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Death_AngelFri 04-May-18 12:24 AM
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#133946, "(RAGE DELETE) [None] Kooxmow the Dweller of the Wilds"


          

Tue May 1 19:53:03 2018

At 8 o'clock AM, Day of Deception, 23rd of the Month of the Sun
on the Theran calendar Kooxmow perished, never to return.

Race:human
Class:ranger
Level:51
Alignment:Evil
Ethos:Chaotic
Cabal:None, None
Age:39
Hours:162

  

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Reply RE: (RAGE DELETE) [None] Kooxmow the Dweller of the Wil..., Zerin (Anonymous), 03-May-18 07:48 AM, #4
Reply Yes, he got screwed. However,, Jormyr, 02-May-18 10:18 PM, #3
Reply One comment?, Relio, 03-May-18 10:01 AM, #5
Reply Some things to clear up, Kooxmow (Anonymous), 03-May-18 12:29 PM, #6
Reply It's easy, Kstatida, 03-May-18 01:36 PM, #7
Reply RE: Some things to clear up, Saagkri, 03-May-18 03:17 PM, #8
Reply It can happen but I only know of two times it has, laxman, 03-May-18 03:50 PM, #9
Reply Because I remember..., Saagkri, 03-May-18 05:21 PM, #12
Reply RE: Some things to clear up, Zerin (Anonymous), 03-May-18 03:53 PM, #10
Reply It's a poor summary of events, Jormyr, 03-May-18 06:39 PM, #15
Reply RE: Some things to clear up, Jormyr, 03-May-18 06:37 PM, #14
Reply RE: Some things to clear up, Grord (Anonymous), 03-May-18 09:44 PM, #17
Reply RE: Some things to clear up, Saagkri, 03-May-18 11:14 PM, #18
Reply As I see this issue is result of, Zerin (Anonymous), 03-May-18 11:57 PM, #19
Reply A sphere vanity ranger who doesn't think he is vane bec..., Kooxmow (Anonymous), 04-May-18 01:53 PM, #22
     Reply RE: A sphere vanity player, Dallevian, 04-May-18 02:18 PM, #23
     Reply RE: A sphere vanity ranger who doesn't think he is vane..., Grord (Anonymous), 04-May-18 10:18 PM, #24
          Reply As I said before, Zerin (Anonymous), 05-May-18 02:45 AM, #25
               Reply RE: As I said before, Zah (Anonymous), 05-May-18 04:37 AM, #27
                    Reply Well. Lack of transparency is the root cause., Zerin (Anonymous), 05-May-18 08:45 AM, #28
Reply Some things to clear up, Shwartz, 05-May-18 04:36 AM, #26
Reply Not invested, however..., Tac, 03-May-18 04:56 PM, #11
     Reply I had absolutely zero direct involvement in what happen..., Jormyr, 03-May-18 06:12 PM, #13
          Reply He *magically* thought he was a part of it?, Murphy, 03-May-18 07:15 PM, #16
          Reply I'll admit to ignorance and wrong assumptions..., Tac, 04-May-18 08:33 AM, #20
               Reply I find this humorous, Kooxmow (Anonymous), 04-May-18 01:49 PM, #21
Reply You got wrongfully screwed. n/t, Current Rager (Anonymous), 02-May-18 02:40 PM, #2
Reply Your biggest fan, Zah (Anonymous), 02-May-18 02:21 AM, #1

Zerin (Anonymous)Thu 03-May-18 07:48 AM
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#133957, "RE: (RAGE DELETE) [None] Kooxmow the Dweller of the Wil..."
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I liked your char, bud. It was so fun to chase outnumbered imperials with you and I witnessed how much of mages you've slain, also your kinda "dark-elven" RP was fun! Sad to see the end of your story surrounded by lots of ####. I feel sorry I wasn't online when all this happened. I didn't write any scroll as this situation seems to be managed directly from heavens, but my vote was also for you.

Battles to be strong and challenging but not the pussies.

Good luck!

  

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JormyrWed 02-May-18 10:18 PM
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#133955, "Yes, he got screwed. However,"
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He did it to himself.

