Sun Jan 22 22:15:04 2012

At 11 o'clock AM, Day of the Sun, 13th of the Month of Nature
on the Theran calendar Argivo perished, never to return.

So at last!

I can't imagine how Argivo lasted this long, but Anerus didn't. All I heard before was that paladins are long lived. It seems that Argi is much much clever than Anerus.. so he lived this long.

I guess the only one happy to see the end of Argivo is Anerus as he has waited too long to meet his mate in the after death worlds!

Good job! Wish we would have gotten a few chances to tangle one on one, but, the nature of the fort/village conflict was generally big groups against eachother. GLWYN, hopefully its a villager!

ntnt

Or maybe I published it, forgot and published it again a few days later, and then someone else who didn't know it'd been published published it a third time.

Want fries with that?

Thu Nov 17 15:00:57 2011 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (311 hrs):
An Immortal added 1000 exp for: Super classy after losing our stuff in the middle of Battle melting down and having a snit fit about losing a little gear


Am I reading this wrong? He got exp for getting pissed? *boggle*

Some lowbies with u-haul trucks got first crack at the gear in the middle of a giant pile of fort-battle corpses in the battle cabal.

Some ragers got screwed and were pissed (rightfully so, in my opinion) while Argy-poo remained super classy the entire time despite having gotten shafted in a very similar manner.

Then again, it's been months and months so my memory could be less then clear.

Were laughing all the way to the bank with their fat loot and then turning around going on murderous rampages at a low level.

Seems to me like there has to be a better solution to this but I don't know what it is.

Get all corpse only works for your corpse.

or

There is a lag associated with each piece of gear you snag from an enemy/other corpse. Shorter for things like rings, gloves, capes etc. Longer for breastplates boots leggings. Extra short for carried things. Typing get all corpse would kick in this lag for every piece the victim was wearing or carrying reguardless if it was taken or not.

Or You can't get all corpse unless both of your hands are free and a substantial lag kicks in. Think Blowfish.

Or

And personally, I would like to see us "enter" our corpses and rise up shaking it off rather than leave our met laying around. Then we wouldn't have this assinine concept of "I just died, and that's why we are talking about it."

Get all corpse should only work for your corpse
One round lag on single item taking.

The way that looks to me: Gear was lost, oh the humanity. Argivo was classy, Battle guys had a meltdown.

...unless you're just trolling??

>Thu Nov 17 15:00:57 2011 by 'An Immortal' at level 51 (311
>hrs):
>An Immortal added 1000 exp for: Super classy after losing our
>stuff in the middle of Battle melting down and having a snit
>fit about losing a little gear
>
>
>Am I reading this wrong? He got exp for getting pissed?
>*boggle*


Let me fill in the blanks:

(Argivo was) super classy after losing (his) stuff in the middle of (some) Battle (guys who were) melting down and having a snit fit about losing a little gear.

It seemed really clear to me. I had nothing to do with the history entry in question, nor had I even read it until your post.

You're reading it wrong.

Basically, it was kind of a battle royale where a lot of people died. Things were looted, largely by an out of range lowbie. Battleguy got very upset, grabbed everything he could carry from Argivo's corpse and informed Argivo that until he got his stuff back, he was going to start sacing his gear once piece at a time. Argivo was like...Ok, that's cool, you do what you have to do, cause I have no way of getting your #### back from lowbie evil thief. His reaction impressed me, because if I were in his shoes I would have informed Not Yet Named Battle Guy that if he made such a douchey move, I'd kick him in the junk until testicles started coming out of his ears.

So - end of story - exp awarded because Argivo is a nicer, more patient person than I am.

I mean everyone knows that some of our more pathetic players follow around heros 24/7 at low ranks either begging for gear if they are a goodie or just trying to loot the piss out of people in cabal raids if they are evil/neutral. I've even seem one or two get a crappy title for a level, but at the end of the day those characters are way stronger for their pathetic behavior, and those same players are more often than not then turning around and mass-killing their ranges with their overpowered gear. There just is really no negatives to the pathetic losers who engage in this behavior. Is there any chance one day there might be something to actually dissuade this kind of behavior?

Lot easier to overcome a gear disadvantage at lower ranks. Kill them and take it.

I remember a while back some transmuter got his edges/luck nerfed to hell and back after he full looted some imms mortal, how about we start doing that to these lowbie looters.

