RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Ihjezhed (Anonymous),
19-Feb-19 08:46 PM, #28
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Ishuli,
19-Feb-19 08:57 PM, #29
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Ihjezhed (Anonymous),
06-Feb-19 08:45 PM, #7
Fights,
Guaryaten (Anonymous),
06-Feb-19 09:51 PM, #5
Thanks!,
Ishuli,
06-Feb-19 10:20 PM, #6
News to me,
SPN,
07-Feb-19 09:05 AM, #10
RE: News to me,
Ishuli,
07-Feb-19 10:04 AM, #12
Fine, but that means we have to beat the horse again......,
IrishMidnight,
07-Feb-19 12:45 PM, #13
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Ergush,
07-Feb-19 07:01 AM, #8
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Aylosi,
07-Feb-19 07:08 AM, #9
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
JohnEveryMan,
07-Feb-19 09:07 AM, #11
Disagreement ,
IrishMidnight,
07-Feb-19 12:57 PM, #14
Power loss for a week is a good one.,
robdarken_,
07-Feb-19 01:12 PM, #15
RE: Power loss for a week is a good one.,
JohnEveryMan,
07-Feb-19 02:29 PM, #17
RE: Power loss for a week is a good one.,
Ihjezhed (Anonymous),
07-Feb-19 09:20 PM, #19
Man you were such a cool character...,
Lhydia,
08-Feb-19 06:45 AM, #21
Take your own advice.,
JohnEveryMan,
08-Feb-19 09:10 AM, #22
Uh, no.,
Ihjezhed (Anonymous),
08-Feb-19 10:53 PM, #24
I think it's relevant as a comparison of collateral dam...,
JohnEveryMan,
07-Feb-19 02:23 PM, #16
RE: I think it's relevant as a comparison of collateral...,
IrishMidnight,
07-Feb-19 09:07 PM, #18
If it does that sounds fair. nt,
JohnEveryMan,
08-Feb-19 09:16 AM, #23
I don't know how this managed to happen,
Marla (Anonymous),
08-Feb-19 03:35 AM, #20
RE: I don't know how this managed to happen,
Ihjezhed (Anonymous),
08-Feb-19 10:56 PM, #25
What about a funny note exchange of you luring some mag...,
Kstatida,
11-Feb-19 10:10 AM, #26
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Bellin (Anonymous),
05-Feb-19 01:48 PM, #4
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Ergush,
05-Feb-19 11:48 AM, #3
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Rastensol (Anonymous),
05-Feb-19 10:24 AM, #2
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
Jhyrbian,
05-Feb-19 09:38 AM, #1
RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl...,
YourRealDad (Anonymous),
11-Feb-19 04:43 PM, #27
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#136308, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
In response to Reply #0
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Did have one question for the imms, why no last name? Was there something wrong with it or was it something else?
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#136174, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
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I loved the character. He was the nicest person in the world, always looking to be friends, and even those he hated (mages, a few others) he would share an ale with when they (or he) died. Most interactions were great. Particular thumbs up to Rast and Bellin (appreciate your comments below, right back at you both!) and Quinloc. Bellin in particular did great (still does I'm sure) finding the fine line between being belligerent and being an ass. Totally frustrating, but totally good char rp. Rast, you were the very first person I spoke with and I'm flattered you found the char strong at level one, that's a real compliment. It was great interacting with you during your out-of-village time, and then back in. And Quinloc, I know you had a real love/hate (more hate I'm sure!) with Ihj, but again, you always kept it IC and were particularly good with the witty quips. I'm going to be emulating some of that one day I imagine! There are some others, so please don't be insulted if I don't mention here, and if you write I will definitely respond.
Three or four real sources of frustration and, honestly, some anger. First was the total hypocrisy and ridiculousness of what happened with Sqierna. Her elemental attacks someone in Hamsah. That person is not wanted. It's a pure and simple violation of the primary law, no attacking in town. I've played long enough to know that it's always been the rule that archons/angels/devils/elemental/demons are considered the conjurer for such purposes, when they attack a pc. It's like if a rager were to quaff a potion (if not hardcoded, obviously), or an outlander going and buying adamantite from a city shopkeeper and wearing it. Or a maran grouping with an antipaladin and killing goodie orphans. It's violation of the fundamental rule of the organization. And not just a regular person, but a vindicator.
What happened? No punishment. I'm sure Ishuli will come and say there was some internal punishment of some sort, but please don't waste your time. Having to write something? Having to spend time on something? Come on. Not just not losing leader status, not getting booted from the cabal at all. You can't even apply if you've committed a crime, now you have a leader who has. It *really* turned me off to the game, seeing an imm handle it this way. There's already a lot of problems with people not paying consequences for rp decisions, this was just a bridge too far.
