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orangepoweredMon 04-Feb-13 10:47 AM
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#48813, "RE: Here is your log showing fifty percent damage reduction from vanguard, on melee strikes"
Edited on Mon 04-Feb-13 10:49 AM

          

Power, not powers. Bond is incredibly powerful if frequently not present. It frustrates me even further when you try to pamper and help shifters so you have people to bond with just to have them delete days later.

I reviewed the log. In this log it looks to be providing over 50% dam reduction. I would guess that some of this has to be because of Szzilizi being evil and vanguard potentially providing protection from evil. The *** Demo's he looks like he would normally be doing also would seem to be big enough hits for vanguard to be dropping them. This is legit damage reduction.

Had vanguard stayed up, who is your money on? Mine is still probably on Szzilizi.


I would like to do a comparison for a 1vs1 nexun warrior vs RBW warrior.

Village Powers
Berserkers
Resist which provides consistent damage reduction
Deathblow which provides an amazing increase in damage production
Bloodthirst which seems to provide haste, some protection against lag, protection against maledictions, protection against blindness, at a large risk to yourself
Truesight - Detect invis, cure blindness
Spellbane - Counter spells, save vs spells.

After some debate and trying to learn from the forums, these powers are awesome and fun and should stay the way they are.

Nexus Powers
Eye - Free Detect Invis/Alignment/Ethos/Magic. Basically a power that is required to figured out who to fight.
Gauge - Another power that is just required to figure out who to fight.
Vanguard
Protection vs strong alignment - This is helpful for everyone else, but largely not against ragers especially recently with how often light is strong and the rarity of goodie villagers.
Damage Reduction against strong hits - I loved this against rangers and thieves. It was somewhat useful against berserkers. The problem really comes in that it does little against the warriors who are more about hitting you a lot for medium damage instead of a little for big damage.


Resist vs Vanguard - Not a bad comparison, but I would rather have consistent damage reduction than sometimes damage reduction.
Truesight vs Eye - I suppose I would take truesight for the curing of blindness without having to always have potions on me to do it.
Gauge vs ? - Gaining no benefit at all beyond knowing who to fight, I see nothing comparing to this.
Deathblow vs ? - Keep dreaming Nexun.
Bloodthirst vs ? - The general answer said is RUN AWAY. Woo, thats fun.
Spellbane vs ? - Yeah that would be nice Nexun. At least you are not fighting mages all the time, wait you mean a-p's and necro's and transmuters still want to kill you to?

Ever present argument - Nexuns have the numbers! Yeah, so what if I am constantly outnumbered? Do I really have the numbers?

The truth is for a solo nexun vs RBW, your powers are just lame. One of your powers does something, woooo. It doesn't mean you have to lose, you can play smart and win. It doesn't mean there won't be successful nexun warriors, some builds are good enough or people are talented enough to pull it off. It doesn't change my mind that nexus powers are still lame.

The other counter is that the bond does make up for a lot of the short comings and can be rather fierce. I really don't feel like it is overpowered just because you have to have two people work perfectly together, which is frequently lacking.

So don't play them. Well, okay I really don't want to but I don't like any other cabal but villagers any better and I don't have the patience to play them constantly.
Outlander - The last time I played it felt like a collection of independent people who had very little interest in one another, which bored me.
Scion - I am not sure I have the talent or patience to pull this off honestly.
Empire/Fort - I have enjoyed empire and fort in the past, but it just feels like the Fort/Empire wars cause people to be ugly and brutal to each other. I also hate the summoning traps and numbers on both sides.
Tribunal - No patience for sitting on my butt for hours in town twiddling my thumbs.
Battleragers - I love everything about them, you know, except for not having teleport potions .
Herald - I enjoy more pk than rp, though do enjoy both so I don't see myself fitting in here.
Nexus - At least you consistently have someone to fight and allies who want to work together.

  