Right now there isn't anything negative when a character played by a veteran runs around and loots the piss out of heros. Oooo! Negative title for a rank! I'd take a negative title at rank 13 every character if it meant I could have hero level loot.

Just seems that with all the negatives that CF can't regulate, this is one that it seems could be regulated better.

I just don't agree.

Hadn't heard about this transmuter. That is pretty ####ty if true.

Especially because I didn't full-loot the character in question. I just told him I did (sphere Deception baby!).

If it was an IMM they would have known that.

I did get nerfed though I chalk it up to a horrible misunderstanding though (claimed I was a no-role griefer but my role got wiped by a bug...IMM didn't watch me as much as they claimed or they would have understood the RP...etc, etc, etc).

I got over it. I figure the rest of the playerbase should too.

Just saying that it is obvious that the imms have punished people for looting before, it shouldn't be just when it happens to their mortal.

You people sometimes, man.

Where a mortal was punished for looting with something other than a cosmetic title.

Please though if you can provide another example, please do.

Im not trying to make this into a flamefest I am genuine that its the only example I knew of.

Were there others where people got punished like that for looting?

Did you stop beating your wife yet?

Again, I was just bringing up the only incident I knew of as an example of the punishments that I would like to see happen more when people get in trouble for looting. I didn't realize that example would be so offensive to you as an immortal, if it is any consolation, I was extremely offended by that incident as a player.

Feel free to offer me another example and Ill happily use it so I don't cause you to get so frustrated.

As a side note, I don't know how you think that a comment about an incident that actually happened on CF justifies making a false and slanderous remark about me in RL, and in regards to domestic violence which I assure you is no laughing matter. You should be ashamed of yourself for making that post.

I'm done in this thread.

It's a famously used line to demonstrate a loaded question, a question phrased in such a way that no good answer is possible. Frankly I'm surprised you've never heard it before. It is now cliche, and never used substantively, only to make a point about someone asking some other question.

...that's right. The Nazis.

nt

...of course I only mean the *good* parts of Nazism.

To my knowledge he's never been about any master race or mass genocide or anything like that. Just fashionable uniforms and clean short haircuts and panzer tanks.

*** edited to add ***

And loaded questions, of course.

nt

You know, I wrote that post and left work for the day, and on the drive home thought to myself, "####, I bet Oldril doesn't know that one and is going to read it the wrong way."

Yeah, it's the classic example of a question that's loaded (from the perspective of law/debate) or that has a kind of null answer because it presupposes as true something which is false and therefore cannot really have a valid answer (from more of a programming/logic perspective).

But I'm glad someone recognized and made me seem slightly less crazy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/mu.html

If you have proof that an imm is cheating, email it to imps@carrionfields.com. Otherwise, please stop derailing the thread of a really solid character.

nt

That's completely irresponsible on your part. Now I lose my sensibilities. You're an idiot. Go away.

Where someone was actually punished for looting.

If thats a facedesk moment or makes me an idiot because it is the only example I have to offer, feel free to provide another.


But you know its good this has devolved into calling each other idiots.

Because he said that Imms are people too and have double standards? It's well known so what? Not the reason to insult player I guess.

Presenting something as fact that he only has, at best, limited information about. Then trying to change the balance of my favorite game based on said "fact."

Got a talkin to.

I remember Jindicho well and I shadowed him just to full loot and sac him. And I did.

Good riddance to a terrible character. And from someone I had no idea would make that kind of character.

Oh Pro. Such butthurt

I tend to agree with him.

I can't say that I have never looted anyone, but It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and It changes my behavior.

I will not fight anyone if there are lowbies shadowing.

Much as it sucks, it's a mechanism that keeps gear circulating and, ultimately, gives more people a chance at getting gear they wouldn't otherwise get.

It's all about the degree of looting, rather than the question of out-of-range looting at all.

Thats not why his edges/luck got nerfed, at least not the official reason.


However I honestly don't see the point of caring about lowbies with big gear. low and mid range pk is just inherently more risky then high level and as a result there is a much higher potential for gear circulation. You put the strange bracers in the hands of a level 25 char and the chances of it changing hands in the near future is much higher then if its in a heros hands. So from that perspective lowbie looting is excellent for the game.

My current observation is that over the last 2 years the velocity at which high end gear circulates has curtailed dramatically. You see a lot more of the high end pieces in the hands of a smaller number of people and as a result it doesn't move around a lot. Would be crazy if there was some random event that hit chars on login where they lose some/all of their famous/legendary items, it could be like random anti-hording code just to keep things circulating.

