Khasotholas | Tue 29-Mar-05 10:16 AM |
Member since 23rd Apr 2003
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#8037, "Harrumph"
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Although I like the idea of subtle changes in general, I'm not thrilled with a good portion of what you propose. I'll tell you why.
- Group 1: Savage Berserkers
This group is open to all those who might currently become battleragers. They enjoy many of the same powers as current Berserkers, but the strength of those powers is reduced somewhat. With this reduction in strength, Savage Berserkers are free to gank at will and, in fact, are encouraged to do so since they are fueled by their hatred for magic. In war, these are the first individuals in and they are expected to leave a swath of destruction and mangled corpses. They are entirely disinterested in tactics or the art of war. They are simply looking for things to sink their axe into.
Powers Spellbane Truesight Deathblow Bloodthirst (old school, without the battle fatigue) Trophy Resistance
First you say reduced powers, yet you indicate you want Bloodthirst without the battle fatigue. Battle fatigue is the largest drawback to one of the most deadly cabal powers in the game. I'm not in favor of anything that encourages ragers to gang like crazy, either.
- Group 2: Champions of Combat
This group is also open to all those who might currently become battleragers. These are the so-called "greatest warriors of Thera." They are above the savagery of the Savage Berserkers, relying moreso on a higher understanding of tactics and the art of war. Through intense dedication to improvement of combat technique they have honed their skills to an unprecedented level. They are not fueled by a hatred for magic, but rather for the strict belief in self-reliance, pride, and courage. As such, they strive towards maintaining parity in combat, considering their personal integrity and honor above all else. This group enjoys powers much different than the Savage Berserkers. I can see this group getting a form of Imperial Training (and maybe the Blade Sect getting a different power instead). They might also get an improved (perhaps automatic) critical hit, a sort of minor-fly that would protect them against tripping, lashing, legsweeping, etc. (based upon their dexterity and dodging capabilities), and Fortress of Courage. Fortress of Courage would entail exponential improvements in combat prowess based upon the number of opponents. Basically the Champion of Combat would be adept at using the chaos of combat, the terrain, etc. to hinder his opponents. Maybe he dodges at just the right moment causing the weapons of his foes to become entangled (possibly disarming one or more of them), or ducks behind an opponent at just the right moment leading opponentA to strike at opponentB, etc.
Powers Enhanced spell evasion Minor-fly power Enhanced critical hit Truesight Imperial training-like power Fortress of Courage Truesight
Enhanced spell evasion and critical hit? Do you have any idea how powerful those powers really are in the right hands? I'm not in favor of moving Imperial training. It's an Imperial power.
- Group 3: Zealots of War
This group is open to the priest classes. The formation of this group would be made so much cooler if there was a god that was angered by the "theft" of magic from the gods. Anyways, the Zealots of War consist of those priests who have as their goal returning magic to its rightful owners (the gods). They are indifferent as to parity in combat and are free to join the Savage Berserkers in ganking folk down if they so choose. The caveat, however, is that communing on non-Zealots is not allowed. Obviously, Zealots of War enjoy different powers than either of the two groups above.
1) Fortification of Faith - This power allows Zealots of War to absorb some of the strength of the spells aimed at them. The amount absorbed varies on a number of variables. Once they are satisfied with the amount they have absorbed they can unleash it back at the mage in the form of a mental knife and they can do this at any time, even if the mage escapes to a new area (effectiveness decreases the further away the mage is)
2) Spiritual Siphon - A mana-only energy drain that has a SLIGHT chance at completely cutting an individual off from their mana source if it's used to open combat. If it's used to open combat Spiritual Siphon cannot be used again for several ticks.
3) Righteous Assault - Zealots of War get additional strikes with their weapons that non-Zealot priests would not due to their close companionship with true warriors. Think of it like having 33 - 50% in third attack.
Clerical classes in Battle are possible. They've been done before. I once spent a few weeks creating numerous powers and skills for clerics in Battle. At some point, I might revisit them.
Right now I think the Scout/Defender/Berserker trio works well, but, quite frankly, in general they aren't played as Scouts, Defenders and Berserkers. 95% of villagers fight and play the exact same way, regardless of what portion of the village they were inducted into. That's something for Battle leadership, both mortal, and immortal to deal with, however.