When your CABAL IMM (who's chaotic evil, by the way) specifically tells you (and everyone else in the room) to go away so that I can talk to a cabal leader, I strongly suggest going away.

Being the only one to not only at first ignore the request, but to come back and *ATTACK* your cabal leader, amounts to the reason he was the only one booted.

I thought his behavior afterwards was highly appropriate for the character, but unfortunately also sorta shot him in the foot unless he was willing to swallow his pride. Impatience and pride killed this character.

I liked the character. Lots of other people did, too. Deleting doesn't solve any problems the character ran into.

  

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RelioThu 03-May-18 10:01 AM
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#133959, "One comment?"
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"Deleting doesn't solve any problems the character ran into."

I think a lot of people would rather delete than play a gimped character they feel was treated unfairly. Practically speaking, if you screw up in your cabal it might take you 50 hours of suffering to get back to where you were, whereas if you just delete you can be back in a cabal and kicking ass in 20 hours with something that has an unblemished reputation. I see why a lot of people choose to just delete.

I understand from reading your comments you really like the idea of a guy making mistakes and working through them and being "better" for it. I think the reality is that CF's aging, busy population doesn't generally like that path.

<insert shruggy emoticon guy here>

  

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Kooxmow (Anonymous)Thu 03-May-18 12:29 PM
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#133961, "Some things to clear up"
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I think there seems to be some problems here. You seem to be glossing over some very important details.

1. For some reason you can now apparently challenge for Commander? Well that was done and I logged on after it ended. The leader should be chosen by the Rites. And then why can I not challenge too? Why is he magic special?

2. Zah mentioned how bunkish the challenge was. Which after looking at the rules of the village, it sounds like it was.

3. I was told to leave the Circle so you could talk, I left. I then sat for almost 25 minutes waiting. What is very important here is I issued a challenge to Grord, not once, but twice during this period, over the CB for everyone to hear (including you). I waited patiently for 25 minutes and followed the rules of the village. I did it in front of an immortal (you) and I was just sitting there ignored. No response, no conversation, nothing. I think its stupid that someone can sit there and completely ignore a challenge, especially judging the fact that an issued challenge just got them Commander.

4. I scanned into the circle and you were no longer there (as in you left), so I said screw this, I issued the challenge, in front of the immortal, and he is totally ignoring me. So I went for it. I brutalized him and he or you uninducted me while we were fighting as he went to hide under the Destructor so i couldn't finish him.

5. I get uninducted. I challenge Grord again. That is again ignored, and I'm still waiting. Another 10 minutes go by. Zah decides to take up my challenge for Grord, because he is again, IGNORING ME. I kill Zah. You then come to me for some reason and challenge me. I fight you where I get you to Gushing blood. Which is quite a feat for a mortal against someone with thousands of hit points. You misdirect me out of the giant and I finally decide to leave.

The whole time Grord keeps saying I didn't respect him, yet he did nothing to respect any of the rules of the village. He didn't respect Zah, and actually did exactly what he was accusing me of to Zah when he was Commander. Why is Grord getting special treatment?

So yeah, blah. I could sit for 50 to 100 hours in the weeds just kind of hiding out, without detect invis. No thanks.

I ask you to take a benefit of he doubt of those involved before pulling the trigger. Especially in situations where they are still fluid.

Thanks to everyone else, I enjoyed my time. I'm not one to sit and waste my time with something unfun. Especially in how this came about.

  

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KstatidaThu 03-May-18 01:36 PM
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#133962, "It's easy"
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They needed to end Zah's reign because someone thinks that village shouldn't fight fort because fort obviously has too many enemies now and is definitely underdog.

Everything else doesn't matter because Jormyr is chaotic evil.

Jeez you guys are so ####ed up

P.S. I feel sorry for you though, uninduct mid-fight was the ####tiest thing ever. Grord commander my ass

  

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SaagkriThu 03-May-18 03:17 PM
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#133964, "RE: Some things to clear up"
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Are you saying that someone can challenge the commander and if they win, they are the new commander? Is this a one-off or an ongoing thing?