Second, I won't lie, Ergush, some of this is a result of you. You didn't respond for ages, then when you do, it's a great conversation, you give me a task. I do the task and write you a note with the results and then ... nothing. Ever again. Over about a month. Not even a response saying you saw what I wrote, anything at all. Pretty demoralizing. Nobody gets real life crap more than I do, but you were online several times and at the very least, let me suggest in the future you don't just go silent but rather at least something to acknowledge you get the person's looking for you and had done what you asked and was waiting on you. Coming up on 300 hours without even a hint there would be a second talk was not the main part of the deletion, but it was a factor.
Third, and perhaps the biggest, really, was the game itself. Meaning, I won't exactly say I was bored, but pretty close, as the last several weeks I spent almost the entire time without anyone to engage with. A few people from time to time, but mostly it would work this way: I would log on, and pretty much any mages online at the time (or other enemies) would log off within 20 minutes. I'm not arrogant enough to think it was always a direct result, but it wasn't just now and then. It was the norm. So much so that I would spend much of my time just gathering tahren items, or getting equ for non-hero villagers, or just going and exploring alone (or, on two or three occasions, with other villagers online at the time). This was true for weeks.
And in the last four weeks, I never - ever - saw any member of the imperial council. Once, Urmnar (sp?) logged on and was terrific and we fought several times and I give huge props (though with the caveat that venoms priests are silly, just go in, one or two communes, done - dying to a 30 rot was just not fun, nor was venoms, when as a villager you can do nothing) for showing up. Hero bard, hero ap, hero thief, etc., never once was even logged on, much less participating or fighting. Total avoidance. Maybe you guys were on all the time when I wasn't on, but others told me they never saw you either, so who knows. And you used to be on when I was on, back when I was not a hero and then a new hero. But then when other battle heroes leveled up and things maybe wouldn't be so easy for you, you all just stopped. Weak sauce.
So, mostly boredom at the end, with that other stuff. Didn't mean to get quite so negative here, the actual rp'ing with people was great, and I loved the ale and the laughing and the emotes (I hope they came across as natural, if also often) and the speech and all that stuff. Rites were great, though of course I should have been made commander. Har!
Unsure if/when I'll be back. The tribunal stuff was really disheartening and, unlike other issues and player stuff, made me really disillusioned about the behind-the-scenes stuff in a way that maybe can't be cured; it wasn't a bug, it was by design, obviously, and that design is a fundamental problem for me. That being said, after enough time there's always the pull and hope that maybe something's different. So no promises!
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#136175, "Fights"
In response to Reply #7
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I enjoyed our brief interactions even if I was very frustrated at the situation. What I said about folks attacking in numbers wasn't an exaggeration. Ultimately it wasn't that bad because dying is a part of CF but things do get frustrating.
I would have liked to have had a drink with you at some point but I haven't came across you in a week or two either, maybe our times quit meshing. It is still my plan to move forward and demonstrate what I was talking about and be an instructor of sorts... though we all know how plans work.
Anyway, come on back at any time. And if boredom is a problem. You could always roll any mage class. Villagers will find you all the time, every day. You'll have something to do then.
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Ishuli | Wed 06-Feb-19 10:20 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2017
2255 posts
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#136176, "Thanks!"
In response to Reply #7
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Thanks for the feedback.
Given I'm not much into talking about active chars, I'll at least tell you my general view.
As in most cabals, if someone makes a mistake, a one-off, or whatever it may be depending on the severity - there is typically some form of internal nudging in the right direction. A Fort guy kills a goodie? He doesn't get immediate induct none, typically gets a talking to or whatever else. A battlerager fights a non-enemy due to some scuffling but doesn't have a history of it? He gets chastised and told to act right. In my entire experience of playing CF, I've rarely ever seen a toss for a first error kinda thing. That's part of what biases how I think about it.
Should it be so that those above given examples get immediate uninducts or something like that? You could argue it, but that's definitely not my view in general, and I'm clearly not partial to it outside of exceptional negative circumstances.
As to Vindicator, keep in mind it's not a leadership position. It doesn't have leader con or anything like that. It doesn't even have decision-making authority outside of very specific circumstances and situations. So in this situation, nobody had a leader position to lose. Vindicator/Justiciar are closer to third-branch / alternate paths somewhat separate from Magistrate to Provincial to Provost.
Anyway, I hope that gives you some context generally about how I view things, and why I would handle things the way I do. All the same I appreciate the feedback, and I promise that no situation like that is a simple glance and just whimsically tossed internal punishment. It normally results in a hefty look, discussion, and so on.
Sorry I “wasted my time†by responding to you (I don’t get why you said that), and I hope this doesn’t turn you off more, but instead that it gives you some extra context for how things might be decided.
