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1) No area has the same "feel" with regards to exploration at the mid levels as most of the explore areas. About the closest they come are a handful of areas farmed for experience that just happen to be really, really well written by their authors. Having a couple areas that are passable in the 30s but still quite dangerous would be great, especially if there was more to them than just herd-murdering. While there are a couple uncommon and/or secluded places to level up and do a quest or two in the 30s (if you're buff), they just don't have the cool themes and modern mechanics of some of the stuff reserved for the big dogs. Obviously, since a 30s "explore area" would be as simple as walking though Aldevari and burninating everything when you're a hero, the concept falls apart. What might be fun is something akin to the dragon lairs for mid level characters, where the point is more about strategy and tactics than anything else, with a huge XP payout at the end for the "boss mob". Encourage people to band together in the mid levels for more than spamming skills on elves and arial prisoners. (I'm imaging something like the group quests but more involved and with a boss at the end.)

2) Expand the cabal system. There's been discussion on the forums before on the topic. However it might be done, make the cabal system more dynamic with regards to level than, "Bah, send the level 25 guy to retrieve because they don't have a level 25 guy right on. Now lets go do hero stuff, guys."

3) Making prepping, gold gathering, etc. easier. At 51, a lot of builds can get gold and preps pretty quickly: you take down one or two mobs and you've got enough gold for a few skirmishes worth of buyable preps. Again, a couple more mobs and you've got a battle or two worth of limited preps. In the mid levels, at least for me, being "prepped to the teeth" takes a lot more effort because I can't get a lot of the top notch preps and getting gold requires more effort (time). While most people don't bother with this kind of stuff in the mid levels, and it's certainly not necessary fur survival or even to be an effective killer, some people like it. If all the every day chores of being a PK-oriented player weren't (IMHO) more annoying in the mid levels than they are at hero, those players might choose to stay there longer versus moving into their comfort level zone as soon as their skills are perfected and they have a bad ass suit of equipment. I'm not sure I'm actually in favor of this, but (again, to me) it makes sense from the perspective of some players.

4) This is less relevant today, but way back in the glory days of CF when global quests were a little more common, they usually required being a hero to get involved in. The last things like this I remember is when some nasties from Hell were terrorizing Thera a couple years (or so?) back and the heroes pwnt them. While that kind of stuff give massive, global hard-ons in the first place, more times than not its restricted to hero (or close) level characters either because of the danger or just because people (imms and other heroes) tend to pay more attention to heroes than the little guys. Along the same lines as ST and Hell, I'd gladly drop a 1/3 of a con point or more and get my face eaten off my random demon lord from the pits of Hell or a crazed efreeti from the elemental plane of fire. Now dying to a feared swordsman just isn't as cool. More global quests/events in general would be awesome, but ones that are mid level friendly would be great too. Bachelor auctions and emo poetry readings don't count, BTW.

5) Why not... get rid of experience penalties. Yeah, they're there for a reason, but they're probably the greatest deterrent from exploring and PKing (in town!) there is until XP doesn't matter anymore. It would also make leveling more fun, because I think some groups would be more inclined to risk getting ballsy in areas they otherwise wouldn't dare trying to rank in. I can deal with losing 1/3 of a con because I tried to rank on some mobs way too early, it's the XP penalty (ie my limited playing time) that concerns me more.

6) Keep an eye on us. A lot of people blitz through the teens, 20s, and low 30s because they want to avoid a certain kind of player. The rager apps who use magic or the role-less, kill anything neutral guy or the "my-hero-friend-decked-me-out-in-full-midnight-and-hero-weapons" warrior, etc. all tend to disappear to either rage deletion or denial by a certain level range. This of course doesn't mean that douche bags don't hero or that every character sub 30 is a douche bag, only that the sub 30 level range is a sort of breeding ground or vulnerable zone to "griefers" and/or people who either don't have and stick to a role at all, or simply think that their intended role doesn't apply until they're older and in a cabal and on the stage, so to speak.

That's it for now.