But I don't think an argument can be made that full looting heroes as a lowbie is good for the game.

jkgoöug

aavre

was not going to post but since i am almost condead it wont affect me either way

super huge fight, lots of deaths and i got the crap looted out of me and yes i consider it almost a full loot if they take everything except things a level 25 could go get in 3 minutes and leave you with with sacks and junk (i will post under here what i lost). I told him i had his crap and wanted mine back for him to get it, he then stated that he had odrallags crap and if i gave it back to him then odrallag would get his crap back in return so i started handing it all over, at which time eachian hits the destructor and I told all of them if he contunied raiding i would destroy the rest (at which time i had given back like 75% and gave the rest back even though eachian ended up taking the head anyway), just had to run back to the pit to get the rest. then once i gave him the rest of his stuff back he gave all of odrallags gear back. and yes I did get the gear back from the rangers that had looted me after the lowbie necro and thief had looted the rest which as soon as I found that out I returned all his crap.

so what you called a duechy move by me which ended up getting me a title and losing my tat is the exact thing that was done to ordrallag at the exact same time by the guy you gave imm exp to......as a matter of fact i had to drop things on the ground because arg was not giving it up and had a full inventory so i could not even give him everything

and I can post the full log but still has at least 4 active chars in it


<1159hp/100% 482m 1009mv/ 24350tnl (-26.49%)> 11 PM eq
You are using:
<worn on finger> a bloodstone ring
<worn on finger> a fire opal ring
<worn around neck> a long cloak of shadows
<worn around neck> a living Boa Constrictor
<worn on body> (Glowing) (Humming) a suit of darkened platemail
<worn on head> (Glowing) (Humming) the Helm of Maraktok
<worn on face> a large savage mask
<worn on legs> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of ebonscale greaves
<worn on feet> slime-covered boots made of charcoal dragonscales
<worn on hands> gauntlets of ogre power
<worn on arms> slime-covered armguards made of charcoal dragonscales
<worn about body> a skin from the snow leopard
<worn about waist> a girth of lobster plates
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a red coral bracelet studded with pearls
<worn around wrist> a malachite bracelet
<mainhand wielded> (Glowing) a scourge of bone
<offhand wielded> the crimson-stained Axe of Bloodletting
<tattooed> a hammer set upon a rune-covered anvil



<37hp/3% 19m 969mv/ 24350tnl (-26.49%)> 7 PM get all 2.corpse
You get a long cloak of shadows from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get slime-covered armguards made of charcoal dragonscales from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get the Helm of Maraktok from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a red coral bracelet studded with pearls from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a large savage mask from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a large sack from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a small pruning axe from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a skin from the snow leopard from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a dragon boat from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a crude water skin made from the corpse of Jitleph from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a scourge of bone from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a bronze-tipped spear from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get steel platemail bearing a Golden Codex from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
You get a shield emblazoned with a Golden Codex from the burnt corpse of Tontik.
<37hp/3% 19m 969mv/ 24350tnl (-26.49%)> 7 PM wear all

so yes i consider that a serious loot and i believe i had the right to say i wanted my crap back when at the time I thought it was them who had taken everything.

fast foward to the end of the log and here it is. so yes i did get most of it back from the fortress guys. So the lowbie thief and necro that took most of it atleast according to the fort guys and raybear actually did not take much at all so the lowbies that looted me took a ring, platemail gaunts and bracer and the rest the fortress took and gave back.


<1053hp/100% 244m 1009mv/ 24350tnl (-26.49%)> 6 PM eq
You are using:
<worn on finger> a bloodstone ring
<worn on finger> a pale white skull ring
<worn around neck> a long cloak of shadows
<worn around neck> (Humming) a fine stole of white ermine
<worn on body> ---
<worn on head> (Glowing) (Humming) the Helm of Maraktok
<worn on face> a large savage mask
<worn on legs> (Glowing) (Humming) a pair of ebonscale greaves
<worn on feet> slime-covered boots made of charcoal dragonscales
<worn on hands> (Humming) a pair of black enameled gauntlets
<worn on arms> slime-covered armguards made of charcoal dragonscales
<worn about body> a skin from the snow leopard
<worn about waist> a girth of lobster plates
<worn around wrist> (Humming) a red coral bracelet studded with pearls
<worn around wrist> ---
<mainhand wielded> (Glowing) a scourge of bone
<offhand wielded> the crimson-stained Axe of Bloodletting
<tattooed> a hammer set upon a rune-covered anvil

<1053hp/100% 244m 1009mv/ 24350tnl (-26.49%)> 6 PM drop codex
You do not have that item.