  

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laxmanThu 03-May-18 03:50 PM
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#133965, "It can happen but I only know of two times it has"
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It requires imm blessing so there needs to generally be a compelling reason for it. Another possible outcome is that it removes the commander and brings on the rites. But holding rites requires a fair bit of imm time and enough players with villagers so other routes to leadership are going to be more common now than5 years ago.

  

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SaagkriThu 03-May-18 05:21 PM
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#133968, "Because I remember..."
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Aiorse being called to the circle by Shravthar because Shravthar was a big baby and Aiorse fell to him. I was a thug thief and was so mad I called Shrav to the circle (I would have gotten curb stomped) but I think one of the IMMs chilled me out. Aiorse was still commander of course.

  

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Zerin (Anonymous)Thu 03-May-18 03:53 PM
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#133966, "RE: Some things to clear up"
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Not really. Only if you're RC-winning-gods-pleasing-fort-non-fighting-under-big-D-hiding-fire-giant. Otherwise there's no way to become Commander like it happened this time.

The Rites.

To be announced(!) and participated by all who thinks he's strong enough.

  

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JormyrThu 03-May-18 06:39 PM
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#133972, "It's a poor summary of events"
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but to some degree, yes.

I have been making that feasible to some degree for probably the last
six months. However, it's also something I entertain on a case-by-
case basis, and in order to avoid another Kooxmow incident, I
*STRONGLY* suggest bringing the idea to Ysal, Ithynil, and myself
before going about trying to kill your cabal leader.

  

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JormyrThu 03-May-18 06:37 PM
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#133971, "RE: Some things to clear up"
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>I think there seems to be some problems here. You seem to be
>glossing over some very important details.
>
>1. For some reason you can now apparently challenge for
>Commander? Well that was done and I logged on after it ended.
>The leader should be chosen by the Rites. And then why can I
>not challenge too? Why is he magic special?

There's things I prefer to keep in-game, known to relevant
characters. Short-short version? I got tired of the Rites with
five people. Zah was aware of this. Other cabals straight *pick*
who gets to be leader. I attempted to design something that
holds to some of the traditions of the village. As to him being
"magic special" enough? There are a number who were. I had not
included you among them. Would that have changed? Quite
possibly, given Zah's opinion of you. I hadn't seen it yet, and
now we'll never know.

All of that said, perhaps it would be better if I just rolled out
some new rules, etc., made changes, and if it doesn't work out,
roll out new ones. I thought giving it a try would be better. I
may be wrong.

>2. Zah mentioned how bunkish the challenge was. Which after
>looking at the rules of the village, it sounds like it was.

Honestly, I'm quite crabby right now, but please. Tell me where
these "rules of the village" are concerning a fight for Commander.
Could Zah argue it wasn't exceptionally favorable for him? Sure.
I try to make things reasonably balanced, but no matter what you
pick, things benefit one person or another. Grime's weapons helps
assassins and H2H specs. Deathmatch helps warriors. I've
*LITERALLY* lost the Rites before because an assassin hid until I
starved to death. I made a choice in the interest of fairness,
but it doesn't always work out that way.

>3. I was told to leave the Circle so you could talk, I left. I
>then sat for almost 25 minutes waiting. What is very important
>here is I issued a challenge to Grord, not once, but twice
>during this period, over the CB for everyone to hear
> including you). I waited patiently for 25 minutes and
>followed the rules of the village. I did it in front of an
>immortal (you) and I was just sitting there ignored. No
>response, no conversation, nothing. I think its stupid that
>someone can sit there and completely ignore a challenge,
>especially judging the fact that an issued challenge just got
>them Commander.

To be perfectly honest, I happened to log in, see both the parties
involved were on, and made time in my day to try to proceed with
this cabal scenario. I have no idea where you got the idea that
you were involved, nor did I have time to. As it stood, RATHER
than dealing with information I needed to give Grord, I was on
twice as long as I should have been, trying to finish that in the
middle of your interruptions, deal with things I needed to address
to Zah, and THEN give you a chance for resolution - which again,
your impatience interrupted.

Again, perhaps this comes back to my keeping matters private, but
clearly changing a Commander requires Immortal involvement, and
you'd expect to be something approved. It was not my intent to
ignore you, but it was a strain to get done what I managed. I
wasn't even able to add further awareness.

