To be honest with you guys I played two Rangers to hero and all I wanted to get was the Expert Herbalist edge to see how the cure poison worked. Well I did not try and farm the early edge points for OBS and Exploration and did not manage to get the edge. Perhaps I should have not chosen the envenomed arrows edge, which I chose because I had herbs at 100% but could not even chose the Herbalist edge, stupidly thinking a mariner might not be able to be an expert herbalist. So this time around playing a non ranger I thought I had better give it a go, so I logged in my level 19 non with the sole idea of trying to get some Observation and Exploration experience. No intention of grouping, ranking, or skill learning. I went to the hamsah docks, looked at all the people there, the things I could see in the dock masters room etc, then went to outlying villages for a quick look around there. I also did travel around a bit looking for items I could trade for coins. All in all I spent my hour long session with not interacting with anyone and all I got was 50 Exploration points and 50 Commerce points. I would have rather spent my time having fun with other players than trying to find elusive edge points. I dont know how you guys do it. I do not want to farm edge points and I am not playing a Assassin, and never have. But when you see the Master Throw edge being used in low levels to kick butt it makes me think I have to get edge points at low levels to see if I can get an edge at low levels. One if my last characters Jemald, I had awesome fun as usual, and did not even discuss with the guild master until I got to near hero, as I wanted to chose an edge late in life when the low exp penalty might give me good edge points. Thats how I usually play, not bothering about edge points.