<1053hp/100% 244m 1009mv/ 24350tnl (-26.49%)> 6 PM in
You are carrying:
(Humming) a fine stole of white ermine
a living Boa Constrictor
(Glowing) steel platemail bearing a Golden Codex
a bronze-tipped spear
a crude water skin made from the corpse of Jitleph
a dragon boat
(Humming) a small pruning axe
(Humming) a flawless two-headed Pickaxe named 'Earthquake'
a large sack

It's not worth arguing about in someone else's deletion thread, but FWIW I was also watching a good chunk of that raid and what I think happened does not agree with what you seem to think happened.

It's not like I haven't misread situations when it's me being the player. It happens all the time.

Well, I never saw Argivo's newbie phase in PK, at least compared to me, but you were a great encouragement to Shaendath in my own PK newbness. You definitely had a profound affect on the character. Thanks for all of the paternal kindness.

Play another Fortie! I'm sure the pendulum will be thoroughly on the evil side in a few weeks.

I really liked Argivo, and I initially thought he was played by someone with a fair bit more experience - those are usually the ones who sit at lower levels, comfortable in their pk experience and enjoying their sweet spots. Once you got to hero, though, I could tell you were having a lot of trouble, not being used to hero PK (those legacy choices were a big hint!). So I tried to take you around a little and show you a bit about preps and stuff.

I admired the way you hung in there and started to turn things around, eventually becoming one of the most reliable maran around and someone I was always glad to see running around.

Sorry about those few times I yelled at you. There were certainly times that I was a bit burned out on CF, and got a little pissy for no good reason. It was certainly nothing personal, and you really were one of my favorites

I knew this was coming. To be perfectly honest, I got a little teary eyed when I was giving you your euology.

We were a pretty tough team, but I will second the 'not cranialling enough'. Glad I could be there to help you refine your tactics and spec choices.

I *loved* Argivo's RP. Very crisp and respectful, like a gentleman warrior. We had our disagreements but in the end, everything worked out well.

There is an Argivo-shaped hole in Illanthos' heart right now

GLWYN!

you were always fun to talk to and you like to rp a bit which was always fun even if it was just over tells, and we only scrapped a few times during the big war but it was always fun, glwyn

Where do I begin? 6 months of intensity is a long time. Perhaps with the most important stuff first:

A BIG THANK YOU to the Imps and Imms who keep this beautiful game going.

A GIGANTIC, ENORMOUS THANK YOU to Baerinika (in addition to the above). I can not even begin to express how awesome you are and how meaningful the interactions were to both Argivo and myself (but I will try to do so in my goodbyes). Even though we didn't get to play out Argivo's last step forward, I'd like my thoughts of Argivo's end to be that Baerinika kept his soul and he frolics and plays tag with Her in the misty jungle from time to time.

Thank you to all the players who enrich this game, I mean both especially Argivo's allies and his adversaries, 'cause the game ain't fun without both.

I will be posting, separately, goodbyes.


Some thoughts about the character and my experience:


I was very much a near-complete newb when I rolled this character last August or July. In fact, I still get lost in the Galadon sewers, and I'd say I still have only a vague idea of a lot of important things, like gearing, the melee system, et al. I rolled this character expressly to learn how to PK: I figured a noble, tragic type hero who just attacked everything evil he saw. The only way to learn from such an experience would be to retreat in any cases I could be sure I was facing certain death or defeat, otherwise I would just be dying stupidly and learning nothing. I wanted to be like those fearless vets I saw running around without any concern at all, like they were unbeatable, instead of cowering in a guild wondering when the next guy would kill me or the next xp group would start. My motto was "keep moving,Argivo" and I ran around EXPECTING to die lots.