>4. I scanned into the circle and you were no longer there (as
>in you left), so I said screw this, I issued the challenge, in
>front of the immortal, and he is totally ignoring me. So I
>went for it. I brutalized him and he or you uninducted me
>while we were fighting as he went to hide under the Destructor
>so i couldn't finish him.

I can understand the misperception. I never left, but given my
lack of ability to really participate beyond what I was doing, I
was only visible to characters in the room. Also, "brutalizing"
another character who clearly isn't prepared for a fight isn't
the best showing.

>5. I get uninducted. I challenge Grord again. That is again
>ignored, and I'm still waiting. Another 10 minutes go by. Zah
>decides to take up my challenge for Grord, because he is
>again, IGNORING ME. I kill Zah. You then come to me for some
>reason and challenge me. I fight you where I get you to
>Gushing blood. Which is quite a feat for a mortal against
>someone with thousands of hit points. You misdirect me out of
>the giant and I finally decide to leave.

Dude, I fought you with a ####ing practice staff so I didn't kill
you. I was trying to deal with leadership issues. Grord was then
trying to write a note, while I spoke with Zah regarding his loss
of leadership. You, having gotten into all of your problems from
what I perceived as a lack of patience, were not on the top of my
list to deal with.

>The whole time Grord keeps saying I didn't respect him, yet he
>did nothing to respect any of the rules of the village. He
>didn't respect Zah, and actually did exactly what he was
>accusing me of to Zah when he was Commander. Why is Grord
>getting special treatment?

Mostly, because Grord didn't go jumping Zah out of the blue.
Through previous RP events, I had told Grord I would give him the
opportunity. Grord didn't just attack Zah and claim he was in
charge.

>So yeah, blah. I could sit for 50 to 100 hours in the weeds
>just kind of hiding out, without detect invis. No thanks.

>I ask you to take a benefit of he doubt of those involved
>before pulling the trigger. Especially in situations where
>they are still fluid.

>Thanks to everyone else, I enjoyed my time. I'm not one to sit
>and waste my time with something unfun. Especially in how this
>came about.

From what I saw, I liked Kooxmow. I didn't see enough to think he
was quite yet a pick among leadership. You also *continually*
chose to ignore the methods given to you to return, more or less
suggesting you thought you were better than that. Honestly, it
probably wouldn't have taken much beyond calming down, a two-day
period where you weren't accusing Grord and myself of being
pathetic, and I'd have given it a shot. Writing notes to the
village to say you should be VOTED back in? That doesn't suggest
to me that there was any recognition of what was done wrong, or
really "getting" how the village was working.

  

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Grord (Anonymous)Thu 03-May-18 09:44 PM
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#133974, "RE: Some things to clear up"
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Given some thought to whether I'd post, and decided I will to say two things. I'll say now it's not going to be a lot, and no matter what I said people will just argue despite knowing pretty much nothing about any of this. But if, after the chars are all dead, you (or anyone) wants to talk about it all in real detail, I'll gladly do so then.

Much has been covered by Jormyr, but for me, two important things, starting with I really liked the character. I expected a couple hundred hours of being together cooperatively and in rivalry and generally wreaking havoc and leaving corpses, theirs and ours. You were interesting, unique in my cf experience (which seems less than yours perhaps), highly irritating while simultaneously being highly entertaining, often unintelligible, fun, obviously competent, and in the one player criticism I'll make, a bit too much of a know-it-all.* I am very sad you deleted and losing that character is a loss to all. And you should know that your name did come up when discussing drillmaster, because I raised your name, not Jormyr. We both agreed that you had a lot of potential but weren't quite there yet, especially when we had Zerin and Matusquella as well. We both thought you'd' likely be a leader with the next change up.