Khas
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Complete Battle Revamp: My Most Controversial Idea Thus...
[View all] , Wilhath, Mon 28-Mar-05 10:32 PM
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) A last word on this,
Khasotholas,
01-Apr-05 09:09 AM, #38
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Thanks big guy,
Wilhath,
01-Apr-05 09:31 AM, #39
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Woot Khasotholas!,
Straklaw,
01-Apr-05 11:26 AM, #40
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Soooo....,
Mekantos,
31-Mar-05 12:08 PM, #31
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Stop crying already...,
ORB,
31-Mar-05 07:50 AM, #28
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Make deathblow more powerful against gangs,
Theerkla,
31-Mar-05 11:29 AM, #30
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Re: Battle Revamp & replies,
NNNick,
31-Mar-05 03:42 AM, #27
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) One point:,
nepenthe ,
31-Mar-05 08:34 AM, #29
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: One point:,
NNNick,
31-Mar-05 02:01 PM, #32
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: One point:,
(NOT Graatch),
31-Mar-05 02:17 PM, #33
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: One point:,
Evil Genius (Anonymous),
01-Apr-05 07:40 AM, #37
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Small update,
NNNick,
01-Apr-05 11:58 AM, #41
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) How about this Immortals....,
NewTrapper,
29-Mar-05 07:50 PM, #22
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) wow,
incognito,
29-Mar-05 08:00 PM, #23
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: wow,
Valkenar,
30-Mar-05 10:47 AM, #24
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) if you read his post,
incognito,
30-Mar-05 11:38 AM, #25
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Complete Battle Revamp: My Most Controversial Idea ...,
Aarn,
29-Mar-05 02:49 PM, #15
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Complete Battle Revamp: My Most Controversial Idea ...,
Gaenlin,
29-Mar-05 02:22 PM, #13
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Complete Battle Revamp: My Most Controversial Idea ...,
nepenthe ,
29-Mar-05 02:30 PM, #14
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: The tweaking process.,
Valguarnera ,
29-Mar-05 02:53 PM, #16
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) rock paper scissors on crack,
Tahren,
29-Mar-05 03:00 PM, #17
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Duh,
Dwoggurd,
29-Mar-05 10:43 AM, #5
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Echo,
Evil Genius (Anonymous),
29-Mar-05 11:36 AM, #6
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Harrumph,
Khasotholas,
29-Mar-05 10:16 AM #4
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: Harrumph,
Tahren,
29-Mar-05 11:59 AM, #7
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Harrumph,
Evil Genius (Anonymous),
29-Mar-05 12:01 PM, #8
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Harrumph,
Tahren,
29-Mar-05 03:17 PM, #18
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Harrumph,
Evil Genius (Anonymous),
29-Mar-05 04:03 PM, #19
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I've actually always thought a druid could have a solid...,
(NOT Graatch),
29-Mar-05 04:34 PM, #20
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I don't think we disagree here,
Tahren,
29-Mar-05 06:16 PM, #21
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) So how about answer when Morts of battle have questions,
Drag0nSt0rm,
29-Mar-05 12:35 PM, #9
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I didn't post this expecting "something to be done",
Wilhath,
29-Mar-05 12:48 PM, #10
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Don't kid yourself,
Drag0nSt0rm,
29-Mar-05 01:02 PM, #11
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Don't kid yourself,
nepenthe ,
29-Mar-05 01:56 PM, #12
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Well,
Drag0nSt0rm,
30-Mar-05 12:44 PM, #26
![](./images/mesg_level.gif) a few things I'd think need addressing,
incognito,
29-Mar-05 05:55 AM, #2
![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: a few things I'd think need addressing,
Wilhath,
29-Mar-05 08:58 AM, #3
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I like the general concept, change is good. n/t,
rulanit,
29-Mar-05 04:44 AM, #1
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) By the hairs on me stinkin' arse...,
HammerSong ,
31-Mar-05 02:36 PM, #34
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Hairs aside...,
Khasotholas,
31-Mar-05 02:56 PM, #35
![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Hairs aside...,
HammerSong ,
31-Mar-05 03:19 PM, #36
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