I expected to con-die in two weeks, learn some lessons, and move on. A quick summer fling. Instead, something magic happened I couldn't quite figure out. From a few long struggles, many times I was sent packing, and some opportunistic victories, Argivo gained momentum and began to turn into a lowbie/midbie juggernaut. I was doing things and acting in ways that previously only I had seen only the serial killing vets do, like scattering groups of three and seeming to move in and out of situations without any concern at all. I was beating RBW with deathblow even though I didn't know where to find any nonphysical damage weapons. When it got to the point that Baekai, Gralog and Miric felt justified hunting me down in groups of three(one of the few pre hero deaths I had), I decided I had a choice. I could stay at this golden period where I felt I was winning (distention isn't really that bad, especially for a human), enjoying the fact I was a wolf instead of a lamb, or else move up to the hero ranks and try to learn all over again -- which is what I chose to do. I think I only managed to learn enough to really find my stride in solo PK at the hero level fairly close to the end -- like most humans in real life, I was just barely getting the important stuff when it was time to go

Some questions: so I was a classic weak newb who took all the advice I could understand, and managed to turn out a decent character by the absolute standard, which feels like fantastic victory for me.
What's next? Do I stick with the same build, or do new things? How do you recommend I choose what to play next? Part of me wants to just reroll the same build and choose different legacies so I can master what I was doing, but I'm not sure that's wise.


Legacies:

I newb-chose my legacies specifically to be an Eleagra-fighter. I knew there would be a lot of fights when I got into hero range. My thinking was that Fist of the Titans would counter the disarm of Crashing, and Ward of Blades would let me survive the perma-bash, since bash-bash-bash in the midrange only works if you outmelee the other person. Both these legacies spectacularly failed at their chosen purpose, even when I was full prepped with A/S/s/p.

Fist of Titans with 23 strength fails fairly regularly at preventing disarm. Even if it works 70% of the time, Crashing fires so damn often that the compounded chance of resisting Crashing is effectively 0. Once you lose your weapon, and permanently bashed, it's over.
The +10 lbs effect seemed very useful to an utterly clueless warrior, so I could gear for max hit/dam and ignore stats.
However, and this is something I didn't know when I choose the legacy, parry turns out to be very strength dependent. Therefore, retaining a weapon in hand when strength was reduced to very low levels turned out to be no actual benefit for a strength/parry warrior in most situations, either (for a cranial Maran, actually holding a mace is of some benefit if you are in a 3 vs 3 fight and your job is to lag)

Ward of Blades -- I first suspected something was buggy here. I have logs of being outmelee'd by the same 42 minotaur vs 51 human warrior when we both use swords (in order words his parry is better than mine), and then switching to maces which he couldn't parry/didn't know as well, and beating him. Counting the hits, I believe he was parrying better than me. I also have logs of fighting minimally prepped fire giants like Kurbrawn, and seeing them outparry me as well. The win there came from the fact that phoenix brand outdamages Cry of Thunder. In fact, for a while I was running with maces all the time because I couldn't see a difference in the parrying between maces and swords w/ flourintine. Then from logic and forum reading I realized this probably meant Ward WAS working in some way, but the size/str effects for parry for a giant or mino mean a whole lot more than the legacy, which was disappointing.

Space Between the Heartbeats -- I was fortunate enough to be rewarded with this very close to the end. This + relentless assault edge was awesome and changed my life. I wish I had more time with it. Thank you, Baerinika!!

Sword specs are common, so pick a character that you think can exploit all the weaknesses you felt you had.

In the mean time you get to learn the weaknesses of your new char and use the experience from your previous to temper your actions and hone your ability further.

I agree you honestly REALLY needed to cranial more. It would of gotten you so many more kills but other than that you seem well Rped and lasted a long time which i give you props for that. GLWYN

I've got a single #### to give...and it's just for you.

...I liked you. You had solid presence and a good attitude, and though my frustrations towards the Fortress leaked a bit there at the end, it doesn't change my opinion. Good job, and I hope to see you soon.


P.S. Don't roll a goodie.

You will be missed I strived to have your sense of pride and prowess. As well as your outlook in the fortress. Thank you for all you contributed.


Vaellron Waterborne

Had a lot of fun interacting with you over the months. A shame we didn't get to duke it out for real until the end when I had 160ish charges... Anyways, been looking for a good chance to fight you with my current, but haven't really gotten any yet. heh

Aww, i just got to know you
Was fun having you around, and good luck with your next character.

You did well getting your roleplay across to other players. You were helpful and forthcoming with information when needed. And you didn't do half bad at the PK aspect of the game, either, even though you always humbly claimed you were horrible at PK or whatever else you were trying to deny.

Laesron will miss you. The player will as well. Hope to see you in another guise soon.

One of the better human warriors I've seen in a while. Nice job.

