Sun Aug 7 06:59:04 2016

At 2 o'clock PM, Day of the Sun, 34th of the Month of the Sun
on the Theran calendar Peveuh perished, never to return.

I emailed you as well.

Thank you to whichever IMM has been reminding me over the last couple of weeks why it is important not to take this game seriously at all. I really did have more important things to be focusing on and I can go back to non-serious/non-time intensive characters now.

No real bad interactions other than the usual suspects.

Selionar, its awesome you were willing to promote me but please #### or get off the pot. I was super active for the last few weeks and I saw you maybe 3 times. Come on man, play or delete.

Super awesome shaman paths that I never even scratched the surface of power wise before deleting.

All enemies except Burwell were great. Pretty sure just because someone kills you at low levels and takes your weapons doesn't mean you as Commander get to treat a shaman like a mage and gang him down with transmuters while ignoring the transmuter? I would be on duty and you'd come into town to just cranial me to death, get all corpse, and leave? lolwut?

Man, I was looking forward to ongoing fights.

Same #### happened to me with my Trib (though I was a mage so I didn't mind as much).

But the villagers would be criminals. I'd kill them (or have guards kill them), loot their weapons and usually THAT'S ALL.

They would then threaten to full loot (and Chouinon nearly succeeded) just because I took their weapons. And they were criminals. And I'm literally bound by the rules of my cabal to take those weapons.

Lulz.

Warriors have a necessity of hoarding like 5-10 different weapons. And all of the sudden all those are looted by tribs who have no use for them. That's frustrating as hell and triggers full-looting attitude.

As Kaer I was deprived of my weapons and fulled by tribunals so many times I can't remember. Too bad that each time I've killed a culprit behind it I was hampered from messing with the corpse, because each time I was aiming for a well-deserved full-loot (I've never threatened it by the way, because that'd be breaking RP hard time, but I was definitely aiming for it).

Who cares about your cabal dogma? I'm not in your cabal, and from my perspective you're just an asshat who've dropped a heavy loot on me.

You only have two hands. You only need two weapons.
Who cares about your warrior insecurities? From my perspective you're just an asshat hoarding things you don't use.

To clarify -- you're justifying a full loot with something your character knows or cares or doesn't care about IC. Might as well full loot everyone then because IC that's the most sensible action.

That's why I hate that logic.

I also don't give a #### if you full loot, just don't try to justify it with piss poor RP that is attempting to make ME feel bad for doing something to you that fit with my character and cabal dogma.

#stupidESL

If we were looking at CF in a realistic way (which, honestly, you shouldn't...like ever), then if I kill my ENEMY, why would I EVER leave him ANYTHING in the corpse? I don't want my ENEMY to be able to get right back on his feet and kill my friends and allies.

So that's what I meant by the comment of 'Why would I leave them with anything?'. I'm not a fan of full loots, I've done it a total of 5 times in my CF career (and 2 of them were Quas lol). Why I will do occasionally, is say perhaps I'm playing a Destuvius Shaman. And my main foe is a Aarn Shaman. We are literally diametrically opposed. So if I kill him, while I may loot all of things, I will likely put a single item on a different goodie mob in multiple areas. This way, the character I killed doesn't actually LOSE any gear, but it keeps him out of my hair for a couple hours.

The comment about not giving a #### about full loots, explained:

I don't mind getting full-looted, to be honest. Yes, sometimes it's the death knell for a character, but often times I end up with a better set after the full loot then I did beforehands. What I DON'T LIKE IS WHEN YOU TRY TO PASS YOUR FULL LOOT OFF AS BAD RP. There are some roles where it is good RP to full loot me (Zurcon roles, Emnon perhaps, etc), but it's really ####ty when say a villager following Kastellyn (or whatever) fulls you and tells you it's because he lost 3 weapons (or, even worse BECAUSE YOUR CABAL MATE FULLED ME...GTFOH with that stupid ####). Just full me and say something like "You are my enemy, why would I leave you with anything?". When I get "You took my wakizashi so now I'm fulling you any chance I get!" tells, it completely ruins my immersion because unless the player created a character with a childish, delusional role, it's #### RP and it's the player bleeding through.

Hope that helped.

In my opinion, no RP reason justifies full-looting, because it has straight away OOC griefing part to it. No RP reason justifies being an asshat, because the purpose of RP (and all other aspects of the game) is fun, and full-loot is by no means fun.

When I full loot people, I either want them to reflect on #### they do to others or I want to press on their nerves so they delete and stop ruining other people experience. At the same time I'm never threatening people that I'm going to full them - because it's straight stupid: 1) it's bad RP; 2) why warn? I'd rather surprise them.

There is one fun semi-exception out of this, and it's poison shamans. I think I'll full loot every last one of them I kill in the future just because malice.

Everyone has IC reasons to full loot each time they kill someone and sac equipment they don't need (like when they kill a mob), but there's a reason it's not done.

There's also full-loot behavior which happens because ppl are mad at imms but they can't do anything to them, so ppl either delete out of frustration or start griefing other ppl. But that's in my opinion quite weak.

P.S. It's important to note that we're talking about today. I was fulling everyone I killed in the past (15 years ago) no matter what. But those days are long since gone.

>In my opinion, no RP reason justifies full-looting, because it has straight away OOC griefing part to it. No RP reason justifies being an asshat, because the purpose of RP (and all other aspects of the game) is fun, and full-loot is by no means fun.