  

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HOT Locked TopicRandom topic of discussion: Midlevels [View all] , Daevryn, Tue 18-May-10 08:27 PM
Reply Thread locked for sprawl. Please start sub-topics. (n/..., Valguarnera, 20-May-10 05:37 AM, #177
Reply Low level limited badassery items., Straklaw, 18-May-10 05:35 PM, #162
Reply Just a thought:, Marcus_, 17-May-10 12:43 PM, #154
Reply RE: Just a thought:, Daevryn, 17-May-10 02:09 PM, #163
     Reply I actually like Marcus' idea., sleepy, 17-May-10 02:42 PM, #155
     Reply Hello from Hollywood., Pro, 18-May-10 01:31 AM, #156
     Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Fjarn, 19-May-10 10:08 AM, #166
          Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-May-10 10:23 AM, #168
               Reply Definitely, Valkenar, 19-May-10 10:35 AM, #169
               Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Isildur, 19-May-10 12:38 PM, #170
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Valkenar, 19-May-10 12:56 PM, #171
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Isildur, 19-May-10 01:25 PM, #172
                         Reply Meh, Valkenar, 19-May-10 03:03 PM, #173
                              Reply RE: Meh, Isildur, 19-May-10 03:09 PM, #174
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-May-10 03:11 PM, #175
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, ORB, 18-May-10 08:37 AM, #157
     Reply As a total train whore, Valkenar, 18-May-10 09:29 AM, #158
     Reply Cosign., Dervish, 18-May-10 11:13 AM, #160
     Reply RE: As a total train whore, Isildur, 18-May-10 04:10 PM, #161
          Reply Con trains, Valkenar, 19-May-10 08:00 AM, #165
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, Hutto, 18-May-10 10:57 AM, #159
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, Fjarn, 19-May-10 10:12 AM, #167
          Reply Maybe, Valkenar, 19-May-10 08:34 PM, #176
     Reply Using Marcus' idea but, Abernyte, 19-May-10 06:19 AM, #164
Reply Now that this has cooked for a while, Mekantos, 06-May-10 12:51 PM, #144
Reply RE: Now that this has cooked for a while, Daevryn, 06-May-10 12:53 PM, #145
     Reply FYI, this is up on Announcements now (n/t), Daevryn, 12-May-10 02:27 PM, #153
Reply An imm question related to this topic, Habbs, 04-May-10 01:06 PM, #138
Reply Mostly no:, Daevryn, 04-May-10 01:26 PM, #139
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Straklaw, 26-Apr-10 04:00 AM, #136
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Tyrjal, 25-Apr-10 07:13 PM, #135
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Tsunami, 24-Apr-10 12:30 PM, #132
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Doge, 23-Apr-10 09:49 PM, #130
Reply There used to be no xp cap., trewyn, 23-Apr-10 10:55 PM, #131
     Reply THE XP DYING PENALTY PLEASE, dribbit, 24-Apr-10 08:49 PM, #133
     Reply If you can't find your way out of a strange area, quaff..., DurNominator, 24-Apr-10 11:41 PM, #134
     Reply RE: There used to be no xp cap., Doge, 26-Apr-10 02:23 PM, #137
          Reply But the good thing about seeing -34% tnl, Pendragon_Surtr, 06-May-10 03:19 AM, #141
Reply For me, there is always a tickle in the back of my head..., Habbs, 23-Apr-10 11:48 AM, #129
Reply Adjust XP penalties, adjust ranking areas, adjust where, Amortis, 22-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #125
Reply re: expanded where, Quixotic, 22-Apr-10 12:34 PM, #127
Reply Spell Power Vs. Enhanced Damage, Seilclavin, 20-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #115
Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, Quixotic, 20-Apr-10 11:52 AM, #119
Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, Daevryn, 20-Apr-10 12:23 PM, #120
     Reply You overlooked, Quixotic, 20-Apr-10 12:35 PM, #121
     Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, The Heretic, 07-May-10 09:21 AM, #146
Reply Best way to equalize mages and melee, Doof, 21-Apr-10 11:55 AM, #124
     Reply RE: Best way to equalize mages and melee, wjdenny, 05-May-10 02:16 PM, #140
Reply I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I like mid le..., Cointreau, 20-Apr-10 03:42 AM, #109
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Asthiss, 20-Apr-10 02:40 AM, #108
Reply I disagree., Eskelian, 20-Apr-10 09:14 AM, #113
     Reply RE: I disagree., Asthiss, 21-Apr-10 02:18 AM, #123
Reply RE: My Experience, Tac, 19-Apr-10 07:50 PM, #102
Reply Actually I do have one suggestion...., Tac, 19-Apr-10 08:00 PM, #103
Reply I like these suggestions a lot., ibuki, 20-Apr-10 05:11 AM, #111
Reply Another random thought.... re: scrolls, Tac, 20-Apr-10 02:56 PM, #122
Reply My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:, Valguarnera, 19-Apr-10 06:58 PM, #99
Reply Good post., Zephon, 19-Apr-10 09:22 PM, #105
Reply I pretty much agree with all of this, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 10:51 PM, #106
Reply Shout-out to the IMM staff within., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 11:03 PM, #107
Reply These are great observations. nt, GinGa, 20-Apr-10 03:47 AM, #110