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HOT TopicDeathblow Discussion [View all] , orangepowered, Tue 22-Jan-13 06:11 PM
Reply There's a log on dios where vanguard falls mid battle. , jalbrin, 26-Jan-13 12:49 PM, #91
Reply Links or it didn't happen. (N/t), orangepowered, 26-Jan-13 02:25 PM, #92
     Reply Here is your log showing fifty percent damage reduction..., jalbrin, 02-Feb-13 02:53 PM, #103
          Reply RE: Here is your log showing fifty percent damage reduc..., orangepowered, 04-Feb-13 10:49 AM #104
               Reply A couple things., TMNS, 04-Feb-13 01:39 PM, #105
                    Reply RE: A couple things., orangepowered, 04-Feb-13 05:31 PM, #107
Reply Wrap Up, orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 11:50 PM, #87
Reply RE: Wrap Up, Daevryn, 26-Jan-13 01:04 AM, #88
Reply Heal and run is unsatisfying, Valkenar, 28-Jan-13 09:54 PM, #99
     Reply RE: Heal and run is unsatisfying, Daevryn, 28-Jan-13 10:45 PM, #101
Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, Malakhi, 24-Jan-13 10:00 PM, #35
Reply Time investment and luck, Artificial, 25-Jan-13 01:15 AM, #36
Reply RE: Time investment and luck, Illanthos, 25-Jan-13 11:13 AM, #43
Reply It can be that bad, incognito, 25-Jan-13 12:04 PM, #44
Reply You don't need barrier to pk., Tesline, 28-Jan-13 12:40 PM, #97
Reply If you're an obligate limited black necro/ap, Artificial, 25-Jan-13 01:28 PM, #48
     Reply RE: If you're an obligate limited black necro/ap, Illanthos, 25-Jan-13 02:00 PM, #52
          Reply don't agree with much of this, incognito, 25-Jan-13 07:33 PM, #79
               Reply hard is a relative term, laxman, 25-Jan-13 11:00 PM, #84
                    Reply RE: hard is a relative term, Illanthos, 26-Jan-13 01:28 AM, #89
Reply stick a tampon in it, laxman, 25-Jan-13 02:17 PM, #55
Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, Isildur, 25-Jan-13 08:19 AM, #37
Reply A stupid suggestion that would solve this and above com..., Tac, 25-Jan-13 10:00 AM, #39
Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, Marcus_, 25-Jan-13 10:04 AM, #40
Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 09:52 AM, #38
     Reply Some ways for Nexus to dominate Battle, Homard, 25-Jan-13 10:07 AM, #41
     Reply RE: Some ways for Nexus to dominate Battle, orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 03:41 PM, #61
          Reply you aren't understanding what is being said, laxman, 25-Jan-13 04:14 PM, #62
               Reply That's exactly it., Homard, 25-Jan-13 04:45 PM, #66
                    Reply RE: That's exactly it., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 05:09 PM, #68
                         Reply The point continues to elude you., Homard, 25-Jan-13 05:14 PM, #71
                              Reply RE: The point continues to elude you., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 05:15 PM, #72
                                   Reply I'll take a stab at it:, Daevryn, 25-Jan-13 09:46 PM, #82
                                        Reply RE: I'll take a stab at it:, orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 11:36 PM, #85
     Reply Some thoughts, lasentia, 25-Jan-13 12:16 PM, #47
     Reply RE: Some thoughts, orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 03:36 PM, #59
          Reply you do know that parry/dodge > dam redux for dealing wi..., laxman, 25-Jan-13 04:15 PM, #63
               Reply RE: you do know that parry/dodge > dam redux for dealin..., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 04:30 PM, #64
     Reply On a ABS shifter, boneshatter or forget are the worst., TMNS, 25-Jan-13 01:45 PM, #50
     Reply RE: On a ABS shifter, boneshatter or forget are the wor..., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 02:51 PM, #56
          Reply RE: On a ABS shifter, boneshatter or forget are the wor..., Malakhi, 25-Jan-13 03:07 PM, #58
          Reply RE: On a ABS shifter, boneshatter or forget are the wor..., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 03:40 PM, #60
               Reply RE: On a ABS shifter, boneshatter or forget are the wor..., Malakhi, 25-Jan-13 04:33 PM, #65
                    Reply RE: On a ABS shifter, boneshatter or forget are the wor..., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 05:08 PM, #67
          Reply You are assuming a bunch of things here and heavily ove..., Amberion, 25-Jan-13 05:10 PM, #69
               Reply RE: You are assuming a bunch of things here and heavily..., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 05:12 PM, #70
                    Reply Well, like this:, Amberion, 25-Jan-13 05:29 PM, #74
                         Reply Thanks, super appreciated (n/t), orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 05:36 PM, #76
     Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, Daevryn, 25-Jan-13 09:08 PM, #81
          Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 11:39 PM, #86
               Reply Only chars I play that "farm gold" are imperials..., Amberion, 26-Jan-13 03:35 AM, #90
Reply For the record, Marcus_, 23-Jan-13 05:07 AM, #7
Reply RE: For the record, orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 09:33 AM, #13
     Reply RE: For the record, Marcus_, 23-Jan-13 10:55 AM, #19
          Reply Cool, thanks for being reasonable. (n/t), orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 11:46 AM, #20
Reply RE: Deathblow Discussion, Daevryn, 22-Jan-13 07:40 PM, #2
Reply Yes, though not a RBW. (N/t), orangepowered, 22-Jan-13 07:58 PM, #3