The other thing is that I have no idea where you get the notion it would be 50 or 100 hours to get back in. I told you (literally) more than a dozen times what you had to do to talk about getting back in, it was essentially one sentence. In my mind, as it was happening (before you just kept digging your hole deeper) I figured it would be anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 hours. (One thing, I thought I could reinduct you myself, but if I read Jormyr's post below right, maybe I couldn't? I don't know, but if I could, I would.) I kept telling that to you, and to Jormyr by the way, and you'd have been inducted in pretty short order. But you didn't. If you say the character's role prevented him from simply saying he got what he did was wrong, then, ok, but I don't think that's fairly put on me, that's a consequence of the role. Which makes me sad and depressed and disappointed, but honestly, not guilty. Especially when you said you wanted to come back as a berserker, having just violated the first commandment on the tablet. You would have been reinducted quickly (if it was up to me, which according to Jorm's post, maybe it wasn't). If something like this ever happens again, I wouldn't jump to conclusions on how long it would take to get back in, especially if you are told exactly what you have to do, and it's not some task that will take a lot of time.

Anyway, like I said there is a lot more, and I have the whole thing logged, so when Grord is dead and gone, I'll gladly go into more detail and try and post whatever people want.

One final note, to Zerin. Really dude? I've been online with you maybe three times in as many months. You don't know me. And what you said isn't just unfair it's totally wrong. The proof being all the posts about bat and stuff where I'm fighting (and dying). I don't need to fight any of those people. I could avoid them entirely if I want. But people like to fight and that's part of the fun. I don't know who pissed in your cheerios this morning but maybe back up a bit with that ####.

I'm here to have fun, and to the extent I can to help others have fun. I've left scores of Grord corpses around the mud and I hope people continue to have fun interacting with him. Personally I make a very strong effort to divorce whatever goes on here from what goes on there. So I make one request, let's try to keep it there. If you have problems with me, whatever they are, either do it IC, or we can smash fists on my death thread.

See you in the Fields.

*The example for that being when you were young and we went to get you a bow you kept saying use a shield, and you can't parry bows, and so forth, over, and over, and over, and over. We are all perfectly aware that you don't parry bows. Telling me to use a shield over and over and making sarcastic comments about was annoying because... didn't have shield block. You need to accept that sometimes you don't actually know better than everyone else.

*Ok, two criticisms. The next time we were both online after the uninduction went down, you sent a tell about where some mage was. But to me it was just "Someone" tells you. If you want to talk to someone, why on earth would you do it when you know they can't see you and have no idea who is talking to them? Do you know how frustrating that is? You've obviously been playing the game a long time so you must know how many tells people get. Even before being commander I'd get tells from people about all kinds of stuff. I had no idea it was you, you didn't identify yourself, and it was only in your later tells that it became obvious it was you. But I get tells from rangers, duo'd muters, hidden thieves, outlanders, even invokers before I was level 46, and have no idea who they are. And of course sometimes someone else sends a tell so I couldn't respond even if I wanted. If you want to talk to someone, don't hide from them, don't talk to them so they can't even tell who you are.

  

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SaagkriThu 03-May-18 11:14 PM
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#133976, "RE: Some things to clear up"
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Only IMMs can re-induct. I booted a ranger from Battle once (well deserved and he later said so on the boards) but, like you, I didn't want to force a delete, so I gave him a pretty easy path back. In fact, I felt like I was bending over backwards to help his char when he didn't seem to meet me half way. I got a little hair-rustling from the Battle IMMs for making it too easy. I think it was two days later I asked that he be re-inducted. Something about we're not the imperial revolving door. But, I believe they did it and made their point to me as well.

I believe all his cabal powers/skills went back to 70% too.

  

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Zerin (Anonymous)Fri 04-May-18 12:24 AM
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#133977, "As I see this issue is result of"
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you and Jormyr just decided to change things in the Village without involving any other guys. In the Village. I'm a newbie to CF but as I understood - Battles are probably the only cabal which positioned like a brotherhood and all the inner things has to be transparent to all the village community. But what we've got? Couple of ####storming scrolls, new orders of new commander, no any ####ing clue of what's happened and you're like "wtf is going on here?"

The only fact that both of you guys are writing here OOC explanations of your IC actions means you did something wrong ingame as literally nobody gets your great RP reasoning of major changes.

You guys will probably say you don't care and free to do whatever you want. Well. Neither I do.