Reply RE: My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:, Cerunnir, 20-Apr-10 08:11 AM, #112
     Reply Not to me, trewyn, 20-Apr-10 09:13 AM, #114
          Reply RE: Not to me, Daevryn, 20-Apr-10 09:55 AM, #116
          Reply She did on Dio's., Dervish, 20-Apr-10 10:41 AM, #118
          Reply RE: Not to me, Cerunnir, 20-Apr-10 10:22 AM, #117
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, GrahamC, 19-Apr-10 05:50 PM, #93
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:16 PM, #96
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Isildur, 19-Apr-10 05:37 PM, #91
Reply do it once do it twice, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:12 PM, #95
     Reply Its the luck factor..., Elerosse, 19-Apr-10 06:29 PM, #97
Reply Perception is a killer, laxman, 19-Apr-10 04:41 PM, #84
Reply Holy crap Mulshine, I totally agree with you for once!, TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 04:43 PM, #85
Reply RE: Perception is a killer, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 05:34 PM, #90
Reply Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better., Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 04:10 PM, #76
Reply RE: Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better., Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:13 PM, #77
Reply RE: Equipment, vargal, 19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #79
Reply I disagree on mage/melee, laxman, 19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #80
     Reply I agree with this., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #86
     Reply RE: I disagree on mage/melee, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 05:09 PM, #88
          Reply again when did you see one try, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:07 PM, #94
               Reply RE: again when did you see one try, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 06:33 PM, #98
Reply A batch of thoughts, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 03:54 PM, #70
Reply Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions, Vortex Magus, 19-Apr-10 03:41 PM, #69
Reply RE: Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:08 PM, #74
Reply Damage scaling, Con gains, and skills, Valkenar, 19-Apr-10 02:15 PM, #55
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 01:01 PM, #37
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:09 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:13 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:19 PM, #47
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:33 PM, #50
     Reply Bards certainly are weak, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 02:26 PM, #60
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 01:23 PM, #48
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:28 PM, #49
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 01:42 PM, #52
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:12 PM, #58
     Reply Here we go, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 01:46 PM, #53
     Reply RE: Here we go, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #56
          Reply Thoughts + ideas., Cerunnir, 19-Apr-10 03:04 PM, #59
               Reply Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 02:31 PM, #61
               Reply RE: Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #63
                    Reply I cant resist to quote you, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 03:01 PM, #65
                         Reply RE: I cant resist to quote you, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 03:21 PM, #67
                              Reply Tell their names at least? nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 04:18 PM, #78
                                   Reply RE: Tell their names at least? nt, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #82
                                   Reply I beat down people with my four path invoker..., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #83
                                        Reply Well, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 04:59 PM, #87
                                             Reply RE: Well, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 07:10 PM, #100
               Reply RE: Here we go, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #62
                    Reply RE: Here we go, Cerunnir, 19-Apr-10 03:16 PM, #66
                    Reply RE: Here we go, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 03:56 PM, #72
                         Reply RE: Here we go, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 05:12 PM, #89
                              Reply Urden, Jahfenar, Ilrahsek, Ikanu., Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 05:39 PM, #92
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 02:17 PM, #54
Reply Things that would make me stay in the mid levels, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 12:55 PM, #35
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Beroxxus, 19-Apr-10 12:54 PM, #34