When I full loot people, I either want them to reflect on #### they do to others or I want to press on their nerves so they delete and stop ruining other people experience. At the same time I'm never threatening people that I'm going to full them - because it's straight stupid: 1) it's bad RP; 2) why warn? I'd rather surprise them.<


So, because you only full loot people for OOC reasons, there is no valid role reason to full loot people? You see the flaw with this logic, correct?

There are a lot of roles that allow for full-looting. Mostly though, no one plays those roles because true "villains" have disappeared from CF. Sadly, mostly the players who full loot are the same players who cannot handle even losing one item after a death. It's the height of hypocrisy and childish behavior.

The other problem is that half the evils I see these days are nicer than Acolytes, and half the Maran are more evil than Scions. I don't know what the #### happened.


>There is one fun semi-exception out of this, and it's poison shamans. I think I'll full loot every last one of them I kill in the future just because malice.<


Meh, this is like fulling an assassin who misses an assassinate on you. I mean, I did it to Shaapa once 9 years ago, but yeah, I don't like #### OOC excuses like that for IC actions.


>Everyone has IC reasons to full loot each time they kill someone and sac equipment they don't need (like when they kill a mob), but there's a reason it's not done.<


Not always true. Just MOST people would do that if we really went all in on IC behavior. But, I can see certain ragers, certain APs, and many roles where a character would want STRONG foes and thus looting opponents would weaken them, and keep them from fighting strong foes.



>There's also full-loot behavior which happens because ppl are mad at imms but they can't do anything to them, so ppl either delete out of frustration or start griefing other ppl. But that's in my opinion quite weak.<


No. Just no. If players do this, they should get banned. Seriously.



>P.S. It's important to note that we're talking about today. I was fulling everyone I killed in the past (15 years ago) no matter what. But those days are long since gone.<



A) I thought you just started playing CF a year or so ago? Or are you pulling a fast one (like Warren) and RPing on the forums too?

B) I have a giant problem with today's CF being giant ####ing pussies about loot. As in, I'll loot someone's darkened helm and darkened leggings, and for the next 20 minutes they are screaming at me in vague OOC tells yelling at me for "fulling" them when I took 2 things. Players are seriously giant ####ing pussies about looting now. LOOTING IS NOT GRIEFING.

You do realize there are MUDs other than CF, right?

What's his point?

It wasn't CF.

The point is to discern between mature and immature behavior. 15 years ago I was a teenage asshole.

You'd get fulled, walk down the road a couple steps and watch someone else get killed, full them, and so on and so on.

To some, that was a lot more fun than the game is now. To some, that made gear less fanatically protected. To some, that made people min/max less.

Doesn't change the fact that on average teenagers are testosterone-driven assholes on a much higher rate than grownups.

Warrior HAS to hold many weapons. Otherwise he won't be competitive. The whole class mechanics is built around switching weapons like juggling balls.

In CF, Death and loot is an IC matter. A character knows he was killed and he knows he was looted. And he also KNOWS that the enemies he kills will come after him again. This is not single-death MUD.

At least look up what "sarcasm" is.

You're facing an 80-level Internet battle warmaster here

NT

Two silver rapiers + bash + warcry will get you PKs.

Stop being a bitch about looting.

The character is long gone and I have never said a thing about looting when he was alive. I say weapon loot leads to frustration, and it does.

"That's frustrating as hell and triggers full-looting attitude."

That's literally the definition of bitching.

That being said, I've mentioned it before (as have others) but I'd be fine losing my weapons every death as a warrior as long as I could keep my prep bag

P.S. That being said, I've lost my prepbag to tribunals many times.

It's the worst

nt

The mechanics don't matter, only the effects do. I create strife, actively come to the cities to fight tribunals thinking that we all have fun in the process. Then I go spend a couple of hours running around MUD searching for the weapons. Sure tribs have fulfilled their mission of making cities safe for a couple of hours (yay IC goals, go sit in guild alone now for RL hours), but did the game win because of that? Hardly.

There is a difference between that and the entire mud.

If you don't want to PK, you go Heralds or Acolyte or Warden or something similar. Being an evil trib and actively avoiding PK against a criminal outlander who comes to a city is... ummm... well... yeah.

Like send a note that you're pacifist and PK is no fun for you or something so I have an idea.

If you like PK so much, go fight with average 18 weapons.

It's not "I néed nice weapons fields."

One of the logs I posted was about smacking down a trib with an ave 17 weapon after being heavily looted and deprived of all weapons, so this is not personal.

What I state is by artificially increasing prep downtime for people (which full-looting successfully does) you decrease PK intensity, which = less fun.

My point is: PK = fun. If you actively ruin opportunities for PK - you make the game less fun. If you join PK cabal and do it - you're an asshat.

"Then I go spend a couple of hours running around MUD searching for the weapons. "

That's you bitching that the Trib power automatically loots coins and weapons.

You make no sense.

Nt

...why wouldn't an evil trib be a coward and not fight you? I mean, seriously dude, this isn't POS where it's just a ####ing free for all.

You're falling into Graatch logic here, be careful.

Avoiding PK because you have no chance of winning - I understand perfectly.

...is when I am playing a character that isn't reckless/aggresive I still tend to play that way because I love me some hawt hawt PK action.

So I understand your desire. But your process to get to that point is flawed.

I will get you for this, Boris. Just you wait.