  

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Kooxmow (Anonymous)Fri 04-May-18 01:53 PM
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#133983, "A sphere vanity ranger who doesn't think he is vane bec..."
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I wasn't going to admit I was wrong to you when I wasn't wrong. You ignored a circle challenge twice, over 25 minutes. When you were being beaten down from a fight in the circle, you uninducted and hid instead of fighting back and killing me.

Technically you were right, because you didn't accept the circle challenge, and ignored it, I was in the wrong. So I ask what is the proper way to deal with a circle challenge when the one challenged babies out (but sits in the circle) and doesn't respond. Should I have waited 45 minutes?

FYI, to Jormyr, I also had other things I had to do that night. I pre-bought movie tickets and I had to leave to the movie. So if the suitable time frame for ignored circle challenges is 45 minutes, sorry.

  

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DallevianFri 04-May-18 02:18 PM
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#133984, "RE: A sphere vanity player"
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fixed it for you

  

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Grord (Anonymous)Fri 04-May-18 10:18 PM
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#133988, "RE: A sphere vanity ranger who doesn't think he is vane..."
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I'm sorry you feel this way and are upset. Unfortunately most of what you have written is wrong, and a lot of it because it's based on a lot of false assumptions (that's equally if not more true as to Zerin's post, too). If Jormyr wants to address some or all, that's up to him, but as I wrote before, I won't go through it all while the character is active. When Grord is gone I'll be happy to explain whatever you want.

As an aside, I imagine you've rolled up a new character either to be an enemy to kill Grord, or to be a rager to replace him. If so, I am glad. I'm sure that character will be memorable either way.

Until Grord's dead and gone, that'll be it on this topic for me.

  

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Zerin (Anonymous)Sat 05-May-18 02:45 AM
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#133991, "As I said before"
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If you guys make major changes without any explanations and notifications IC and nobody understands how this happened, what were the reasons, what was the RP background etc - this only means you don't give a #### about the rest guys which are still active village members. And this is not good.

To be honest I think I understand the reason as all the sequence of events was quite clear:
1. Zah declares war to Fort (and some other clans).
2. Some permanently silent and mastering his skills guy suddenly speaks to Grime and revealed that Grime thinks the Village don't needs fight Fort.
3. Zah write the scroll he doesn't cares about Grime's words as Grime is not Commander which is very true.
4. You and Jormyr just force all the situation to bring Zah down and take Commander spot for Grord.
5. Very first new order of new commander is to not fight Fort.

But you guys made this so awful and cheap as you failed to resist properly the very first gap in your scenario (Kooxmow issue) so I really have no any wish to be part of your 'squad' anymore. It's hard to continue when you witness all this ####e. So sorry, but I'm done.

  

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Zah (Anonymous)Sat 05-May-18 04:37 AM
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#133993, "RE: As I said before"
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I really didn't want to get involved here but I feel I need to make a few comments.

Zah was never in anyway mistreated, the whole situation was handled IC, role played well and I really enjoyed it. Jormyr is an amazing Battle IMM and has always been there to support the Village. This is despite the fact he is dormant and there are no other active IMMs.

The truth is one of the key reasons Zah is no longer Commander is I simply don't get the opportunity to play enough hours for a leadership position. I have always actively communicated this.

During prior leadership changes your name has come up and you are genuinely considered. Unfortunately your play times don't seem to align with peak playing times, which is when these moments tend to happen. It is unfortunate, but we're not intentionally forgetting you. You might recall I did offer you the opportunity to challenge Durnot for Drillmaster.

As for the Fort War/no War, it is a disagreement in character beliefs and leadership. Nothing more.

I hope we'll see you around in future.

  

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Zerin (Anonymous)Sat 05-May-18 08:45 AM
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#133994, "Well. Lack of transparency is the root cause."
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And I totally support Kooxmow in this situation. Glad to see at least you wasn't mistreated though.

  

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ShwartzSat 05-May-18 04:36 AM
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#133992, "Some things to clear up"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ppQgJ16F8Q

God Bless and Godspeed

  

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TacThu 03-May-18 04:56 PM
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#133967, "Not invested, however..."
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He didn't do it to himself. You uninducted him. He didn't uninduct himself.