Random note: I think most people with a mace spec use cranial a little too much. I think you might be the rare case that didn't cranial enough.

Thank you, very much, for the kind words.
Although Baerinika banished Argivo's IC insecurities, as a player I still have a serious sense of insecurity

Looking at the PBF, I see how completely right you are There are a LOT of fights I remember "winning" but where the other guy got away with a shred of his health -- I should have done more to time the lag and seal the kill. A human warrior drumming or flurrying doesn't really seal a kill on average except in situations where parting blow will likely do the job anyway.

I think my next successful character will have to focus less on "not losing" and more on "seal the kill."

Don't beat yourself up too much. Not dying / not losing is a good start. Once you feel confident with that it's easier to shift gears to killing, I think.

Where do I begin? 6 months of intensity is a long time. Perhaps with the most important stuff first:

A BIG THANK YOU to the Imps and Imms who keep this beautiful game going.

A GIGANTIC, ENORMOUS THANK YOU to Baerinika (in addition to the above). I can not even begin to express how awesome you are and how meaningful the interactions were to both Argivo and myself (but I will try to do so in my goodbyes). Even though we didn't get to play out Argivo's last step forward, I'd like my thoughts of Argivo's end to be that Baerinika kept his soul and he frolics and plays tag with Her in the misty jungle from time to time.

Thank you to all the players who enrich this game, I mean both especially Argivo's allies and his adversaries, 'cause the game ain't fun without both.

I will be posting, separately, goodbyes and a little bit of the char's history from my perspective soon.

Didn't you know you were supposed to age die while I was ON so I could do echoes and RP with you and stuff before you left??

Work with me here!!


There will be no white flag above my door. - Dido

I think I'm going to say this first, over and over, because it's true -- you are the absolute best

The first is -- all joking aside, did I have any control over when Argivo age died? Doh! I thought the character would age die whenever the RNG determined it, regardless of whether I was logged in. The irony is that I logged in only to write the final role chapters we had talked about in our last IC meeting (hah! the joke was on me)

The second question -- you know my strengths and weaknesses probably better than anyone else. Should I jump into another Baerfollower right away, or do something different -- what do you think is best for my development as a player? And, when I do roll another one and you recognize it's me, how much higher will the bar be this time since I've been around the block once?

Last but not least, Baer, you are the absolute best. Thanks so much
OOCly and ICly, I would not have lasted 3 days at hero without your encouragement and religion

Thanks for the nice words, it's really appreciated. I can't tell you how nice it is to have a new player with a fresh perspective following you. The energy you bring really revives the game.

First question - no, I was just being cheeky. I had plans to do some global echoes, plus Baer has a little spiel she gives to her age dying favorites, and it would have been nice to hold your hand as you went. Nothing you can control however. I play a lot, but I'm pretty much always sleeping from about 9 central to 6. And, as Daevryn can tell you, I take my sleepings very seriously.

Second question, I think you should mix it up and play something different. Maybe try playing an assassin if you want to stay in melee range, start to get a feel for the different skills of the game. A shifter is also a really good way to try out mages, and especially work through some PK at hero range. Not that shifters aren't viable before then, but they really shine once they get their final forms. If you join Fort again (I assume you will for your first few caballed chars before you decide you want to try another cabal) people will help you find your wands. I don't think wands are mandatory, but they help and they add an interesting aspect to the combat of the game.

As far as following Baer again goes...well, I did have Zulg code me up a questform black jaguar that I've been dying to give to a worthwhile follower....but in all honesty I would suggest you try a different religion. If you like me in particular, note that I also play Rayihn. She's, uhm, a little more easy going than Baer, but it is also pretty easy to fit her religion into the Fort. For day times, I see Whyisdan a lot, Marcatis is good if you like pontificating, Jasthrean is good if you like loud noises for some reason, and Enlilth is good for snuggles. Ray I play in the evenings while wrangling my 18 month old.

Good luck on whatever you decide, and thanks for ALSO being seriously awesome.

There will be no white flag above my door. - Dido

sadva

She is, thanks! She's teething a damn mouthful of teeth though. They weren't kidding when they said a late teether would get them all at the same time.

teething. She has always been such a sweet good natured child and I hated seeing her go through that.

And great job Argivo!

A very respectful foe. We had some good fights. That time at the watcher with Shaendath with a demon though was pretty stupid on my part, but that's the fun of testing character limits. Wouldn't be the first time I did something incredibly stupid just to see if I could get a kill out of it and ending up dead (hi whoever that assassin was at midranks).