Reply My experience with Krunk tells me RBW is hopelessy unde..., Tac, 23-Jan-13 09:07 AM, #9
     Reply I don't disagree with anything you said in the message,..., orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 09:29 AM, #12
          Reply No, I'm pointing out your original post in a fallacy, Tac, 23-Jan-13 10:19 AM, #17
               Reply RE: No, I'm pointing out your original post in a fallac..., orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 10:22 AM, #18
                    Reply You are doing something wrong., Tac, 23-Jan-13 02:31 PM, #25
                         Reply RE: You are doing something wrong., orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 04:21 PM, #29
                              Reply That is exactly what the first paragraph is saying..., Tac, 23-Jan-13 05:59 PM, #30
                                   Reply RE: That is exactly what the first paragraph is saying...., orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 06:07 PM, #31
Reply In Nabig's logs there's a mention of how underpowered d..., highbutterfly, 24-Jan-13 03:05 AM, #32
Reply The problem with this..., Homard, 22-Jan-13 07:06 PM, #1
     Reply RE: The problem with this..., Isildur, 22-Jan-13 07:59 PM, #4
     Reply That's not what I'm saying at all., Homard, 22-Jan-13 08:59 PM, #5
     Reply RE: That's not what I'm saying at all., Isildur, 23-Jan-13 08:29 AM, #8
          Reply FWIW I find villagers (especially berserkers) the easie..., TMNS, 23-Jan-13 04:18 PM, #28
     Reply this is all so silly, laxman, 23-Jan-13 09:09 AM, #10
          Reply RE: this is all so silly, orangepowered, 23-Jan-13 10:07 AM, #14
               Reply You are over generalizing a little, laxman, 23-Jan-13 12:23 PM, #21
                    Reply How are you outdamaging them?, Valkenar, 24-Jan-13 03:22 PM, #33
                         Reply RE: How are you outdamaging them?, Daevryn, 24-Jan-13 09:59 PM, #34
                              Reply The log from the log board., Shapa, 25-Jan-13 10:37 AM, #42
                                   Reply umm one example doesn't change the fact that bashing/cr..., laxman, 25-Jan-13 12:05 PM, #45
                                   Reply RE: umm one example doesn't change the fact that bashin..., orangepowered, 25-Jan-13 12:11 PM, #46
                                   Reply That log wasn't typical in one way, but was very typica..., Shapa, 25-Jan-13 01:45 PM, #49
                                        Reply having played a lot of tough villagers, laxman, 25-Jan-13 02:08 PM, #54
                                        Reply Aye. It gets much much better for villagers when they a..., Shapa, 25-Jan-13 05:31 PM, #75
                                        Reply I would upvote this if it was that kind of forum (n/t), Daevryn, 25-Jan-13 09:03 PM, #80
                                        Reply This is why i'm still a newb after many years of CF, vorian, 27-Jan-13 11:17 AM, #93
                                        Reply RE: This is why i'm still a newb after many years of CF, Daevryn, 27-Jan-13 11:39 AM, #94
                                             Reply With Eryndiahl , CD, 27-Jan-13 11:58 AM, #95
                                             Reply not that highly limited, laxman, 28-Jan-13 10:00 AM, #96
                                                  Reply I see, but ..., vorian, 28-Jan-13 08:21 PM, #98
                                                  Reply hitroll has virtually no value for a hero range warrior, laxman, 29-Jan-13 05:12 PM, #102
                                                  Reply RE: not that highly limited, Daevryn, 28-Jan-13 10:41 PM, #100
                                        Reply Couldn't have said it better myself. NT, TMNS, 04-Feb-13 01:42 PM, #106
                                        Reply RE: That log wasn't typical in one way, but was very ty..., Malakhi, 25-Jan-13 03:04 PM, #57
                                             Reply I am saying that berserker's powers don't need to have ..., Shapa, 25-Jan-13 05:25 PM, #73
                                                  Reply RE: I am saying that berserker's powers don't need to h..., Malakhi, 25-Jan-13 06:46 PM, #77
                                                       Reply And why should ANY POWERS help against textbook kills?, Shapa, 25-Jan-13 07:27 PM, #78
                                                            Reply you assume it was just db, laxman, 25-Jan-13 10:53 PM, #83
                                   Reply Here's a better (set) of logs., TMNS, 25-Jan-13 01:53 PM, #51
                                        Reply Man do berserkers love ganging this guy outside of raid..., Shapa, 25-Jan-13 02:02 PM, #53
     Reply RE: The problem with this..., highbutterfly, 23-Jan-13 02:02 AM, #6
          Reply they can end the war you know, laxman, 23-Jan-13 09:12 AM, #11
          Reply My experience is that villagers won't end a war, Tac, 23-Jan-13 10:16 AM, #16
          Reply having been in many village wars thats bull, laxman, 23-Jan-13 12:27 PM, #22
               Reply I reluctantly agree..., Tac, 23-Jan-13 02:31 PM, #26
          Reply RE: they can end the war you know, Isildur, 23-Jan-13 12:31 PM, #23
               Reply you assume that having a mage leader is why they are at..., laxman, 23-Jan-13 01:39 PM, #24
                    Reply It would not be typical Maran RP, Humbert, 23-Jan-13 04:13 PM, #27
          Reply The Village/Fort War is an unusual state of affairs., Homard, 23-Jan-13 10:15 AM, #15
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