When your character forces you to make decisions with negative consequences for yourself, that's good RP and should be fun. When your character forces you to make negative consequences for another player/character that can be good RP and fun too. If you are an Immortal, there are no negative consequences for your character. Unless you let mortals kill immortals, then you are making a choice that no mortal can do anything about.

In that case, you are being a bad DM. No one says you can't smack someone down, but if all you can do in uninduct and force someone to do something their character wouldn't to continue playing the character they want to play, you are just being lazy with your RP. Uninduct is a tool you have, so is slay, so in deny. But if you think a mortal putting 50 hours to get back into the cabal is in any way reasonable, maybe you should put 5 minutes into coming up with a way to resolve the situation that doesn't screw anybody over, especially when you (the immortal character) are consequence free by definition.

Deleting does solve the problems the character ran into, and don't pretend you couldn't have guessed that being the result, so don't pretend the only option available to a nearly omnipotent being is to do something you, the player, know leads to that character's deletion. It isn't like this is the first such instance in the history of CF either, so in the immortal words of Bobby Shaftoe, "Show some ####ing adaptability!"

On a final note, any time your Imm character is going to negatively impact the fun of a player character by following their RP, you are probably doing it wrong, because there is no IC mechanism for mortal to get even with a immortal character. You are Greek Gods, except you refuse to have the limitations, so you don't get to behave like assholes, because in those stories, the mortal's generally get even.

  

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JormyrThu 03-May-18 06:12 PM
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#133970, "I had absolutely zero direct involvement in what happen..."
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>He didn't do it to himself. You uninducted him. He didn't
>uninduct himself.

Actually, no. His cabal leader did, after he attacked said cabal
leader. Unsurprisingly, that frequently gets you booted.

>When your character forces you to make decisions with negative
>consequences for yourself, that's good RP and should be fun.
>When your character forces you to make negative consequences
>for another player/character that can be good RP and fun too.
>If you are an Immortal, there are no negative consequences for
>your character. Unless you let mortals kill immortals, then
>you are making a choice that no mortal can do anything about.

WTF decisions are you talking about? Things happened that
involved Zah and Grord. Kooxmow somehow magically thought he was
a part of it, and not only attacked his cabal leader, but ignored
what was a simple request from his cabal Imm. CE aside, that's
not generally a promising decision.

>In that case, you are being a bad DM. No one says you can't
>smack someone down, but if all you can do in uninduct and
>force someone to do something their character wouldn't to
>continue playing the character they want to play, you are just
>being lazy with your RP. Uninduct is a tool you have, so is
>slay, so in deny. But if you think a mortal putting 50 hours
>to get back into the cabal is in any way reasonable, maybe you
>should put 5 minutes into coming up with a way to resolve the
>situation that doesn't screw anybody over, especially when you
> the immortal character) are consequence free by definition.

As mentioned, I made no direct involvement into what happened to
Kooxmow. I would have been the only one able to reinduct him, but
when EVERY decision he made continued the same problem that got
him kicked, I'm not going to simple reinduct him because it's no
fun, when he's spitefully ignoring every branch given.

>Deleting does solve the problems the character ran into, and
>don't pretend you couldn't have guessed that being the result,
>so don't pretend the only option available to a nearly
>omnipotent being is to do something you, the player, know
>leads to that character's deletion. It isn't like this is the
>first such instance in the history of CF either, so in the
>immortal words of Bobby Shaftoe, "Show some ####ing
>adaptability!"

>On a final note, any time your Imm character is going to
>negatively impact the fun of a player character by following
>their RP, you are probably doing it wrong, because there is no
>IC mechanism for mortal to get even with a immortal character.
> You are Greek Gods, except you refuse to have the
>limitations, so you don't get to behave like assholes, because
>in those stories, the mortal's generally get even.

I thought I would have more response here, but really it comes
down to (since you admit to not being involved) not knowing what
happened, and mistakenly assuming *I* did horrible things to this
character. I didn't, I merely also didn't step in to counteract
a cabal leader's decision, and even where I *wanted* (as a player)
to give Kooxmow an opportunity, he was constantly too impatient
to use it.

  

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MurphyThu 03-May-18 07:15 PM
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#133973, "He *magically* thought he was a part of it?"
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Blasphemy!