Maybe this will do a bit to mitigate the 4-8 fortress all day "maranthons" that have been going on the last few days.

I think Argivo managed to beat Rindros a total of twice in all those fights. The first was around our mutual level 41, and was the catalyst for Argivo's Maranation, so he always kept a close eye on Rindros afterwards. You were an incredibly tough opponent at level 40ish for a same-level warrior. I could last usually about 2-3 rounds total against your minions.

The second was the time you were referring to, at the Watcher.
Argivo was doing as close a study from afar of you as possible. What you said, where you went/frequented, what demons vs devils you tended to use. He realized the primary Achilles heel of a Scion like Rindros, who would more or less kill Argivo in five rounds, was that you couldn't afford to show weakness, which meant it was possible to to arrange a favorable match if Argivo was just aggressive enough in the right way. I was burning up every tactic, prep, and gold coin I owned in that fight.

I viewed your coming to the fight primarily as an RP committment. I was SO sad when the Watcher landed the final blow. I really, really respect that you played along with me there. At the same time, I think you easily had a better than 50% chance of landing a kill -- you are just such a godzilla for a nonbattlerager warrior. That was probably the high point of all of Argivo's battles.

I was a little surprised you thought you'd lose anything. The simultaneous facts that you played along when you could have just quit, which is worthy of enormous respect, and the fact that Argivo returned all your stuff the first time, like he did with all his fights with a few orceptions. The whole holy knight thing.

Unfortunately, that was the first and last time I could pull that play with that particular minion and your playstyle -- you switched things up afterward like any good player and I was clueless against the ice devil -- maybe another 50 IC years, and I'd figure it out

I was really, really, really impressed with how stylish, classy, and consistent your RP was after the death. That really established for me what a fantastic char Rindros is -- chiding Argivo for not knowing the differences between a nightwalker familiar and a demon when most people would be OOC'ly melting down.

I was really mad at myself for that interaction (not that I remember it vividly at this point), since any death at an inner always ends up pretty bad rp on both sides, due to ending up ferrying items and all that jazz. I had an inkling you wouldn't take anything but I was ticked off at myself for even staying in there, and the last time you guys killed me was because I got 4v1 hammered (which sometimes makes people not take things), not to mention I was sporting some best-in-slot items. I expected Mergulla to mock me or something since my RP definitely slipped there from what it usually is. Items really aren't a big deal to me either, so it made me feel even more like a jackass afterwards for saying something like that.

You showed the biggest improvement of any char I've ever seen. Our first fights were, to be honest, laughable. Eventually though you were very problematic for me. Ward of blades proved very effective against demons it seems (I had no idea what legacies you had), and both your specs punched through my silly conjurer defenses (we only know four weapons).

You're reading way too much into the fight. I go full retard very often. The watcher was convulsing, you and Shaendath were both fleeing around, so I figured I'd be able to finish the watcher and kill both of you with my 700 hp I had. The watcher had other plans though. Light of heaven still hits for ***DEVASTATES*** through a/b/s, and I think he used it twice in quick succession. You win some you lose some.

I will give you tremendous praise for your courage, since you never backed down from a fight as far as I can remember.

This blows, knew it was coming though when you said next time I see you would probably be the last. You were certainly ready to throw down at a moment's notice from what I saw and willing to help in any raid. Including helping a young storm shaman recover his corpse at the Council in the Imperial Palace ha! Good character all around from what I saw, GLWYN.

>>You were certainly ready to throw down at a moment's notice from what
>>I saw and willing to help in any raid


Towards the end, I was specifically getting ready for a last hurrah against Dvalygg (which sadly never happened), and also finding my stride in terms of a rhythm for preps, gold, etc. In terms of being ready to throw down, I more or less had it managed so that I always was. I think Eachainn had been ragging on me to get that organization and rhythm done for about 300 hours, but I only had things "figured out" around then. (Thank you, Eachaiin!)

I really liked Tairneach, although I keep wanting to write "tairn"
I was impressed by his courage, his placidity in peace and implacability in war, and his take on Baerinika's religion. That conversation about purity got Argivo/me really thinking and examining things he was beginning to coast on after so many years of living by it. And I can't believe how easy it was for you to take out the defense shifters that tie me in knots

Helps when you got sanc and able to plague/weaken/poison/energy drain/wither/damn them.