Good job with Ihjezhed, I generally liked what I saw from him. If you felt a bit bored due to lack of enemies, like someone else said… Roll up a mage. Heck, do an evil mage, then just hang around Battle and Fort and you should barely have room to breathe. Sometimes general shifts in cabals, etc. result in a surplus/lack of enemies. So just switch to the underdog!
-Ish
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SPN | Thu 07-Feb-19 09:05 AM |
Member since 24th Oct 2004
352 posts
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#136182, "News to me"
In response to Reply #6
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I never realized Vindecator and Justicars were not leadership positions with none of the be edits like leader con. I get they get induct and therefore don't get the leader EP per edgepoint specifics (is that even right?).
But to counter, they are listed as Leadership in the book in the library. They are titled different from Magistrates. Given their own unique powers. For God's sake they have their own rooms enshrining them!
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IrishMidnight | Thu 07-Feb-19 12:45 PM |
Member since 14th Jan 2017
66 posts
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#136186, "Fine, but that means we have to beat the horse again......"
In response to Reply #12
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Aylosi | Thu 07-Feb-19 07:08 AM |
Member since 01st Dec 2018
20 posts
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#136180, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
In response to Reply #7
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I thought this was a great character, I was a big fan.
I can totally understand the gripes you mention but sometimes people get busy or whatnot and sadly it can affect interaction. I hope you give it another shot and maybe try a different direction since its never one size fits all in CF.
Take care,
Aylosi
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JohnEveryMan | Thu 07-Feb-19 09:07 AM |
Member since 25th Aug 2012
247 posts
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#136183, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
In response to Reply #7
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> >Three or four real sources of frustration and, honestly, some >anger. First was the total hypocrisy and ridiculousness of >what happened with Sqierna. Her elemental attacks someone in >Hamsah. That person is not wanted. It's a pure and simple >violation of the primary law, no attacking in town. I've >played long enough to know that it's always been the rule that >archons/angels/devils/elemental/demons are considered the >conjurer for such purposes, when they attack a pc. It's like >if a rager were to quaff a potion (if not hardcoded, >obviously), or an outlander going and buying adamantite from a >city shopkeeper and wearing it. Or a maran grouping with an >antipaladin and killing goodie orphans. It's violation of the >fundamental rule of the organization. And not just a regular >person, but a vindicator. > >What happened? No punishment. I'm sure Ishuli will come and >say there was some internal punishment of some sort, but >please don't waste your time. Having to write something? >Having to spend time on something? Come on. Not just not >losing leader status, not getting booted from the cabal at >all. You can't even apply if you've committed a crime, now >you have a leader who has. It *really* turned me off to the >game, seeing an imm handle it this way. There's already a lot >of problems with people not paying consequences for rp >decisions, this was just a bridge too far.
Accidentally smacking someone with your trans-planar elemental friend is completely benign and not worth the effort of punishment.
If it seems like Tribs aren't held to the same standards of conduct as real life police it's because they're not. It's incomparable, getting smacked around once in game doesn't have any consequence long term for them like a cop accidentally blowing your brains out because of an itchy trigger finger, especially in the context of CF where you magically rematerialize after ten minutes because of; "Serious RP environment"
Sent from my Iphone
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IrishMidnight | Thu 07-Feb-19 12:57 PM |
Member since 14th Jan 2017
66 posts
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#136187, "Disagreement "
In response to Reply #11
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"Accidentally smacking someone with your trans-planar elemental friend is completely benign and not worth the effort of punishment.
If it seems like Tribs aren't held to the same standards of conduct as real life police it's because they're not. It's incomparable, getting smacked around once in game doesn't have any consequence long term for them like a cop accidentally blowing your brains out because of an itchy trigger finger, especially in the context of CF where you magically rematerialize after ten minutes because of; "Serious RP environment""
The game provides certain mechanisms in place for just this, albeit not directly to conjurers (they get the noelem command though!). Speaking of edges for those in tribunal (invoker, bards) not to hit citizen/unwanted, ones for the light even if I'm not entirely mistaken, ones for outlander to better avoid creatures at home in the wilderness, etc. So it's obviously taken into account, and I've always felt that was the huge counter-balance to a conjurer in tribunal, plus the aim of RP since some creatures you can call, arguably shouldn't in the tribunal's repertoire depending how order focused they are.
I think there could be mechanical ways to deal with it (this assuming coding could be done), but say, suspension of some kind... limited power effectiveness for so many hours, like a week in game minimum. Or the suspension would require you to be on shift for so long as a way to pay back without earning pay and some combination of penalty otherwise. etc
I think the debate including RL police is just an apples and oranges argument. It shouldn't be compared to that. However, there should be the inherent reason a conjurer in tribunal comes with some do's and especially do NOTs cause they get some great powers compared to any other class that sync real well with the purpose of a tribunal.