  

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TacFri 04-May-18 08:33 AM
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#133979, "I'll admit to ignorance and wrong assumptions..."
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I'm not clear on the details here. I really don't know what happened, but I do know there are two sides to any story, and if someone *just* attacked a cabal leader and was made leader instead of being booted, it seems like a reasonable IC assumption that attacking cabal leader is acceptable.

My only real point is that, based on your original response it seemed a lot like you were using your alignment to justify being an asshole, which if you wouldn't accept from a player (and it generally isn't acceptable, even if not directly punished) than it also isn't an acceptable excuse from an IMM.

Personally, I think it's more evil, and generally more fun to not kick the character, as they didn't (exactly) break village rules and then force them to serve under a Commander they don't believe achieved the position legitimately. However, given my recent experience in Empire, the lack of clarity on how things happens tend to lead to the same result...

Tyree gets made Emperor, High Priest and Dread Lady didn't vote for him and feel cheated (mostly in an OOC fashion) and promptly get themselves Anathema'd. I think the Dread Lady is still around and kicking, but I don't think the ex-High Priest is still playing, so same result of "ruined" (in the eyes of the player) characters, with no real path to getting back to where they want to be that isn't more work than delete;delete.

I'll kindly but out now, since I'm clearly misinformed.

  

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Kooxmow (Anonymous)Fri 04-May-18 01:49 PM
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#133982, "I find this humorous"
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No one is actually talking about anything but their tiny little slice and rolling their reality around it.

1. You cannot roleplay if you are part of the cabal and something is happening around you, unless you are invited.

2. Despite not being invited, there are things going on with the cabal which go against what the cabal rules and traditions stand for. but you cannot speak out, and if you try to roleplay it you are summarily ignored (see point 1 above).

3. Despite it being slanted that I "simply attacked a cabal leader" no one seems to be addressing the 25 minutes of real time I issued 2 challenges and waited to that cabal leader. Also not illustrated is Grord was in the Circle, where challenges take place.

4. When I finally attacked Grord, because my challenges were ignored over and over, he had resist up. I'm not sure what other preps the poor little felar chief hating berserker Commander needs to do to prepare against a super over powered human hunter. Grord was in the circle as well.

Please tell me the accepted process within the village of when you call someone to a challenge and its ignored? Can you just ignore circle challenges now because its cool? I'm sorry that the immortal in question couldn't take 3 minutes out of his 25 minutes of conversation with Grord to address this in this roleplaying game.

I mean its your game, and if a player is wronged, its his fault. But no one has addressed actually anything part of this other than you didn't have time to interact, Grord is some special character who has inside RP stuff I don't deserve to be a part of, and the brief sampling of the details that support your claim while ignoring the rest.

If I was Jormyr, the immortal of viciousness, strength, and chaotic evil, and I just saw a baby scout human hunter ranger completely destroy your new pet Rager Berserker Giant Warrior sword spec COMMANDER, in the circle, while he has resist up (how much more prep does he need Jormyr, honestly?), while he was active, and then he uninducts the ranger and runs and hides under the Destructor to not die. I would slay him twenty times and kick him out for weakness.

Whatever.

  

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Current Rager (Anonymous)Wed 02-May-18 02:40 PM
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#133953, "You got wrongfully screwed. n/t"
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nt

  

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Zah (Anonymous)Wed 02-May-18 02:21 AM
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#133947, "Your biggest fan"
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I loved Koox. I didn't know half of what you were saying (that wasn't just Zah, I genuinely didn't know) but you had me laughing most of the time. Is Quakulation a real thing? I would love to read your role one day too, the quality of your RP and the notes you sent were great to read.

As for the PK side, I was even more impressed. I have no idea how a
Human Mariner Hunter Scout can be so deadly, but you were. Even our fight towards the end, I went in without resist or thirst to make it fair and got absolutely stomped. The fight that followed was also very impressive.

Speaking of which, I hope the way things ended didn't trigger this. I won't go into detail here as it's all very recent. I didn't get a chance to log in for the last few days, but I did vote for you! I was sure you would get your hut back.

Anyway, GLWYN

  

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