Small log snippet below. There is either a bug with the entwine echo not happening OR they should not be able to exit a fight in this way. Because if they are entwined I should simply pull them back out with my weapon shadow or not. Either way.

Thaedan drives a blessed dagger named 'Heartseeker' into your side!
Thaedan's knifing EVISCERATES you!
You yell 'Help! Thaedan knifed me!'
You parry Thaedan's searing light.
Thaedan's wrath EVISCERATES you!
You nimbly sidestep Thaedan's wrath.
Thaedan dodges your frigid smash.
Thaedan dodges your magic.
Thaedan shivers only slightly as your frigid smash is impeded by a spider hide breastplate.
Your magic DISMEMBERS Thaedan!
Thaedan has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <719hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM> entw
You lash out with a runed frost-covered flail and entwine Thaedan tightly!
Thaedan has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <719hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM>
You parry Thaedan's searing light.
You parry Thaedan's wrath.
Your punch MUTILATES Thaedan!
Thaedan dodges your magic.
Thaedan dodges your punch.
Thaedan parries your punch.
Thaedan has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <719hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM> wield claw

You parry Thaedan's searing light.
You parry Thaedan's wrath.
You parry Thaedan's searing light.
With a quick twist Thaedan moves to the side of your punch.
Thaedan dodges your magic.
Thaedan dodges your punch.
Thaedan has some small but disgusting cuts.

civilized <719hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM> rip
You must wield a whip or flail in your primary hand to entwine someone.
You parry Thaedan's searing light.
Thaedan's wrath EVISCERATES you!
Thaedan's searing light deflects harmlessly off of stylish black leather pants.
Thaedan parries your punch.
Your punch EVISCERATES Thaedan!
Thaedan is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <676hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM> You must wield a whip or flail in your primary hand to entwine someone.
Thaedan is covered with bleeding wounds.

civilized <676hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM> With an acrobatic tumble, Thaedan dives into the shadows.
You wield the claw of the Dracolich.
Your throat constricts as contact poison enters your bloodstream!
As you wield the claw of the Dracolich, you notice you could rip open a long, jagged wound with it.
The claw of the Dracolich feels like a part of you!

civilized <676hp 297m 1165mv 27100tnl (-23.18%) 11 AM> But you aren't fighting anyone!

Its pretty much the exact situation that thief skill was designed for.

Thanks for the reply. As I said it could go either way so given its gone this way ...

There is no echo for the entwine ... Should there be one? Vanish/Word have an echo indicating that the weapon has been unentwined.

Without the echo ... my issue was if entwined and they do a flip but hide in the same room and cant walk off cause they are entwined surely I could just pull on the entwining weapon and bring them back out keeping combat going ... I do after all have a point of contact to the victim. Which is different to flipping and hidding from a bash down/trip down etc.

More trouble than its worth in my opinion. Entwine has a lot of really strange quirks to it that don't exactly match well with IC and OOC aspects. The break in combat is what allows him to move, similar to how people walk out of combat between combat rounds or other such instances.