health and vitality, to me. But there you have it.

Converseley, having giant resist with no effective vuln is pretty sweet. Nothing much to exploit on a minotaur, so I never took that nasty vuln damage. I imagine if someone had that mental attack weapon it might have done something, but it never happened. Also, the few bards I fought never tried frightful fiend, but as a mino I always wondered if I would be immune to frightful fiend and nightmare. Those two songs are based on fear and the mino helpfile says they do not feel fear. Guess someone else can discuss that who has more experience. Also getting to dual wield the two handed weapons was good, though I definitely noticed the difference having only 23 str from 24 (my last axe giant was a storm). Couldn't dual wield two of the wicked battleaxes from Aridhol. But no biggie. I think the 23 str is good.

Also good was the wisdom. Getting those atrocious hp gains was somewhat offset by my ability to pump four or five trains into hp. And the %4 skill gains made the low int practice crap somewhat better. I still had to practice hours to get things up, but it wasn't as god awful as it was with the duerg or giant chars. I still think you imms are on the purple crack when you say things will perfect with simple levelling. And there is an important reason to get the 100: when you berserk, all your skill drop ten percent, unless they are at 100. And since berserk is the only way to heal yourself.... Right.

Also, my own pet whine: warriors and other fighting classes take just as much time to perfect things as mages. Indeed, for the most part they take more time because fighter classes are most often played by low int races and mages are played by high int races. When a warrior finally gets it to 100, it should be 100. But it's not. Things like weaponbreaker and pincer and disembowel and all that fail all the time. For once I'd like to see a mage who has perfected word of recall cast it and have it fail. I think there should be some parallelism here. Now, sure, I can see why gamebalance would not allow an axe spec to get to kill everyone with a disembowel at writhing every time. So, my suggestion is not to make warrior skills behave like mage casting. Rather, I say make mage casting work more like warrior skills. Make a mage just fail a perfected spell when they try it sometimes. Even if someone is perfectly taught at something they are mortal and make mistakes. A misspoken word, a hand gesture slightly off, an intonation offkey just a bit. There are a million reasons for it - an involuntary need to cough, a child walks by and bumps the mage, making him mis-gesture, somebody drops a dish behind him and the loud crash distracts the mage, whatever. I think it would make things a bit more fair and make being a warrior with "years" (read: scores or hundreds of hours) of training feel a bit better when they miss that pincer or miss that flurry or miss that whatever which they have 100 in, which they have learned as well as anyone can learn.

As for individuals, I'll respond to any who wish.

I believed you could delete, and if I have pledged you and you deleted (just as you did) would make me look bad, I plan to con die, all the other ragers should as well. (Considering its tough to age-die) Thought you were smart as in pk wise, but rager is not a complain, delete cabal(Not a flame). Its a tough cabal man.
"Thank you, come again"
Rahno

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Seems my original response didn't make it through so I repeat it here.

This is a game. It is a thing to do to have fun. If it is not fun, you stop playing it and do something else. That is what deleting is. You need to check yourself when you start thinking that you can demand people spend hundreds and hundreds of hours doing something that is not fun just so they can be part of your club. That's not how it works.

What's worse, you wanted your little words parroted back to you, instead of accepting that the world's a big place and there are perfectly valid (perhaps better) words. There are no certainties or guarantees in life and you wanted someone to lie just to make you feel better. That's absurd and worse, it's mean and cruel because you were going to at least try and prevent someone from doing something they wanted, and which was perfectly fine. I never changed what I said and notice I got in and did just fine.

I'll post our conversation sometime soon and we'll let the world judge, but you have to sit back and recognize that asking someone if they plan to delete is just absurd.

But that is partly my problem since I just can't wrap my head around the minotaur replace letters in words. I tried my best, but it was difficult. Other than that, you were a good rager from what I saw, and I don't understand why you deleted. I hope I made your time in the village enjoyable and interesting, between the many morale downtimes, and the really high moraled times as well.

Good luck with whatever you try next.

I can understand most things a minotaur says, but when Nilki started talking about a "fetish" I would never have understood if I hadn't seen something about the new cabal's fetish in a log.

You seemed to have the makings of a good villager. You were tough, and as far as I was aware you didn't use any tactics that lessen the village in the eyes of the rest of Thera.

Thought you were a fine rager. Fought well. Courageously. The whole 9. I enjoyed ranking with you when we were pre-rager and fighting off groups in Akan.

The only gripe I had about your char was that you were way to persistent in asking people to group over the CB. If people (me) wanted to train, you would tell them over CB that they would learn their skills while fighting NPC's. Well, we already know that, but there are some things that just are more effective/efficient practicing on your own.

Sorry you couldn't get into this char more and make a real go at it. Hopefully I'll see you again as a rager, since you were a strong fighter and a good mate.

I got a question for you. When we grouped together for the first time before either of us were in battle, we fought and killed a conjurer. While he was a ghost we continued in the akan castle and a guard killed me. He, being naked, looted me and got it all you said. However, shortly after that we split up and I killed him and he did not have my axes, which you said he'd looted. He had everything else, and said he couldn't carry the weight of the axes so he never even got them from the corpse. I was always curious if you lied and took my axes and just said he got them along with everything else. I'm not upset about it, just curious because I can't see any other way it went down.

Nope. I didn't take your axes. He lied and must have gotten rid of them. I wish I had the log to prove it.

I always liked Hrejial, though it was difficult to figure out what you were saying sometimes when it was a long sentence. On a side note in my opinion you chose the perfect time to leave. With battle getting stuck with one of the now fallen tribby imms I will probably give up on cf altogether. Imm-wise I don't know what the hell they're thinking. Battle's been getting its ass kicked so they give it a new imm who boots more than two-thirds of the cabal and is an a-hole to boot. Good char and nice timing. Good luck on your next.
Vronwei

You know how people are complaining that tribs are too powerful? It all started with an imm who booted people who didn't pull their weight.

I think in the medium term it could be good for battle. Maybe some good people get tossed with the bad, but they can get back in.

Actually I'm kicking myself for my bad timing because, in my conceit, I like to think I might have made the cut for either staying in with Ranak or getting back in pretty quickly. I thought I played Hrej pretty courageously. Any imm who watched can chime in, I'd like to hear either way.

Hey,

Vex always liked you, you were competent, yet I felt no competition from you. I never had a problem understanding what you were saying, and found it quite amusing when people would be chattering on cb trying to figure out what you said and I couldn't do anything to help them.

Eh, well, too bad you didn't enjoy him, hope things work out better next time.

No, minotaurs are completely immune to both frightful fiend and nightmare. You don't even get the message "Such-and-such completely sees through your illusion" or whatever you get with others when it doesn;t work. It just flat out doesn;t affect them.

You were a good villager and so you know i was never ordering you around just giving suggestions and such. I hope you come back with a villager i can understand .