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JohnEveryMan | Thu 07-Feb-19 02:29 PM |
Member since 25th Aug 2012
247 posts
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#136190, "RE: Power loss for a week is a good one."
In response to Reply #15
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Losing powers for raiding non-enemy cabals makes sense because you're reflecting poorly on your own team. I can't see having Ishuli/other imms chasing down people to drop their powers for a couple hours or coding an automated system for it would be worth the time.
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#136193, "RE: Power loss for a week is a good one."
In response to Reply #15
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The incident in question wasn't me being attacked. It was another rager who asked me to write as a witness. I wasn't even in range at the time, just happened to be in hamsah at the right time.
A lot of victim blaming going around. That's disappointing.
Anyway, perhaps you could just stop posting, you're just a troll.
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JohnEveryMan | Fri 08-Feb-19 09:10 AM |
Member since 25th Aug 2012
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#136199, "Take your own advice."
In response to Reply #19
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I said my only knowledge of the situation came from your post and Ishuli's, never said you were attacked.
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#136203, "Uh, no."
In response to Reply #22
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My reply wasn't to you, it was to Rob.
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JohnEveryMan | Thu 07-Feb-19 02:23 PM |
Member since 25th Aug 2012
247 posts
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#136189, "I think it's relevant as a comparison of collateral dam..."
In response to Reply #14
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I only have context for what happened from this thread. Posters' account and Ishuli's seem to agree that it was a one off mistake, from my perspective punishing that, at least as strongly as Ihj wants isn't really worth the trouble over something that minor.
My only opinion on it really boils down to fun over RP, because I really don't consider CF to be that rp intensive to begin with. Trib is already a fun impaired cabal and tossing around demotions and uninductions over accidents is a really fast way to kill any incentive to play one.
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IrishMidnight | Thu 07-Feb-19 09:07 PM |
Member since 14th Jan 2017
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#136192, "RE: I think it's relevant as a comparison of collateral..."
In response to Reply #16
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Sounds as if the code exists in a sense and otherwise would seem very easy to code since other than the spire itself, any attack on a non criminal could qualify for a mark in that regard, plus then be a hidden counter to track how many times it happens.
I'm not personally arguing for removal or even demotion, but then that counter system could be visible to spire leaders which then they could play with policy. 3 marks and demoted to seantryn modem, etc
Additionally, exploiting such is a tactic... Say conjure is in Gallatin and he night gone the person and they recalled to the desert city now the Conjurer is breaking the law
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JohnEveryMan | Fri 08-Feb-19 09:16 AM |
Member since 25th Aug 2012
247 posts
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#136200, "If it does that sounds fair. nt"
In response to Reply #18
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#136194, "I don't know how this managed to happen"
In response to Reply #7
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but you witnessed literally every my PK when was young. This made me smile and I always loved to drink this ale even right prior to engage the enemies. Cheers! Sad I didn't witnessed you being a hero and DM as well, but to keep running after two missed Rites (which was the main goal when I joined the village) was beyond my motivation. Well done!
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#136204, "RE: I don't know how this managed to happen"
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I was always impressed how well you survivied. You seemed to be able to take a lot more damage than a low con race should have, even with your high end gear. It was real fun to watch knowing that I intended to be in the village with you later. Sadly, while we did have a few logins together, they were few and then you deleted. Really did make me sad. Leveling up I had real visions of having a lot of hero villagers to roll with and explore and have fun.
Always thought you were fun and really appreciated you diving in to my rp and working with it and making it better with your own rp back. So thanks very much for that and well done!
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Kstatida | Mon 11-Feb-19 10:10 AM |
Member since 12th Feb 2015
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#136216, "What about a funny note exchange of you luring some mag..."
In response to Reply #7
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No punishment
So you just have to excuse Squierna, I'm sure she had a fine excuse too
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#136158, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
In response to Reply #0
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Regardless of how I acted IC I very much enjoyed your char. GLWYN!
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#136156, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
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Well this sucks. Ihjezhed was pretty awesome. I had a special fondness for your character since I got to know you right away from level 1 at the Inn after the Gaspare reveal.
I was impressed that you seemed to have your RP fleshed out right away. I know I often get an idea for a build I want to try and roll it up and then start filling in the RP/role stuff later.
You took balance as a legacy right? How did you like it on that build? What was your other legacy?
Hope you had fun. Great character.
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Jhyrbian | Tue 05-Feb-19 09:38 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#136154, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
In response to Reply #0
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Did you intentionally name yourself Jizzhead?
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#136217, "RE: (DELETED) [BATTLE] Ihjezhed the Legend of the Battl..."
In response to Reply #1
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And I thought it was because he was a packers fan "I Cheese Head"
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