Reply Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, trewyn, 19-Apr-10 12:48 PM, #31
Reply Cosign on first and last suggestions nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 12:51 PM, #33
Reply I agree with all of these ideas. 110% nt, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 12:57 PM, #36
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:05 PM, #40
Reply Explore early and move is never a problem., thendrell, 19-Apr-10 01:14 PM, #44
Reply Except, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 01:40 PM, #51
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 01:15 PM, #45
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, GrahamC, 19-Apr-10 02:55 PM, #64
     Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 03:24 PM, #68
          Reply <== is king of that., trewyn, 19-Apr-10 07:32 PM, #101
               Reply Ragers do get ####ed. But that's part of being a rager..., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 09:07 PM, #104
Reply RE: movement regen, Zulghinlour, 19-Apr-10 03:59 PM, #73
     Reply RE: movement regen, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:09 PM, #75
     Reply RE: movement regen, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #81
     Reply RE: movement regen, Isildur, 14-May-10 11:29 AM, #151
     Reply RE: movement regen, Hutto, 13-May-10 05:00 PM, #147
          Reply RE: movement regen, Isildur, 14-May-10 11:19 AM, #150
Reply This isn't a possitive but..., Pro, 19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #22
Reply I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the game i..., Pro, 19-Apr-10 12:01 PM, #23
     Reply RE: I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the ga..., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:17 PM, #46
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #21
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:31 PM, #29
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:06 PM, #41
     Reply Damn your logic., thendrell, 19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #57
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Gryshilniar, 06-May-10 12:09 PM, #142
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 06-May-10 12:50 PM, #143
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, A2, 13-May-10 11:45 PM, #148
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 14-May-10 09:00 AM, #149
                         Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, A2, 14-May-10 11:33 AM, #152
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, TJHuron, 19-Apr-10 11:49 AM, #20
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:28 PM, #27
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, TJHuron, 19-Apr-10 01:03 PM, #39
Reply Ideas, Quixotic, 19-Apr-10 11:18 AM, #12
Reply RE: Ideas, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:28 AM, #16
Reply RE: Heralds, Quixotic, 19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Heralds, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 12:49 PM, #32
          Reply RE: Heralds, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 03:53 PM, #71
Reply RE: Ideas, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 11:31 AM, #17
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 11:08 AM, #10
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 11:42 AM, #13
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 22-Apr-10 10:10 AM, #126
          Reply Con Loss., Pro, 22-Apr-10 01:57 PM, #128
Reply Off the cuff., Dallevian, 19-Apr-10 10:55 AM, #8
Reply Last thing would be great to help newbies nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 11:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, ORB, 19-Apr-10 10:48 AM, #7
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 10:56 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:16 AM, #11
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 11:26 AM, #14
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #18
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #24
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:00 PM, #38
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 11:43 AM, #19
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:26 PM, #26
                         Reply Yes, I agree with you. I just pointed out two cases I e..., Dervish, 19-Apr-10 12:29 PM, #28
                              Reply Fair enough n/t, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:33 PM, #30
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 10:30 AM #3
Reply Nothing., Dervish, 19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #2
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, 34-inside, 19-Apr-10 10:20 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 10:34 AM, #4
          Reply Dunno, I never had big problems finding a group, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 10:38 AM, #5
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, 34-inside, 19-Apr-10 10:39 AM, #6
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